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Leaving US interests aside, I think you shouldn't harmless Nazi actions during the Third Reich! Even if your accusations to the US are true, keep ground and beware of who the real aggressors of WWII were. If the Nazis had won the war and Himmler would have had the ability to continue his eugenic programme in Europe for the favour of a strong, healthy and nordic population, many people I know today, including myself, wouldn't have been born, or killed as babies.
 
Melusine said:
I stand corrected on the amount of USA military soldiers who died in Europe WWII (revised to ONLY about 183,000)

However, why not take time to add the 116,708 American soldiers that died in EUROPE during WWI?? Perhaps a grand total of 300,000 of our grandfathers dying for Europe is not enough for some of you.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_I_casualties
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That link says that total number of American casualties in WWI is 2% from Entente while Romania - 6%, Serbia - 8%, Italy - 12%, Britain - 16%, France - 25% and Russia 30%. Really and what the hell would we do without America in WWI??? :petrified:

I myself appreciate America & Canada for material & moral supporting in WWII, that really was very timely especially considering that the Nazis planned to get rid of 90% of the population of my country just because of the race. But real military American contribution in fight with nazism was about 5%, no more. I don't say that waiting attitude was cowardly or something, it was smart. Your leaders saved a lot of own people by it.
Just look on D-day
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normandy_Landings
and after watch it
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Stalingrad
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Kursk#cite_note-Kvivosheevtech-23
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Bagration
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Berlin
Even 70 years after Russia have 10 million deficiency of the male population over female, without world wars modern Russia's population could be 170, 180, 190 millions, not 140 like now. These wars are total craziness.
 
Excellent point Anton. For a true idea of the effects on populations as a result of WWI and II it is best to look at the percentages, merely quoting numbers of deaths is inadequate as each population size varies.

So looking at the link, the US in WWI lost a mere 0.13% of it's population as opposed to countries like Serbia who lost a whopping 16.11%. WWII percentages are here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WWII_Casualties. The USSR is at 14.21% whilst the US is at only 0.32%, even Australia and New Zealand have higher casualties than the US at 0.57% and 0.73%. Keeping in mind that the figures do include the Pacific so the the US, Australian & NZ percentages for Europe would be lower.

Although, imo, this is all quite a useless exercise. The US didn't expend lives and resources out of the goodness of their hearts, as they would have us believe. Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the US the only country to make a profit out of WWII?
 
Anton said:
China as total world superpower probably will force everyone to buy their goods to ensure employment of its own population and probably will demand lower prices for resources.
About "like Syria but worse" not sure because Russia for example never had wars with China, in China 5000 years history only Mao Zedong looks agressive.

But I don't think that China will ever get such status because 5 reasons:
1) America losing its power slowly, USA still will be very powerful nearest 20 years despite of the danger to their dollar printing in perspective, debts, mortgage crisis, useless wars etc...
2) Other countries of BRICS (Brasil, Russia, India & South Africa) not destroyed by wars as Europe after WWII. Each of them has an influence.
3) Monstrous amount of population in China lead to social tensions within China. Communistic 1 party system with lack of criticism is not conducive to solving such problems.
4) China have a lot of other problems: separatism in Tibet, the undetermined status of Taiwan, separatism in north-west muslim regions.
5) China is aging rapidly, 30 years and they will meet with the shortage of workforce.
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in addition to these items. and i believe the most important one: china is not growing with its own sources. there is huge amount of global investment, which will cause loosing the political control over their own country.
 
Are you nuts?

if Europe fall to Nazi, today no USA will exist,
Nazi had plans ti Invade Savannah USA

Remember that the Atom Bomb was made By German scientists, and not by USA,
Rockets to the moon were developed by Germans and not by USA,
if Europe fall to Nazism today USA probably spoke German,

the Anti-American Feeling in Europe, is because Europe pays what America Build,
Remember the USA help to Adolf, How many motors ?????
All Meschershit (what ever) Airplanes had American engines, made in Detroit and seattle, (R Royce)
Remember that Trotsky left Chicago with Gold to help Lennin in Russia, to revolt.
so Ignorance is not in Europe,
Europe instead is more open minded to see the other view, that CIA doesn't permit in USA media,
Europe is not Anti USA,
and since you now History,
Adolf lost the war due to lack of oil,
only in Serbia how many NAzi were stoped, and how many in Greece,
Remember that the most victims in % of population has Greece and Russia,
350 000 / 7 000 000 thats 1/20 if in USA in the next 2 yeras die 20 000 000 USAers then surely they sign surrender,

so stop offending Europe, cause they know that Osama's case in 10 years will be another scandal,

Europe only salute the death of Osama, no chears no Fan, no Fiesta,
Many here say the case stings, why you are offended?
because of our Freedom to make speach and argue?
simply look at your History, EVEN IN WW2 THE pRESIDENT DIDN'T NOT ANNOUNCE THE DEATH OF AN ENEMY, why today? simply, a media trick, Find out why.

Besides Before WW2 the stronger country was British empire, after ww2, left 1 and 1/2 Usa and Ussr,
they both helped and create China, the rest is far talking.
 
