New map of haplogroup J2 (Y-DNA)

Yaan said:
R1a and R1b are different lines, while J2a and J2b are different sublines of the same line, all J2b people are also J2 so are all J2a people :)
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You're getting owned here by 3 posters.
 
Fatherland said:
You're getting owned here by 3 posters.
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No basically all 3 of them disagreed with the ideas of Maciamo( and all Geneticists) and insulted his work, apparently these people know nothing about Genetics.

I wonder if Maciamo will ban them for making fun with his ideas. I personally agree with him on J2 , and learn once and for all this is not TA and nobody cares about Albanian or Croat nationalism or any kind of nationalism here, so guys how do you fell being owned by me ;)
 
Daggo said:
Being of 100% North-western European (Saxon/Dutch, possibly British, along with Danish) stock, the fact that my haplogroup is so uncommon that far north intrigues me. I expected to be R1a or b, not like J2.
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A lot of North West Europeans are J2, some clades of J2a coming from Roman or Jewish or Celtic people , some J2b2 clades coming from a lot of sources, you guys here need to learn that your direct male line is not what defines who you are :) Maybe 80% of the man in your family from the down of time are R1b , but the rest could be everything , it changes nothing and it means nothing in terms of self identification :)

Congrats on your cool and not common in your part of the world male line :)

There is J2 from early middle ages ( 1 a and 1 b I think) from The Netherlands :) Here some guys said that the people were Avar mercenaries or something, but it could come from a lot of sources in NL :)
 
Yaan said:
No basically all 3 of them disagreed with the ideas of Maciamo( and all Geneticists) and insulted his work, apparently these people know nothing about Genetics.

I wonder if Maciamo will ban them for making fun with his ideas. I personally agree with him on J2 , and learn once and for all this is not TA and nobody cares about Albanian or Croat nationalism or any kind of nationalism here, so guys how do you fell being owned by me ;)
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You obviously don't understand what you read no matter who writes it.
 
Daggo said:
Being of 100% North-western European (Saxon/Dutch, possibly British, along with Danish) stock, the fact that my haplogroup is so uncommon that far north intrigues me. I expected to be R1a or b, not like J2.
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I am not sure,
but I think they found j2b in Netherlands in Roman tombs
 
Angela said:
You obviously don't understand what you read no matter who writes it.
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J2a and J2b are both just part of the line J2, while R1a and R1b are different lines, look at the map here, why do you not agree with me, Maciamo and all Genetics, please do elaborate :)
 
Yetos said:
I am not sure,
but I think they found j2b in Netherlands in Roman tombs
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Yes and also J2a I think :) They were most likely mercenaries :)
 
Yaan said:
You obviously lack the knowledge, but maybe one day you will learn :) I wish you luck :)

J2a and J2b are both just part of the line J2, while R1a and R1b are different lines, look at the map here, why do you not agree with me, Maciamo and all Genetics, please do elaborate :)
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What don't you comprehend here? Y phylogenies bifurcate all along the line.

Yes, J2a and J2b are both "sublines" of J2.

https://www.eupedia.com/genetics/phylogenetic_trees_Y-DNA_haplogroups.shtml#J2

And J1 and J2 are both sublines of J.
"http://www.jogg.info/pages/51/files/Logan3_files/image006.jpg

R1a and R1b don't have any special status. They are sublines of R1, and R1 and R2 are sublines of R.
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[TD="align: center"] M173 (R1)

[TD="align: center"] M207 (R) [/TD]

[TD="align: center"] M420 (R1a)

[TD="align: center"] M124 (R2a)

[TD="align: center"]M459

[TD="align: center"]L278
(R1a1)
(R1a*)

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[TD="align: center"] M343 (R1b) [/TD]
(R1b1)
(R1b*)

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[TD="align: center"] M479 (R2) [/TD]

[TD="align: center"]L263
(R2*)
(R2a1)
(R2a2)
(R2a3)

[TD="align: center"][/TD]

[TD="align: center"]F1092[/TD]

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[TD="align: center"]Y12100[/TD]

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_R_(Y-DNA)


Phylogeny of the y male chromosome:
https://images.nature.com/full/nature-assets/nrg/journal/v4/n8/images/nrg1124-f3.gif

Do you see the branching all along the line? Get it?

If you want to say that R1b and R1a split before J2a and J2b split then look up the dates and compare, not that I see what that would prove, because in any case it's thousands of years ago.

Before posting further please pick up and read some introductory material on the y chromosome.
 
Angela said:
What don't you comprehend here? Y phylogenies bifurcate all along the line.

Yes, J2a and J2b are both "sublines" of J2a.

https://www.eupedia.com/genetics/phylogenetic_trees_Y-DNA_haplogroups.shtml#J2

And J1 and J2 are both sublines of J.
"http://www.jogg.info/pages/51/files/Logan3_files/image006.jpg

Likewise, R1a and R1b are sublines of R1, and R1 and R2 are sublines of R.
"

[TD="align: center"] M173 (R1)

[TD="align: center"] M207 (R) [/TD]

[TD="align: center"] M420 (R1a)

[TD="align: center"] M124 (R2a)

[TD="align: center"]M459

[TD="align: center"]L278
(R1a1)
(R1a*)

[TD="align: center"][/TD]

[TD="align: center"][/TD]

[TD="align: center"][/TD]
[/TD]

[TD="align: center"][/TD]

[TD="align: center"] M343 (R1b) [/TD]
(R1b1)
(R1b*)

[TD="align: center"][/TD]

[TD="align: center"][/TD]

[TD="align: center"][/TD]
[/TD]

[TD="align: center"][/TD]
[/TD]

[TD="align: center"][/TD]

[TD="align: center"] M479 (R2) [/TD]

[TD="align: center"]L263
(R2*)
(R2a1)
(R2a2)
(R2a3)

[TD="align: center"][/TD]

[TD="align: center"]F1092[/TD]

[TD="align: center"][/TD]

[TD="align: center"]Y12100[/TD]

[TD="align: center"][/TD]
[/TD]

[TD="align: center"][/TD]

[TD="align: center"][/TD]
[/TD]
[/TD]
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_R_(Y-DNA)

Phylogeny of the y male chromosome:
https://images.nature.com/full/nature-assets/nrg/journal/v4/n8/images/nrg1124-f3.gif

Get it?

