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New map of mtDNA haplogroup L

Drac II said:
Yes, correct, but the place where it originated was East Africa. It reached all those other places later, as early humans started to migrate to other parts of the world out of Africa, as well as possibly later migrations/invasions/slavery.
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East Africa then.. Ethiopia?

I wasn't trying to say that Etruscans carried L mtDNA, but that it might be brought to Italy that way. Ethiopians might have mixed with people from Anatolia. There are many different ways it could be brought to Italy, I suppose (during Roman empire for instance)
 
Nobody1 said:
Apart from unusual Spain and Portugal - who have levels of mtDNA L as 18.2% (Alvarez et al 2010) and 22.0% (Pereira et al 2010) and other such high figures [page1 - post#19 / post#11] not found anywhere else in Europe - might also want to take note of the Eupedia map on page 1 and the data used for it;

For 22% and 18% are higher (basic math) than the 1.9% Tuscany (2.6% Volterra);

PS: The other "Celt"-Iberians (Knovas especially) might find your slander and assertions towards Angela very "helpful" and awesome, but i think its not very nice;
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I know you are just a tro11, but in case somebody is reading your crap...the 18% is not for Spain but for a small municipality with a popoulation of only a few thousand people,..You can't compare that with an entire region like Tuscany, it's laughable your manipulation and distortion of reality.
And In the case of Alcacer Do Sal (22%) it's a municipality whose history is well known and well documented for being an transatlantic slave town, in other words, they are not fully ethnic portuguese but descendants of Slaves.
 
Angela said:
What a boorish, vulgar and completely ignorant response...Are you capable of processing academic information?

As to "the trouble on these websites", I don't know anything about it, because I don't frequent skinhead, racist sites, some of which were started by people whom I am informed are now thankfully behind bars. I didn't even know that they existed until recently. Now that I know about them, I am more than happy to donate some of my time to seeing them permanently put out of business, and I mean "ALL" of them.

This is the only "genetics" website which I frequent, other than anthrogenica, and I'm embarrassed even about that, given that my office administrator has banned this as a racist site as well, probably partly because of the bilge posted by you and your friends. I assure you that reading the few threads in which I am interested takes very little time...in your case, perhaps a speed reading course might be in order. Of course, reading and understanding population genetics research papers is another matter, but you obviously have no experience with that...

As for my private life situation, it's none of your business, but let's just say that through years of very hard work and whatever gifts I possess, I have earned my leisure. If, as I think I remember, you claim to be from Canada, you have no excuse not to do the same.

For the record, I am half Tuscan/eastern Ligurian, and extraordinarily proud of my people...without us, the world would be a much poorer place in every conceivable way, as it would be without Italians as a whole. Obviously, you must have been spawned by some group which we had neither the time nor the inclination to civilize, however imperfectly.

And please, to adopt a Roman name for these sites and then spout the bilge and filth that you do is an abomination. I sincerely hope you're young and unemployed and living in your mother's basement...for a grown man to engage in these childish games is ridiculous.
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You call me VULGAR?

According to your gentle self I have been spawned and I spout filth.

It is obvious how have never been exposed to any form of higher education and you are the racist.

So in your view the world owes much to Italians when Italy as a modern nation only dates to 1861 (thanks to French and British assistance).
 
Aberdeen said:
When you attack respected forum members such as Angela and Nobody1 because you don't like data they've published, I don't think it helps your credibility. And why do Iberians have a problem with the fact that they have a small but significant amount of "African" DNA? Why is that a problem for you? At the end of the day, all modern humans are very close cousins.
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It's because some idiots bring nationality issues into these forums, when they fail to realise that all modern Europeans started life as non-europeans. The oldest and original europeans where neanderthals
 
Drac II said:
Nobody1 is a troublemaker with high pretensions of being something of an "expert" (which he is plainly not) and with a very transparent agenda, nothing else, and has been so since the very start, his very firsts posts in these forums were in fact attempted manipulations and "spins" on this very subject of "African" DNA in Europe, something which very obviously immensely bothers him as long as the words "Africa" and "Italy" pop up in the same context ("coincidentally" so was the permanently banned "Wormhole", an Italian claiming to be Canadian.) Notice that the Tuscan user was not saying anything about Iberia or Iberians and was only wondering who brought these genetic markers to Italy, more specifically to Tuscany. But your pal Nobody1 just couldn't keep away from always trying to point fingers at "Iberians" and coming up with lies (like telling this user that his ancestry might be from Iberia supposedly to "explain" why he scores positive, as if no 100% native Italian could do so) and manipulations. His usual game.

