Questions on my Y-DNA Haplogroup T

[Salento]

... sharing again since I was mentioned

Z19945 +
A15857 / CTS1848 -
BY143483 +
SK1480 +

 

[Duarte]

FTDNA yDNA T haplotree:

https://www.familytreedna.com/public/y-dna-haplotree/T

 

[torzio]

... sharing again since I was mentioned

Z19945 +
A15857 / CTS1848 -
BY143483 +
SK1480 +

while under SNP area , your CTS1848 had negative ...................mine had nothing on CTS1848, i needed to go to BigY and below is my snippet




clearly ftdna snp markers and their trees , be it BigY or not are not in synch

 

[Salento]

while under SNP area , your CTS1848 had negative ...................mine had nothing on CTS1848, i needed to go to BigY and below is my snippet




clearly ftdna snp markers and their trees , be it BigY or not are not in synch

I tested CTS1848 with FTDNA and Yseq (both negative), so that’s settled ...

 

[torzio]

I have a paternal match as a 3rd-5th cousin with a person named
Ronald William Toigo

issue is , ftdna notes his ydna as L-M20

I cannot find his kit # .............any ideas would help


Many Toigo families come from Fanzaso town of Belluno province Veneto , other surnames that match with me from there are the Cemin family

 

[Mr. T]

Y Haplogroup T Ancient samples in timeline order. Any additional samples please forward me

India Roopkund Lake B ( 150 yBP )
I3403 ( 147 ± 92 yBP )
Y-DNA: T1a1b1a1b-Y21207
mtDNA: X2d

Lebanon Sidon Crusader ( 700 yBP - Medieval )
SI-42
Y-DNA: T1a - M70
mtDNA: J1b1a

Sweden Varnhem ( 950 yBP - Viking Age )
VK398
Y-DNA: T1a1b2a
mtDNA: H1b1+16362

Russia near Finland Ladoga Varangians ( 950 yBP - Viking Age )
VK17
Y-DNA: T1a1a1
mtDNA: U5a2a1b

Italy near France Collegno ( 1350 yBP - Early Medieval ) Longobard Period
CL23
Y-DNA: T1a1b1a1 - CTS6071
mtDNA: H

Hungary Szólád ( Early Medieval ) Lombard Period no carbon date
SZ36
Y-DNA: T1a1a1a1a2b2 - PF7275
mtDNA: U4c2a

Lebanon Qornet ed-Deir ( 1794 yBP - Roman )
QED-2
Y-DNA: T1a1a1b2b2b1a - P77
mtDNA: T1

Kazakhstan Kok-Mardan ( 1800 yBP - Late Antiquity ) Kaunchi Culture ( Kangju )
DA125 ( 1755 ± 41 yBP )
Y-DNA: T1a2a1a1-Y13279
mtDNA: U2e2a1

Israel Tel Abel Beth Maccah
I2201, Iron Age, 1011-846 calBCE
I2201
mtDNA: X2
Y-DNA: T1a1a1b2b2b1a1a2 - CTS6280

Turkmenistan Gonur Depe ( 3600 yBP - Bronze Age ) Bactria Margiana (BMAC)
I1781 ( 3550 ± 30 yBP / 3841 yBP )
Y-DNA: T-M184
mtDNA: T1a1q

Israel Tel Megiddo
Middle-Late Bronze Age, 1971-1278 calBCE
I4518
mtDNA: HV2a1
Y-DNA: T1a1a1b2 - CTS2214

Syria Alalakh site
Middle-Late Bronze Age, 2111-1303 BC
ALA015
mtDNA: K1a
Y-DNA: T1a1a - L208

Syria Elba site
Middle Bronze Age I(Eblaite), 2000-1800 BCE
ETM026
mtDNA: K1a4
Y-DNA: T1a1 - L162

Iran Tepe Hissar C (4100 yBP- Bronze Age) Tepe Hissar Culture
I2514 ( 3915 ± 25 yBP / 4341 yBP )
Y-DNA: T1a2a1a-Y13284
mtDNA: W3b

I2512 ( 4265 ± 25 yBP / 4846 yBP )
Y-DNA: T-M184
mtDNA: HV / HV9

Morocco Kehf-el-Baroud ( 4950 yBP - Late Neolithic )
( 4940 ± 30 yBP ) other: 5565 ± 65 yBP
KEB.6
Y-DNA: T1a1a - L162
mtDNA: K1a4a1

Russia Ipatovo 3 ( 5400 yBP - Early Bronze Age ) Early Steppe Maykop Culture
IV3002 ( 5383 ± 64 yBP )
Y-DNA: T1 -CTS6004 probablyT1a2a-Y8614
mtDNA: X1'2'3

Israel Peqi'in Cave ( 6150 yBP - Late Chalcolithic ) 9 Samples !! ! Most ever found in one place and 4th oldest samples
I1155
Y-DNA: T1a1a1b2 - CTS2214
mtDNA: K1a

