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Population History of Sardinia

Near complete absence probably means related shared ancestry with steppe. I have hard time to imagine steppe dna in a nugaric context.
 
i don't because before them there were Beakers

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Cato said:
i don't because before them there were Beakers

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Sardinia was Beaker before the Nugaric Civilization? Is it confirmed?
 
if steppe in nuragics is 3% ex. then modern Sardinians from the coast with 9-10% steppe have a "lot" of ancestry from the Romans and other medieval colonists, somenthing like 20-30%

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Cato said:
if steppe in nuragics is 3% ex. then modern Sardinians from the coast with 9-10% steppe have a "lot" of ancestry from the Romans and other medieval colonists, somenthing like 20-30%

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Why limit it to Romans and medieval colonists? It's been a rather steady flow hasn't it?
 
Punics likely decreased it,...i forgot the piemontese rule

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Sardinia was conquered by Vandals at some point wich were accompanied by Alans, a steppic tribe, it could have played a role.
 
halfalp said:
Sardinia was conquered by Vandals at some point wich were accompanied by Alans, a steppic tribe, it could have played a role.
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Sorry. Too quick on the draw.
 
halfalp said:
Sardinia was conquered by Vandals at some point wich were accompanied by Alans, a steppic tribe, it could have played a role.
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A conquering horde passing through rarely has much impact. Look at the Hungarians. Even the Langobards didn't have a huge impact, and they were a folk migration.
 
there were some Vandal settlement on the island, for example a guy named Walderich, a landowner, asked to the Pope to return in Sardinia after the Byzantine conquest

I don't know if the few R1a there match with that of the Vandals, in any case at best their autosomal contribuition must be 1-2%

Also probably the Byzantine enrolled Lombard soldiers to stay on the island

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Angela said:
A conquering horde passing through rarely has much impact. Look at the Hungarians. Even the Langobards didn't have a huge impact, and they were a folk migration.
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The vandals didnt inhabit sardinia too long neither I think
 
Cato said:
there were some Vandal settlement on the island, for example a guy named Walderich, a landowner, asked to the Pope to return in Sardinia after the Byzantine conquest

I don't know if the few R1a there match with that of the Vandals, in any case at best their autosomal contribuition must be 1-2%

Also probably the Byzantine enrolled Lombard soldiers to stay on the island

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They did? I know for sure that during the byzantine period the Lombards tried to invade the island multiple times, and the byzantine fleet managed to sink the Lombards' when the Lombards tried to invade the island. There's a epigraph from Porto Torres/Turris Libisonis commemorating that victory over the invading barbarians, there's also a letter from the pope to the bishop of Cagliari where he warns him to prepare the defenses of the city to withstand the lombard invasion.

The Byzantines had a lasting influence in Sardinia, to the point that many institutions of the sardinian giudicati originated from those of the byzantine empire.
Even when the byzantine left the island in the 8th century AD we know from a series of written texts that there were still direct contacts between Sardinia and the Byzantines, one of the texts of the book of ceremonies of emperor Costantine VII is dedicated to the chants that the Sardinians serving as gaurdsmen in the palace of Byzantium would sing to the byzantine emperor after his victories, another text from the book of cerimoniis mentions the archon of Sardinia, to whom the emperor would give a diploma with a golden bull, and we know from another text that around 1010 AD a group of Sardinians lamented the fact that the pope had introduced the use of unleavened bread to the patriarch of Byzantium at Hagia Sophia. On the other side of the sea in Sardinia we have a series of greek documents dating to the 10th century AD and the early 11th century AD where the local rulers, though often bearing indigenous dynastic names (Nispella, Torbeno, Torchitorio, Salusio) also bore the byzantine titles of archon and protospatharios to legitimate their position.

http://veprints.unica.it/1021/1/PhD_Thesis_Orrù.pdf
 
Angela said:
A conquering horde passing through rarely has much impact. Look at the Hungarians. Even the Langobards didn't have a huge impact, and they were a folk migration.
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I didn't believe that much to what i say to be fair.
 
I don't really know the history of Sardinia, but were the Beakers there related to the Mediterranean type or the Corded type? That would make a big difference.
 
If the Barbagia population has little if any Bronze Age steppes, it is not only the closest population to pre-IE Southern Europe but also among the last population in the Mediterranean basin to have been "spared from" these newcomers as even neighbouring Berbers as well as Levantines have minor steppes ancestry.
The insular situation and the terrain seem to be again at play in isolating Sardinians from migrations despite being in a rather central location.
 
uguns90 said:
If the Barbagia population has little if any Bronze Age steppes, it is not only the closest population to pre-IE Southern Europe but also among the last population in the Mediterranean basin to have been "spared from" these newcomers as even neighbouring Berbers as well as Levantines have minor steppes ancestry.
The insular situation and the terrain seem to be again at play in isolating Sardinians from migrations despite being in a rather central location.
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Well, upthread it was put at 3% in the Barbagia, and maybe 9-10% elsewhere. Those are indeed low numbers, but I don't know how much Berbers and Levantines have.

There wasn't much worth risking your life for up there. The "natives" were practising "guerilla" tactics before the word was created.

I was probably too "stingy" in my wording. They're not just the closest population to pre-IE Southern Europe but Central Europe as well, and even Britain.
 
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