My posts here about mtDNA L in Italy were simply in answer to those Nobody1, the usual manipulator/Spin-Doctor when it comes to this topic since way back when. So don't act so surprised.

Regarding your other complaints: as Vallicanus pointed out, you and some other Italian/Italian-descended users here are not really in any position to be criticizing other people in these forums since your behavior is not always the most exceptional either, and it is usually you who throw stones first, not the other way around. Do you want me to quote and post links to some of your provoking posts directed at Iberians in other threads to remind you of this fact?
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who are these "some other Italian/Italian-descended users" ? I am very interested in your groupings of people based on nationality/descended nationality
 
Drac II said:
You should be directing that query to the "respected forum members" whose behavior you are trying to condone. It seems it's them and some other Italians who are immensely bothered by the fact that they too "have a small but significant amount of African DNA".
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Before pointing the finger, you should reveal who you are, everything is hidden away.........ethnicity, genetics etc ................what are you ashamed of ?
 
Drac II said:
I know, I never said that user was Italian.
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You confused people on targeting Italians when the person was portuguese/brazilian, why ?
 
Drac II said:
See posts #4, #6 and #13. There is no valid excuse to leave out perfectly legitimate studies just because they don't say what some people want to hear or do not go along with whatever incorrect assumptions they may have (one particularly interesting one implied here was that the only way any study on mtDNA in Spain could result in 0% regarding L markers in any given area might be by using exclusively samples from the Basque region; totally incorrect assumption.)
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Your missing the point......we all know L1, L2, L3 has origins in Africa.....N has origins in the caucasus etc .............but this is only origins and not where it only resided for thousands of year.
I like to see what L3 she is

I read recently that mutations occur on average every 4000 years, back or forward and that geographical changes ie migrations speeds up this mutation process initially before it subsides to "normality"
 
fla88 said:
East Africa then.. Ethiopia?

I wasn't trying to say that Etruscans carried L mtDNA, but that it might be brought to Italy that way. Ethiopians might have mixed with people from Anatolia. There are many different ways it could be brought to Italy, I suppose (during Roman empire for instance)
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Who did you test with? ...if it was 23andme, it would show your mutations from original to present, if not

use haplogrep...........they use the new tree#16

http://haplogrep.uibk.ac.at/index.html
 
fla88 said:
23anMe yes. You mean the list of mutations in "ancestry tools"?
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yes

this

haplogroup Mutation mapper

and


Global Similarity Map


Countries of Ancestry
 
Wilhelm said:
I know you are just a tro11, but in case somebody is reading your crap...the 18% is not for Spain but for a small municipality with a popoulation of only a few thousand people,..You can't compare that with an entire region like Tuscany, it's laughable your manipulation and distortion of reality.
And In the case of Alcacer Do Sal (22%) it's a municipality whose history is well known and well documented for being an transatlantic slave town, in other words, they are not fully ethnic portuguese but descendants of Slaves.
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Lol, LebRok (as usual) has sent me an "infraction" for the above message because to him "i'm insulting".
 
fla88 said:
23anMe yes. You mean the list of mutations in "ancestry tools"?
My mtDNA is L3f1b
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I have a French distant cousin (relative finder) who belongs exactly to the same line. Seems quite old in Europe, I'd say at least since the Roman period.
 