I1160
Y-DNA: T1a1a1b2 - CTS2214
mtDNA: N1a1b

I1165
Y-DNA: T1a1a1b2 - CTS2214
mtDNA: HV1a’b’c’

I1166
Y-DNA: T1a1a1b2 - CTS2214
mtDNA: H

I1170
Y-DNA: T1a1a1b2 - CTS2214
mtDNA: T1a2

I1172
Y-DNA: T1a1a1b2 - CTS2214
mtDNA: K1a

I1178
Y-DNA: T1a1a1b2 - CTS2214
mtDNA: I6

I1180
Y-DNA: T1a1a1b2 - CTS2214
mtDNA: T

I1187
Y-DNA: T1a1a1b2 - CTS2214
mtDNA: U6d
Peqi'in Cave atDNA notes: Northern origin. They also carry the WHG G allele for Blue eyes at Rs12913832.

Bulgaria Varna (6500 yBP-Chalcolithic) Varna Culture
ANI152
Y-DNA: T-Y3804 (x T1-Y3813)
mtDNA: U2

Germany Karsdorf ( 7100yBP - Early Neolithic ) LBK Culture
I0795
Y-DNA: T1a1a2-Y63197
mtDNA: H1 or H1au1b*

I0797
Y-DNA: T1a1a2-Y63197
mtDNA: H46b

Kars537 ( 6958 ± 49 yBP )
Y-DNA: T1a1a2-Y63197
mtDNA: J1c6a

Bulgaria Malak Preslavets ( 7600yBP - Mesolithic/Early Neolithic ) Criș Culture
I0700
Y-DNA: T1a1a2-Y63197
mtDNA: T2e

I1108
Y-DNA: T1a1a2-Y63197
mtDNA: T2e

Jordan 'Ain Ghazal ( 9600 yBP - Early Neolithic ) Late Middle PPNB ( 9573 ± 39 yBP )
Oldest Haplogroup T sample on record
I1707
Y-DNA: T1a - M70
mtDNA: R0a
Oldest Haplogroup T sample ever found

 

[torzio]