Most posters here will be unsurprised to learn (or probably already know) that Melusine's point of view is very pervasive throughout the US. The idea is often that America has been an exceptionally virtuous nation throughout history and that other countries either owe something to us or at least should not stop us from doing what we think is right or disparaging what we do. (Apologies to Melusine if what I described isn't strictly your point of view... although I feel that you reflect this type of viewpoint.)

Personally, I disagree with that sentiment, and I don't find European distaste for American celebration offensive. In fact, the more we learn about the Osama killing, the more it seems like a flat assassination order, which should make anybody uncomfortable (although not surprised... the US even has a kill order on an American citizen, after all). I wish we were as virtuous a nation as we present ourselves as being.

To be clear, I'm happy that we combat al-Qaeda to some degree, and I'm not detached from the effects of al-Qaeda's terrorism. But death isn't something that makes me happy, regardless.
 
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VonRoust said:
Or Russian, no?

For me, more than 9 000 000 russians died during the WW2...
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About 9 mil Russian military deaths.
Civilian deaths included in total about 20 mil.
Probably more!


20.000.000 people killed, by military actions, bombings, murdered, hanged, shot, died of starvation in camps.
Do you know how many 20 million people is?

Australia nowadays has a population of about 22 million!
Imagine the entire population of Australia would have been killed.
That gives you an idea.

And to put it like it is... Europeans don't have any problems with normal American citizens, we usually do have problems with the American system, politics, companies.
If referred to "The Americans" we mean the American capitalist establishment, the CIA and so on.
Gung ho generals who are trigger happy to even use nuclear weapons.

Another point is, the USA fails to produce the evidence for the wars they started.
Over and over again.
Now again, there is no evidence about OBL's death whatsoever.
 
http://tvxs.gr/news/υγεία/η-cia-εμβολίαζε-παιδιά-στο-πακιστάν-με-σκοπό-να-βρει-τον-μπιν-λάντεν


According the above Link CIA knew about Osama at least 6-8 months earlier,
They found him by Unicef and Global Helath organizations,
especially by against Polyomyelitis campaign in area of 'Ambotampant' (how ever is writtten.

they found him compare his sister blood with the blood of the Vaccine!!!!!!!!!

Sometimes I wonder about Human society and Organizations who they are serving

Source Blog Science by tomas Cherian (however is written)
simply not outrageous but inhuman.
 
Does this mean that you were wrong not to believe in his death?
 
Osama.. The biggest joke in history... EVER!
 
Let's have it on record. You think he is still alive, right?
 
correct I think he lives somewhere hidden and protected by CIA

to use him again when they want.


on the other hand, for the record, do you agree with Methods of CIA using Unicef?
 
As long as they keep my world and my way of life safe, they can even use my home. :)
I can't comment on the article because I can't read greek.

To hold Osam hidden doesn't make sense. Why would you spend millions of dollars for his protection, and it might leak out to the public and president of USA or CIA can topple down. Why would you spend money and risk your carrier!!!???
Especially if you know that CIA is very crafty and can invent a new villain if they need one, lol. Cheaper and no risk. Think...
Besides, why CIA would spend extra money even to invent a villain, if there are so many around: Gaddafi, Chavez, Castro, Bashar, Kim Jong Il, just pick one...lol.
 
:laughing: @ iapetoc thinking that the CIA and US government are competent enough to pull a stunt like that. I think that the WikiLeaks cables have proven that at least the state department doesn't have much clue what it's doing when it comes to protecting information.
 
LeBrok said:
As long as they keep my world and my way of life safe, they can even use my home. :)
I can't comment on the article because I can't read greek.

To hold Osam hidden doesn't make sense. Why would you spend millions of dollars for his protection, and it might leak out to the public and president of USA or CIA can topple down. Why would you spend money and risk your carrier!!!???
Especially if you know that CIA is very crafty and can invent a new villain if they need one, lol. Cheaper and no risk. Think...
Besides, why CIA would spend extra money even to invent a villain, if there are so many around: Gaddafi, Chavez, Castro, Bashar, Kim Jong Il, just pick one...lol.
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That is what I am talking about, you are not safe.

the extra I can give is the 2 author.

http://www.who.int/immunization/aboutus/bio_cherian/en/index.html

http://www.paul-offit.com/

sory it is difficult to find more.


Just think, before you were safe not safe from but safe from CIA,
today you are safe from Osama, are you safe from CIA,

besides all the stories of Kastro Chavez are a myth so to create enemies in USA, just to lead people in a purpose,
when something is done Wrong in Greece or Turkey,
the Next Day we have Air combat activity or Naval,
Inner consumption,
There is no better way to create an enemy

N korea afraid of people not to run-escape to south Korea, and you believe they are a danger for USA? :useless: :useless:
 
Why are you afraid of CIA? Are they coming to kill iapetoc?
I like CIA, they are my friends.

N Korea has big army, atom bomb, and genocidal leaders. I think we should help our friends in the region, like S. Korea. I don't see a Greek army and money rushing with help. All I hear is an egoistic approach to the world, yours and the whole Greece.
 
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