Knovas said:
I have a French distant cousin (relative finder) who belongs exactly to the same line. Seems quite old in Europe, I'd say at least since the Roman period.
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too date there does not seem to be many L3f1b..........according to data from torroni, behar and logan, from what I seen, there is about 95% in Europe, 1 in Dominican republic, 1 in Ethiopia and 1 in Tanzania

Haplogroups L2a1, L3f1b, L3b, and L1b are the most
frequent (over 3%) sub-Saharan haplogroups in Libyans.
Haplogroup L2a1 is common and apparently scattered
throughout Africa (Salas et al., 2002), and therefore its
geographical origin is difficult to assess. However, L1b,
L3b, and L3f1b have more restricted locations in Africa.
These haplogroups, together with other minor lineages
in Libya such as L2b, L2c, L3d, and L3e have a typical
Western Africa distribution (Salas et al., 2002; Harich
et al., 2010). Nonetheless, other minor lineages present
in Libya such as L0a, L3h, and L3x are more frequent in
Eastern Africa. Such haplogroup frequency distribution
suggests a predominantly Western origin of L lineages in
Libya with some minor admixture of Eastern lineages.


do tell me the etruscan-libyan connection will raise its head again from 20 years ago?!
 
Sile said:
yes

this

haplogroup Mutation mapper

and


Global Similarity Map


Countries of Ancestry
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after clicking on haplogroup mutation mapper, and then "get information for a person's haplogroup" , this list appears:

