New scientific evidence for the history and occupants of Tomb I (“Tomb of Persephone”) in the Great Tumulus at Vergina

You're free to your personal opinion but it is a bit presumptuous to speak on behalf of most Greeks. I don't buy that part of your statement. I'd be willing to bet, if polled, most would prefer Greek actors portraying Greek historical figures over broadly white actors of other ethnic backgrounds.
Let’s say that movies like Troy or 300 were box office success stories in Greece. There aren’t any movie stars of international acclaim that are Greek born so the ethnic background thing really isn’t emphasized or even discussed at all.

Back in the day Zorba the Greek was a signature film with an Irish/Mexican in the eponymous role (Anthony Quinn) and it was a non issue too. People are fully aware that without movie stars with proper accent, your blockbuster is unlikely to be successful. This has been going for many decades, in fact throughout the post WW2 period and is the norm. Nobody thinks much of it.

What does matter is when a supposedly historic show will “race swap”, like Cleopatra on Netflix (portrayed as black) recently, which irritated Greeks (but infuriated Egyptians as well). This is juxtaposed to the critique towards the (generally better received by Greeks) Netflix show about Alexander. Greek media was mostly discussing historic inaccuracies and the topic of homosexuality. Nobody cared about the absence of Greeks in the leading roles. It is a given, always has.
 
What does matter is when a supposedly historic show will “race swap”, like Cleopatra on Netflix (portrayed as black) recently, which irritated Greeks (but infuriated Egyptians as well). This is juxtaposed to the critique towards the (generally better received by Greeks) Netflix show about Alexander. Greek media was mostly discussing historic inaccuracies and the topic of homosexuality. Nobody cared about the absence of Greeks in the leading roles. It is a given, always has.
It's not just about race and such a notion avoids addressing the real problem. If you're attempting to portray history then you should be doing so to tell the story of what actually happened with as much accuracy as possible and this includes the ethnic characterizations of major historical figures. Willful attempts to diverge from that are simply disingenuous attempts at rewriting history.

The choice of portraying Cleopatra as African as opposed to Greek only stands out and irritates you because Africans are much more genetically and visually divergent from Greeks than Irish origin actors such as Colin Farrell, but neither are closely representative of the actual figures they play. The problem is the practice of not portraying historical events and people as they were recorded and left to us to be understood. If a director is not interested in portraying history accurately then they should stop pretending to be portraying it at all.
 
It seems to me that all ancient Balkanian populations (central and south) were genetically identical, with only a variation of shades going South to North. To put it differently, there is more variety between North and South Illyrians, than between Mycenaeans and Ancient Paeonians. Or rather, South Illyrians are closer to Greeks (ancient or modern) than North Illyrians.

Macedonians were probably close to Ancient Paeonians and ancient Thessalians. If you exclude the Slavic admixture in the Balkans, there isn’t enough genetic basis to ascertain a shift from Greek to non-Greek. One will need to split hairs in order to do that, if possible.

This is why modern Thessalians are most similar to ancient Paeonians. Because there is less Slavic admixture compared to populations further North, but they are still relatively close geographically.

Given the above. Genetics is not going to give any answer related to the Greekness of the Ancient Macedonians. Some historians used to believe that Greeks, Thracians and Illyrians were genetically very distinct. This has turned out to be a fallacy. But some people still think by that logic in trying to interpret ancient dna.
 
I'm not trying to make this thread political, but let’s be clear, Ancient "greece" is a myth, The Kingdom was predominantly Macedonian, followed by Illyrians and Thracians. Hellenism was a cultural and religious system, similar to how Christianity or Islam function today. Koine language served as a common language for interethnic communication ( for trade / business ), much like English does in the modern world. There’s no real evidence to support it ( artifacts or coins with name Elada Helada ). Nothing in the Balkans is Greek, so we can measure "greekness" of something.
Macedonians were always Macedonians and they conquered all Hellenic city states, Macedonians has different religion than Hellenes , with supreme GOD of SUN named ILE, they had a different language too , just like the Thracians and Illyrians were their own distinct peoples. The Paeonians were Macedonians too, it's the same people same religion and language.
Ancient Macedonians were predominantly described as having blonde or red hair and were of steppe origin mostly.

However, modern genetic calculators like G25 or K13 ( examples ) often categorize ancient steppe ancestry, particularly that related to ancient Baltic populations, as Slavic, which can lead to misleading interpretations.

I’ve consistently posted my Macedonian database, which includes an average based on 120 individuals from all regions. When I say Macedonians, I’m referring to those without mixed ancestry. There are Macedonians today who are mixed with Yugoslav elements, but my database focuses strictly on native Macedonians from both sides.