Y Haplogroup T Ancient samples in timeline order. Any additional samples please forward me
India Roopkund Lake B ( 150 yBP )
I3403 ( 147 ± 92 yBP )
Y-DNA: T1a1b1a1b-Y21207
mtDNA: X2d
Lebanon Sidon Crusader ( 700 yBP - Medieval )
SI-42
Y-DNA: T1a - M70
mtDNA: J1b1a
Sweden Varnhem ( 950 yBP - Viking Age )
VK398
Y-DNA: T1a1b2a
mtDNA: H1b1+16362
Russia near Finland Ladoga Varangians ( 950 yBP - Viking Age )
VK17
Y-DNA: T1a1a1
mtDNA: U5a2a1b
Italy near France Collegno ( 1350 yBP - Early Medieval ) Longobard Period
CL23
Y-DNA: T1a1b1a1 - CTS6071
mtDNA: H
Hungary Szólád ( Early Medieval ) Lombard Period no carbon date
SZ36
Y-DNA: T1a1a1a1a2b2 - PF7275
mtDNA: U4c2a
Lebanon Qornet ed-Deir ( 1794 yBP - Roman )
QED-2
Y-DNA: T1a1a1b2b2b1a - P77
mtDNA: T1
Kazakhstan Kok-Mardan ( 1800 yBP - Late Antiquity ) Kaunchi Culture ( Kangju )
DA125 ( 1755 ± 41 yBP )
Y-DNA: T1a2a1a1-Y13279
mtDNA: U2e2a1
Israel Tel Abel Beth Maccah
I2201, Iron Age, 1011-846 calBCE
I2201
mtDNA: X2
Y-DNA: T1a1a1b2b2b1a1a2 - CTS6280
Turkmenistan Gonur Depe ( 3600 yBP - Bronze Age ) Bactria Margiana (BMAC)
I1781 ( 3550 ± 30 yBP / 3841 yBP )
Y-DNA: T-M184
mtDNA: T1a1q
Israel Tel Megiddo
Middle-Late Bronze Age, 1971-1278 calBCE
I4518
mtDNA: HV2a1
Y-DNA: T1a1a1b2 - CTS2214
Syria Alalakh site
Middle-Late Bronze Age, 2111-1303 BC
ALA015
mtDNA: K1a
Y-DNA: T1a1a - L208
Syria Elba site
Middle Bronze Age I(Eblaite), 2000-1800 BCE
ETM026
mtDNA: K1a4
Y-DNA: T1a1 - L162
Iran Tepe Hissar C (4100 yBP- Bronze Age) Tepe Hissar Culture
I2514 ( 3915 ± 25 yBP / 4341 yBP )
Y-DNA: T1a2a1a-Y13284
mtDNA: W3b
I2512 ( 4265 ± 25 yBP / 4846 yBP )
Y-DNA: T-M184
mtDNA: HV / HV9
Morocco Kehf-el-Baroud ( 4950 yBP - Late Neolithic )
( 4940 ± 30 yBP ) other: 5565 ± 65 yBP
KEB.6
Y-DNA: T1a1a - L162
mtDNA: K1a4a1
Russia Ipatovo 3 ( 5400 yBP - Early Bronze Age ) Early Steppe Maykop Culture
IV3002 ( 5383 ± 64 yBP )
Y-DNA: T1 -CTS6004 probablyT1a2a-Y8614
mtDNA: X1'2'3
Israel Peqi'in Cave ( 6150 yBP - Late Chalcolithic ) 9 Samples !! ! Most ever found in one place and 4th oldest samples
I1155
Y-DNA: T1a1a1b2 - CTS2214
mtDNA: K1a
I1160
Y-DNA: T1a1a1b2 - CTS2214
mtDNA: N1a1b
I1165
Y-DNA: T1a1a1b2 - CTS2214
mtDNA: HV1a’b’c’
I1166
Y-DNA: T1a1a1b2 - CTS2214
mtDNA: H
I1170
Y-DNA: T1a1a1b2 - CTS2214
mtDNA: T1a2
I1172
Y-DNA: T1a1a1b2 - CTS2214
mtDNA: K1a
I1178
Y-DNA: T1a1a1b2 - CTS2214
mtDNA: I6
I1180
Y-DNA: T1a1a1b2 - CTS2214
mtDNA: T
I1187
Y-DNA: T1a1a1b2 - CTS2214
mtDNA: U6d
Peqi'in Cave atDNA notes: Northern origin. They also carry the WHG G allele for Blue eyes at Rs12913832.
Bulgaria Varna (6500 yBP-Chalcolithic) Varna Culture
ANI152
Y-DNA: T-Y3804 (x T1-Y3813)
mtDNA: U2
Germany Karsdorf ( 7100yBP - Early Neolithic ) LBK Culture
I0795
Y-DNA: T1a1a2-Y63197
mtDNA: H1 or H1au1b*
I0797
Y-DNA: T1a1a2-Y63197
mtDNA: H46b
Kars537 ( 6958 ± 49 yBP )
Y-DNA: T1a1a2-Y63197
mtDNA: J1c6a
Bulgaria Malak Preslavets ( 7600yBP - Mesolithic/Early Neolithic ) Criș Culture
I0700
Y-DNA: T1a1a2-Y63197
mtDNA: T2e
I1108
Y-DNA: T1a1a2-Y63197
mtDNA: T2e
Jordan 'Ain Ghazal ( 9600 yBP - Early Neolithic ) Late Middle PPNB ( 9573 ± 39 yBP )
Oldest Haplogroup T sample on record
I1707
Y-DNA: T1a - M70
mtDNA: R0a
Oldest Haplogroup T sample ever found

I will get back to you

seems like you are using the older version of the branches of T

T1a1a = T1a1

T1a1b = T1a2

T1a2a = T1a3

pity there are 2 different system running for T ydna in the world of testing

 

[Mr. T]

I will get back to you

seems like you are using the older version of the branches of T

T1a1a = T1a1

T1a1b = T1a2

T1a2a = T1a3

pity there are 2 different system running for T ydna in the world of testing

Thanks, yeah.. it's a little confusing .. I looked on isogg and apparently there was a change from 2015 to 2016 for example T1a1a1a (Z709) became T1a1a1b2b

 

[torzio]

Thanks, yeah.. it's a little confusing .. I looked on isogg and apparently there was a change from 2015 to 2016 for example T1a1a1a (Z709) became T1a1a1b2b

T was called K2 in 2008 and earlier

 

[torzio]

New T1a2-BY60539

Johann Christoph Gräßer is born in 1750 at Gräfenroda, Thüringen. His father and grandfather were from Holzhausen and Alkersleben
Mtdna = K1a2b


Exact same marker as Christopher Kile, 1747 - 1795

 

[Huracan]

Does anyone know about these two kits in our grouping of the FTDNA T Project?

IN90821 - no info listed. Placed between Laurent and Hulpeau, guessing it could be Z19950+ or even BY160604+

562486 - no info listed. Placed in the Bernot cluster, guessing it could be FT158444/BY71340+ and maybe another Bernot that tested

 

[torzio]

Does anyone know about these two kits in our grouping of the FTDNA T Project?

IN90821 - no info listed. Placed between Laurent and Hulpeau, guessing it could be Z19950+ or even BY160604+

562486 - no info listed. Placed in the Bernot cluster, guessing it could be FT158444/BY71340+ and maybe another Bernot that tested

Hulpeau iirc is a french hugenout from Lorraine France...