[TABLE="class: mutation_information"]
[TR]
[TD="class: mut_header, colspan: 4"]L3f1b defining mutations[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: subheader"]
[TD]variant[/TD]
[TD]call[/TD]
[TD]rCRS[/TD]
[TD="class: lefted"]anc[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR="class: i3002025"]
[TD]i3002025[/TD]
[TD="class: my_call lefted"][/TD]
[TD="class: lefted"]189[/TD]
[TD="class: crs_call lefted"]A[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: i3002034"]
[TD]i3002034 [/TD]
[TD="class: my_call lefted"]G[/TD]
[TD="class: lefted"]189[/TD]
[TD="class: crs_call lefted"]A[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: i3001999"]
[TD]i3001999 [/TD]
[TD="class: my_call lefted"]C[/TD]
[TD="class: lefted"]1822[/TD]
[TD="class: crs_call lefted"]T[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: i3000737"]
[TD]i3000737[/TD]
[TD="class: my_call lefted"][/TD]
[TD="class: lefted"]8527[/TD]
[TD="class: crs_call lefted"]A[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: i3000790"]
[TD]i3000790 [/TD]
[TD="class: my_call lefted"]T[/TD]
[TD="class: lefted"]8932[/TD]
[TD="class: crs_call lefted"]C[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: i3001017"]
[TD]i3001017 [/TD]
[TD="class: my_call lefted"]A[/TD]
[TD="class: lefted"]11440[/TD]
[TD="class: crs_call lefted"]G[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: i5050027"]
[TD]i5050027 [/TD]
[TD="class: my_call lefted"]A[/TD]
[TD="class: lefted"]11440[/TD]
[TD="class: crs_call lefted"]G[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: i3001319"]
[TD]i3001319[/TD]
[TD="class: my_call lefted"][/TD]
[TD="class: lefted"]14769[/TD]
[TD="class: crs_call lefted"]A[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: i3001320"]
[TD]i3001320 [/TD]
[TD="class: my_call lefted"][/TD]
[TD="class: lefted"]14769[/TD]
[TD="class: crs_call lefted"]A[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: i3002605"]
[TD]i3002605[/TD]
[TD="class: my_call lefted"][/TD]
[TD="class: lefted"]14769[/TD]
[TD="class: crs_call lefted"]A[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: rs28357679"]
[TD]rs28357679[/TD]
[TD="class: my_call lefted"][/TD]
[TD="class: lefted"]14769[/TD]
[TD="class: crs_call lefted"]A[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: i5049767"]
[TD]i5049767[/TD]
[TD="class: my_call lefted"][/TD]
[TD="class: lefted"]14769[/TD]
[TD="class: crs_call lefted"]A[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: i3001802"]
[TD]i3001802[/TD]
[TD="class: my_call lefted"][/TD]
[TD="class: lefted"]16292[/TD]
[TD="class: crs_call lefted"]C[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: i3001803"]
[TD]i3001803[/TD]
[TD="class: my_call lefted"][/TD]
[TD="class: lefted"]16292[/TD]
[TD="class: crs_call lefted"]C[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: i3001804"]
[TD]i3001804 [/TD]
[TD="class: my_call lefted"]T[/TD]
[TD="class: lefted"]16292[/TD]
[TD="class: crs_call lefted"]C[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: mut_header, colspan: 4"]L3f1 defining mutations[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: subheader"]
[TD]variant[/TD]
[TD]call[/TD]
[TD]rCRS[/TD]
[TD="class: lefted"]anc[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR="class: i3002257"]
[TD]i3002257 [/TD]
[TD="class: my_call lefted"]T[/TD]
[TD="class: lefted"]5601[/TD]
[TD="class: crs_call lefted"]C[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: rs3134801"]
[TD]rs3134801 [/TD]
[TD="class: my_call lefted"]C[/TD]
[TD="class: lefted"]9950[/TD]
[TD="class: crs_call lefted"]T[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: i5049954"]
[TD]i5049954 [/TD]
[TD="class: my_call lefted"]C[/TD]
[TD="class: lefted"]9950[/TD]
[TD="class: crs_call lefted"]T[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: mut_header, colspan: 4"]L3f defining mutations[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: subheader"]
[TD]variant[/TD]
[TD]call[/TD]
[TD]rCRS[/TD]
[TD="class: lefted"]anc[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR="class: i3002071"]
[TD]i3002071 [/TD]
[TD="class: my_call lefted"]C[/TD]
[TD="class: lefted"]3396[/TD]
[TD="class: crs_call lefted"]T[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: i5049769"]
[TD]i5049769 [/TD]
[TD="class: my_call lefted"]C[/TD]
[TD="class: lefted"]3396[/TD]
[TD="class: crs_call lefted"]T[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: i4000907"]
[TD]i4000907 [/TD]
[TD="class: my_call lefted"]C[/TD]
[TD="class: lefted"]4218[/TD]
[TD="class: crs_call lefted"]T[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: i3001392"]
[TD]i3001392 [/TD]
[TD="class: my_call lefted"]C[/TD]
[TD="class: lefted"]15514[/TD]
[TD="class: crs_call lefted"]T[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: i5049953"]
[TD]i5049953[/TD]
[TD="class: my_call lefted"][/TD]
[TD="class: lefted"]15514[/TD]
[TD="class: crs_call lefted"]T[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: i4001054"]
[TD]i4001054 [/TD]
[TD="class: my_call lefted"]C[/TD]
[TD="class: lefted"]16209[/TD]
[TD="class: crs_call lefted"]T[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: mut_header, colspan: 4"]L3b'f defining mutations[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: subheader"]
[TD]variant[/TD]
[TD]call[/TD]
[TD]rCRS[/TD]
[TD="class: lefted"]anc[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: mut_header, colspan: 4"]L3 defining mutations[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: subheader"]
[TD]variant[/TD]
[TD]call[/TD]
[TD]rCRS[/TD]
[TD="class: lefted"]anc[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR="class: rs2853519"]
[TD]rs2853519 [/TD]
[TD="class: my_call lefted"]G[/TD]
[TD="class: lefted"]769[/TD]
[TD="class: crs_call lefted"]G[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: i3001949"]