Macedonian(n=120)_avg,0.1221137,0.1428205,0.0224179,-0.0081292,0.0261456,-0.0018024,0.0040086,0.0024083,0.0016661,0.0116851,-0.0009672,0.00148,-0.0025211,0.0091482,-0.0123715,-0.0017083,0.0059696,0.0005986,0.0055083,-0.0045047,-0.0054208,-0.0012481,0.0025807,0.000303,-0.0008277


Target: Macedonian(n=120)_avg
Distance: 1.4715% / 0.01471535 | R3P
74.0 Paeonian ( Ancient Macedonian )
21.8 Slavic
4.2 Pakistan_Butkara




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I'm not trying to make this thread political, but let’s be clear, Ancient "greece" is a myth, The Kingdom was predominantly Macedonian, followed by Illyrians and Thracians. Hellenism was a cultural and religious system, similar to how Christianity or Islam function today. Koine language served as a common language for interethnic communication ( for trade / business ), much like English does in the modern world. There’s no real evidence to support it ( artifacts or coins with name Elada Helada ). Nothing in the Balkans is Greek, so we can measure "greekness" of something.
Macedonians were always Macedonians and they conquered all Hellenic city states, Macedonians has different religion than Hellenes , with supreme GOD of SUN named ILE, they had a different language too , just like the Thracians and Illyrians were their own distinct peoples. The Paeonians were Macedonians too, it's the same people same religion and language.
Ancient Macedonians were predominantly described as having blonde or red hair and were of steppe origin mostly.

However, modern genetic calculators like G25 or K13 ( examples ) often categorize ancient steppe ancestry, particularly that related to ancient Baltic populations, as Slavic, which can lead to misleading interpretations.

I’ve consistently posted my Macedonian database, which includes an average based on 120 individuals from all regions. When I say Macedonians, I’m referring to those without mixed ancestry. There are Macedonians today who are mixed with Yugoslav elements, but my database focuses strictly on native Macedonians from both sides.

Macedonian(n=120)_avg,0.1221137,0.1428205,0.0224179,-0.0081292,0.0261456,-0.0018024,0.0040086,0.0024083,0.0016661,0.0116851,-0.0009672,0.00148,-0.0025211,0.0091482,-0.0123715,-0.0017083,0.0059696,0.0005986,0.0055083,-0.0045047,-0.0054208,-0.0012481,0.0025807,0.000303,-0.0008277


Target: Macedonian(n=120)_avg
Distance: 1.4715% / 0.01471535 | R3P
74.0 Paeonian ( Ancient Macedonian )
21.8 Slavic
4.2 Pakistan_Butkara




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Very Interesting points.Can you give us the sources of Ancient Macedonians having different gods from Greeks,of the existence of the Sun god Ile or smth,and also the sources of paeonians being macedonian?
 
I'm not trying to make this thread political, but let’s be clear, Ancient "greece" is a myth, The Kingdom was predominantly Macedonian, followed by Illyrians and Thracians. Hellenism was a cultural and religious system, similar to how Christianity or Islam function today. Koine language served as a common language for interethnic communication ( for trade / business ), much like English does in the modern world. There’s no real evidence to support it ( artifacts or coins with name Elada Helada ). Nothing in the Balkans is Greek, so we can measure "greekness" of something.
Macedonians were always Macedonians and they conquered all Hellenic city states, Macedonians has different religion than Hellenes , with supreme GOD of SUN named ILE, they had a different language too , just like the Thracians and Illyrians were their own distinct peoples. The Paeonians were Macedonians too, it's the same people same religion and language.
Ancient Macedonians were predominantly described as having blonde or red hair and were of steppe origin mostly.

However, modern genetic calculators like G25 or K13 ( examples ) often categorize ancient steppe ancestry, particularly that related to ancient Baltic populations, as Slavic, which can lead to misleading interpretations.

I’ve consistently posted my Macedonian database, which includes an average based on 120 individuals from all regions. When I say Macedonians, I’m referring to those without mixed ancestry. There are Macedonians today who are mixed with Yugoslav elements, but my database focuses strictly on native Macedonians from both sides.

Macedonian(n=120)_avg,0.1221137,0.1428205,0.0224179,-0.0081292,0.0261456,-0.0018024,0.0040086,0.0024083,0.0016661,0.0116851,-0.0009672,0.00148,-0.0025211,0.0091482,-0.0123715,-0.0017083,0.0059696,0.0005986,0.0055083,-0.0045047,-0.0054208,-0.0012481,0.0025807,0.000303,-0.0008277


Target: Macedonian(n=120)_avg
Distance: 1.4715% / 0.01471535 | R3P
74.0 Paeonian ( Ancient Macedonian )
21.8 Slavic
4.2 Pakistan_Butkara




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What is Pakistan_Butkara and is this a plausible element for Macedonians?
 
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