Laurent has been chatting in ftdna T and is in here somewhere, she wrote for her brother.....

Bernot samples are .............Edwardo Bernot and his cousins, Paulino and Francisco .....

Vironet is surname Verona now, as Vironet is a fabricated orphanage name .......matching another T-Z19950 surname Tilleaux Namur.Belgium

562486 iirc is via Verona and linked with
Erspamer, Baltasare Giovanni (1704 - ) - male b. 4 Feb 1704 father: Erspamer, Giovanni (b1671 - ) mother: Grumer, Dorotea (~1674 - )

I need to reconfirm a few of these,

 

[torzio]

other T1a2

Cristoforo Iacobini (16th century, near Rome, Italy).

 

[torzio]

Another 1 step away match with myself in ftdna

Another Hill surname

Isaac Hill Sr.
b. 22 Jul 1748 - St. Mary's County, Province of Maryland
d. 29 Jul 1825 - Hill Trace, Warren County, Tennessee, United States

 

[torzio]

running through old Ysearch matches for me from 2014-2018

so, far 6 matches from ysearch also appear for me in ftdna

missing are ( bold surnames ) who are same step match as myself

Frederich Wilhelm Ahmann and Marie Bernadine Elisabeth Ahmann (born Steinigeweg). Frederich was born on March 20 1830, in Lienen, Tecklenburg, Prussia.
Marie was born on January 8 1837, in Lienen, Tecklenburg, Prussia.



Filippo Lippi 16th century from Arezzo italy .....................also matched me in the Sorenson program



Teaford married a Catherine Runkle ........................from Nancy France

 

[torzio]

Yfull still do not use SK1480 , even though I have it and am positive for it

they did recently add these for me as 5-stars
CTS11819 • PF2766 • M3761


noted from this area
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satsurblia_Cave

so I still sit under
T-BY143483

but ftdna has me one lower at T-SK1480

 

[torzio]

recent Ydna match with me


surname
[h=1]Kerschbaumer[/h]from.....Frangart, Eppan, Tirol, Österreich


have asked the family to do a dna test

I really don't know how 23andme find these Ydna matches ? ................very odd

 

[torzio]

@Salento

interesting is that in Ftdna advanced matches, yourself, myself and the Pole have zero differences in the STR's

and , our closest relatives in ftdna is the Brooks, Curtiss people who come from the Frush T1a2-CTS933 group ( around , southern old east-germany ) ......the Frush are linked to the Froschauer group ( sometimes called Freshour )

contacting a person from the group stated the most common link via surname is with ( speculation I think, but might have some value )
Fusar is probably from Trieste,
Fusari seems to have more in Lombardy, Verona and Vicenza, Emilia and Romagna, Ancona and Aquila.
Fusarri, extremely rare, is also Lombard, Milanese and Bergamo area.
Fusaro is present between Lombardy, Veneto, Piedmont and Liguria, but the main nucleuses are in the southern peninsular, Fusaroli is specific to Cesena and Cesenatico and Ravenna.
Fuser is in the area between Venice and Treviso

I do have family ties with the Fuser who are from Istrana

 

[Salento]

@Salento

interesting is that in Ftdna advanced matches, yourself, myself and the Pole have zero differences in the STR's

and , our closest relatives in ftdna is the Brooks, Curtiss people who come from the Frush T1a2-CTS933 group ( around , southern old east-germany ) ......the Frush are linked to the Froschauer group ( sometimes called Freshour )

contacting a person from the group stated the most common link via surname is with ( speculation I think, but might have some value )
Fusar is probably from Trieste,
Fusari seems to have more in Lombardy, Verona and Vicenza, Emilia and Romagna, Ancona and Aquila.
Fusarri, extremely rare, is also Lombard, Milanese and Bergamo area.
Fusaro is present between Lombardy, Veneto, Piedmont and Liguria, but the main nucleuses are in the southern peninsular, Fusaroli is specific to Cesena and Cesenatico and Ravenna.
Fuser is in the area between Venice and Treviso

I do have family ties with the Fuser who are from Istrana

… cool, the Brooks and the Curtiss are Colonial Era y T :

John/1f Brooks, b a1640-d 1695 Stratford, CT USA

Daniel Curtiss b.1695 Stratford CT USA

Daniel CURTISS b.1652 - Stratford, CT USA

https://www.familytreedna.com/public/BrooksSurnameDNAProject/default.aspx?section=yresults

 

[torzio]

Interesting chit chat in ftdna on T-CTS1848

3 new members

Hulpeau b. 1509 Belgium .............origins Flanders

Richtera ......Czech

Hortvik.....Czech b. 1615


@salento.....I don't know what it means for us as we are negative for CTS1848.............but it is below us in our branch