[TD]i3001949 [/TD]
[TD="class: my_call lefted"]G[/TD]
[TD="class: lefted"]769[/TD]
[TD="class: crs_call lefted"]G[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: i5049944"]
[TD]i5049944[/TD]
[TD="class: my_call lefted"][/TD]
[TD="class: lefted"]769[/TD]
[TD="class: crs_call lefted"]G[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: rs2856982"]
[TD]rs2856982[/TD]
[TD="class: my_call lefted"][/TD]
[TD="class: lefted"]1018[/TD]
[TD="class: crs_call lefted"]G[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: i3001452"]
[TD]i3001452 [/TD]
[TD="class: my_call lefted"]G[/TD]
[TD="class: lefted"]1018[/TD]
[TD="class: crs_call lefted"]G[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: mut_header, colspan: 4"]L3'4 defining mutations[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: subheader"]
[TD]variant[/TD]
[TD]call[/TD]
[TD]rCRS[/TD]
[TD="class: lefted"]anc[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR="class: rs41473347"]
[TD]rs41473347[/TD]
[TD="class: my_call lefted"][/TD]
[TD="class: lefted"]182[/TD]
[TD="class: crs_call lefted"]C[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: i3001445"]
[TD]i3001445[/TD]
[TD="class: my_call lefted"][/TD]
[TD="class: lefted"]182[/TD]
[TD="class: crs_call lefted"]C[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: rs2854134"]
[TD]rs2854134 [/TD]
[TD="class: my_call lefted"]C[/TD]
[TD="class: lefted"]3594[/TD]
[TD="class: crs_call lefted"]C[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: rs28625947"]
[TD]rs28625947 [/TD]
[TD="class: my_call lefted"]C[/TD]
[TD="class: lefted"]7256[/TD]
[TD="class: crs_call lefted"]C[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: rs2854123"]
[TD]rs2854123 [/TD]
[TD="class: my_call lefted"]C[/TD]
[TD="class: lefted"]13650[/TD]
[TD="class: crs_call lefted"]C[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: i5049924"]
[TD]i5049924[/TD]
[TD="class: my_call lefted"][/TD]
[TD="class: lefted"]13650[/TD]
[TD="class: crs_call lefted"]C[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: rs41458645"]
[TD]rs41458645[/TD]
[TD="class: my_call lefted"][/TD]
[TD="class: lefted"]16278[/TD]
[TD="class: crs_call lefted"]C[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: i3001790"]
[TD]i3001790 [/TD]
[TD="class: my_call lefted"]C[/TD]
[TD="class: lefted"]16278[/TD]
[TD="class: crs_call lefted"]C[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: mut_header, colspan: 4"]L3'4'6 defining mutations[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: subheader"]
[TD]variant[/TD]
[TD]call[/TD]
[TD]rCRS[/TD]
[TD="class: lefted"]anc[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR="class: rs1117205"]
[TD]rs1117205 [/TD]
[TD="class: my_call lefted"]A[/TD]
[TD="class: lefted"]4104[/TD]
[TD="class: crs_call lefted"]A[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: i1000010"]
[TD]i1000010 [/TD]
[TD="class: my_call lefted"]G[/TD]
[TD="class: lefted"]7521[/TD]
[TD="class: crs_call lefted"]G[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: i3001488"]
[TD]i3001488 [/TD]
[TD="class: my_call lefted"]G[/TD]
[TD="class: lefted"]7521[/TD]
[TD="class: crs_call lefted"]G[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: mut_header, colspan: 4"]L2'3'4'6 defining mutations[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: subheader"]
[TD]variant[/TD]
[TD]call[/TD]
[TD]rCRS[/TD]
[TD="class: lefted"]anc[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR="class: rs2857291"]
[TD]rs2857291[/TD]
[TD="class: my_call lefted"][/TD]
[TD="class: lefted"]195[/TD]
[TD="class: crs_call lefted"]T[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: i3002066"]
[TD]i3002066 [/TD]
[TD="class: my_call lefted"]T[/TD]
[TD="class: lefted"]195[/TD]
[TD="class: crs_call lefted"]T[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: rs41334645"]
[TD]rs41334645[/TD]
[TD="class: my_call lefted"][/TD]
[TD="class: lefted"]247[/TD]
[TD="class: crs_call lefted"]G[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: i3001448"]
[TD]i3001448[/TD]
[TD="class: my_call lefted"][/TD]
[TD="class: lefted"]247[/TD]
[TD="class: crs_call lefted"]G[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: rs2853520"]
[TD]rs2853520 [/TD]
[TD="class: my_call lefted"]T[/TD]
[TD="class: lefted"]825[/TD]
[TD="class: crs_call lefted"]T[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: rs2853822"]
[TD]rs2853822[/TD]
[TD="class: my_call lefted"][/TD]
[TD="class: lefted"]8655[/TD]
[TD="class: crs_call lefted"]C[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: i3002650"]
[TD]i3002650 [/TD]
[TD="class: my_call lefted"]C[/TD]
[TD="class: lefted"]8655[/TD]
[TD="class: crs_call lefted"]C[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: rs2853488"]
[TD]rs2853488 [/TD]
[TD="class: my_call lefted"]G[/TD]
[TD="class: lefted"]10688[/TD]
[TD="class: crs_call lefted"]G[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: rs28358282"]
[TD]rs28358282 [/TD]
[TD="class: my_call lefted"]T[/TD]
[TD="class: lefted"]10810[/TD]
[TD="class: crs_call lefted"]T[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: i3000954"]
[TD]i3000954 [/TD]
[TD="class: my_call lefted"]T[/TD]
[TD="class: lefted"]10810[/TD]
[TD="class: crs_call lefted"]T[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: rs2853501"]
[TD]rs2853501 [/TD]
[TD="class: my_call lefted"]A[/TD]
[TD="class: lefted"]13105[/TD]
[TD="class: crs_call lefted"]A[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: i5049946"]
[TD]i5049946 [/TD]
[TD="class: my_call lefted"]A[/TD]
[TD="class: lefted"]13105[/TD]
[TD="class: crs_call lefted"]A[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: rs2857287"]
[TD]rs2857287 [/TD]
[TD="class: my_call lefted"]C[/TD]
[TD="class: lefted"]13506[/TD]
[TD="class: crs_call lefted"]C[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: rs28573847"]