If you want to say that R1b and R1a split before J2a and J2b split then look up the dates and compare, not that I see what that would prove, because in any case it's thousands of years ago.

Before posting further please pick up and read some introductory material on the y chromosome.
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J2a and J2b are not both subclades of J2a, could you please read what you have written ....

Maciamo would you please educate this people

I have not said anything about which spilt when
 
There is J2, R1a and R1b, nobody is speaking about R1
 
It was a typo, already corrected. You jumped the gun. Had you bothered to click the link you would have seen I specifically linked to the eupedia article.

"Yes, J2a and J2b are both "sublines" of J2."

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phylogenetic_trees_Y-DNA_haplogroups.shtml

R1a and R1b also split from a common ancestor: R1. Look at the damn links to the y phylogeny. R1a and R1b are not "more" separate lines than J2 or J2a or J2b are. They're all separate lines.

You seem to have a problem with logic and with that I can't help you.
 
Yaan said:
A lot of North West Europeans are J2, some clades of J2a coming from Roman or Jewish or Celtic people , some J2b2 clades coming from a lot of sources, you guys here need to learn that your direct male line is not what defines who you are :) Maybe 80% of the man in your family from the down of time are R1b , but the rest could be everything , it changes nothing and it means nothing in terms of self identification :)

Congrats on your cool and not common in your part of the world male line :)

There is J2 from early middle ages ( 1 a and 1 b I think) from The Netherlands :) Here some guys said that the people were Avar mercenaries or something, but it could come from a lot of sources in NL :)
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I wasn't implying that my Y-DNA determined who I was, I'm well aware that it's only your direct male lineage and not your heritage as a whole, I just said I found it interesting.
 
Yaan said:
There is J2, R1a and R1b, nobody is speaking about R1
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Actually J2a and J2b seem less related to each other in terms of their distribution than R1a and R1b, where you see one (R1b) dominating the west while R1a the East.

The distribution of J2a and J2b is more "random" in comparison to each other and especially that of J2b alone.

Not that it really matters but since you consider the J2 a more tight family, perhaps you should do more research on their rebellious kids. ;)
 
J2 splits into J2a-M410 and J2b-M102 some 27,700 years ago: https://www.yfull.com/tree/J2/

While R1 splits into R1a and R1b some 22,800 years ago, see here: https://www.yfull.com/tree/R1/

So to the contrary of what Yaan claims. In actuality the split of J2 into J2a and J2b is older than the split of R1 into R1a and R1b. (Or perhaps he doesn't understand simple phylogeny, that R1 is the ancestor of R1a and R1b, just like J2 is the ancestor of J2a and J2b).
 
Trojet said:
J2 splits into J2a-M410 and J2b-M102 some 27,700 years ago: https://www.yfull.com/tree/J2/

While R1 splits into R1a and R1b some 22,800 years ago, see here: https://www.yfull.com/tree/R1/

So to the contrary of what Yaan claims. In actuality the split of J2 into J2a and J2b is older than the split of R1 into R1a and R1b. (Or perhaps he doesn't understand simple phylogeny, that R1 is the ancestor of R1a and R1b, just like J2 is the ancestor of J2a and J2b).
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So you all guys spit on Maciamo and serious Genetics why?
 
Yaan said:
So you all guys spit on Maciamo and serious Genetics why?
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I thought perhaps we are all being stubborn and not really listening to what you're saying, so I went and I checked what Maciamo wrote on J2. I still don't get your point.

I guess you'd have to provide a paragraph written by him or geneticists.
 
Nik said:
I thought perhaps we are all being stubborn and not really listening to what you're saying, so I went and I checked what Maciamo wrote on J2. I still don't get your point.

I guess you'd have to provide a paragraph written by him or geneticists.
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Yes exactly :) I am saying that there is a Haplogroup called J2, which has 2 major subtypes J2a and J2b, while the guys here say- No it is stupid, actually there is no Haplogroup J2, there is one Called J2a and a different one called J2b :)
 
Yaan said:
Yes exactly :) I am saying that there is a Haplogroup called J2, which has 2 major subtypes J2a and J2b, while the guys here say- No it is stupid, actually there is no Haplogroup J2, there is one Called J2a and a different one called J2b :)
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No one here has said that there is no haplogroup J2.

Forget it, this is pointless.

My advice to other members: ignore these posts.
 
Angela said:
No one here has said that there is no haplogroup J2.

Forget it, this is pointless.

My advice to other members: ignore these posts.
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Please never ever write to me, I am here to discuss with people who are interested in genetics.
 
Buddy, you don't control who responds to content on this site. As for genetics, your lack of knowledge is proved by the absolute gibberish you're posting. Nor, it seems, are you capable of reading comprehension beyond the elementary school level, at least not in English. Take up another hobby and stop wasting everyone's time with uninformed nonsense.
 
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