[TD]rs28573847[/TD]
[TD="class: my_call lefted"][/TD]
[TD="class: lefted"]15301[/TD]
[TD="class: crs_call lefted"]G[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: i3001523"]
[TD]i3001523 [/TD]
[TD="class: my_call lefted"]A[/TD]
[TD="class: lefted"]15301[/TD]
[TD="class: crs_call lefted"]G[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: i5050460"]
[TD]i5050460 [/TD]
[TD="class: my_call lefted"]A[/TD]
[TD="class: lefted"]15301[/TD]
[TD="class: crs_call lefted"]G[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: i4990110"]
[TD]i4990110 [/TD]
[TD="class: my_call lefted"]G[/TD]
[TD="class: lefted"]16129[/TD]
[TD="class: crs_call lefted"]G[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: i3001531"]
[TD]i3001531[/TD]
[TD="class: my_call lefted"][/TD]
[TD="class: lefted"]16129[/TD]
[TD="class: crs_call lefted"]G[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: i3001605"]
[TD]i3001605[/TD]
[TD="class: my_call lefted"][/TD]
[TD="class: lefted"]16129[/TD]
[TD="class: crs_call lefted"]G[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: rs41534744"]
[TD]rs41534744[/TD]
[TD="class: my_call lefted"][/TD]
[TD="class: lefted"]16129[/TD]
[TD="class: crs_call lefted"]G[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: i4000590"]
[TD]i4000590 [/TD]
[TD="class: my_call lefted"]C[/TD]
[TD="class: lefted"]16187[/TD]
[TD="class: crs_call lefted"]C[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: i4000591"]
[TD]i4000591 [/TD]
[TD="class: my_call lefted"]C[/TD]
[TD="class: lefted"]16187[/TD]
[TD="class: crs_call lefted"]C[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: rs28693675"]
[TD]rs28693675[/TD]
[TD="class: my_call lefted"][/TD]
[TD="class: lefted"]16189[/TD]
[TD="class: crs_call lefted"]T[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: i4000587"]
[TD]i4000587 [/TD]
[TD="class: my_call lefted"]T[/TD]
[TD="class: lefted"]16189[/TD]
[TD="class: crs_call lefted"]T[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: mut_header, colspan: 4"]L2-6 defining mutations[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: subheader"]
[TD]variant[/TD]
[TD]call[/TD]
[TD]rCRS[/TD]
[TD="class: lefted"]anc[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR="class: i3001922"]
[TD]i3001922 [/TD]
[TD="class: my_call lefted"]T[/TD]
[TD="class: lefted"]152[/TD]
[TD="class: crs_call lefted"]T[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: rs2856980"]
[TD]rs2856980 [/TD]
[TD="class: my_call lefted"]G[/TD]
[TD="class: lefted"]2758[/TD]
[TD="class: crs_call lefted"]G[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: rs2854130"]
[TD]rs2854130 [/TD]
[TD="class: my_call lefted"]T[/TD]
[TD="class: lefted"]2885[/TD]
[TD="class: crs_call lefted"]T[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: rs28546855"]
[TD]rs28546855 [/TD]
[TD="class: my_call lefted"]A[/TD]
[TD="class: lefted"]7146[/TD]
[TD="class: crs_call lefted"]A[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: rs1116907"]
[TD]rs1116907 [/TD]
[TD="class: my_call lefted"]C[/TD]
[TD="class: lefted"]8468[/TD]
[TD="class: crs_call lefted"]C[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: i3000730"]
[TD]i3000730 [/TD]
[TD="class: my_call lefted"]C[/TD]
[TD="class: lefted"]8468[/TD]
[TD="class: crs_call lefted"]C[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: i5049841"]
[TD]i5049841 [/TD]
[TD="class: my_call lefted"]C[/TD]
[TD="class: lefted"]8468[/TD]
[TD="class: crs_call lefted"]C[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: mut_header, colspan: 4"]L1-6 defining mutations[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: subheader"]
[TD]variant[/TD]
[TD]call[/TD]
[TD]rCRS[/TD]
[TD="class: lefted"]anc[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR="class: i3001869"]
[TD]i3001869 [/TD]
[TD="class: my_call lefted"]T[/TD]
[TD="class: lefted"]146[/TD]
[TD="class: crs_call lefted"]T[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: rs41473347"]
[TD]rs41473347[/TD]
[TD="class: my_call lefted"][/TD]
[TD="class: lefted"]182[/TD]
[TD="class: crs_call lefted"]C[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: i3001445"]
[TD]i3001445[/TD]
[TD="class: my_call lefted"][/TD]
[TD="class: lefted"]182[/TD]
[TD="class: crs_call lefted"]C[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: i3002160"]
[TD]i3002160 [/TD]
[TD="class: my_call lefted"]C[/TD]
[TD="class: lefted"]4312[/TD]
[TD="class: crs_call lefted"]C[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: rs2854121"]
[TD]rs2854121 [/TD]
[TD="class: my_call lefted"]C[/TD]
[TD="class: lefted"]10664[/TD]
[TD="class: crs_call lefted"]C[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: rs2857285"]
[TD]rs2857285 [/TD]
[TD="class: my_call lefted"]T[/TD]
[TD="class: lefted"]10915[/TD]
[TD="class: crs_call lefted"]T[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: i5049974"]
[TD]i5049974[/TD]
[TD="class: my_call lefted"][/TD]
[TD="class: lefted"]10915[/TD]
[TD="class: crs_call lefted"]T[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: rs2853496"]
[TD]rs2853496 [/TD]
[TD="class: my_call lefted"]G[/TD]
[TD="class: lefted"]11914[/TD]
[TD="class: crs_call lefted"]G[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: i5049758"]
[TD]i5049758 [/TD]
[TD="class: my_call lefted"]G[/TD]
[TD="class: lefted"]11914[/TD]
[TD="class: crs_call lefted"]G[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: rs2853502"]
[TD]rs2853502 [/TD]
[TD="class: my_call lefted"]A[/TD]
[TD="class: lefted"]13276[/TD]
[TD="class: crs_call lefted"]A[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: rs2853514"]
[TD]rs2853514 [/TD]
[TD="class: my_call lefted"]A[/TD]
[TD="class: lefted"]16230[/TD]
[TD="class: crs_call lefted"]A[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
 
Global similarity map:

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And countries of origin:

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fla88 said:
Global similarity map:

2qx5og4.png


2aakk7t.png


t9wrxc.png



And countries of origin:

jheipl.png


29m7zbs.png


zlajhu.png


245y91g.png


vgn5sh.png


2642utk.png
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Maps 1 and 2, show you are from Romagna or le Marche areas.
Map 3 = south tyrol or maybe east tyrol area.

Basically, you have no tuscan in any of the maps, even though you live there now.

all the other data indicates you are more Italian to me, that is for longer period .

I have relatives in Lucca ( tuscany) the Benedetti's ( who moved from Rimini in Romagna a while ago )................email me privately IF you think you have relatives in that area ( I am in 23andme also). We might have some relatives.

Going by all the black drops, you have been busy in organising some "relatives" in 23andme :smile:
 
anybody know why on those maps North Italians are below the big Italian group? the axis in the left says north/south with north up..
 
kamani said:
anybody know why on those maps North Italians are below the big Italian group? the axis in the left says north/south with north up..
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I don't know unless north italian only indicates NW Italy , i suspect its upside down and the sardinian was thrown in as a distant side marker.....maybe a programmers fantasy.
but Fla88 23andme conflict from where she currently could be....which is tuscany

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maybe 23andme gives data for only 500 years ago, no earlier or no later


EDIT: but I also have conflict with her appearing here

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