Crime Riots in France over police shooting

Stuvanè said:
I'm not so sure, I know that in the past there has been some grumbling among Britons about migratory flows from other parts of Europe, so I wouldn't take Polish hospitality for granted in reverse.
Solidarity among Europeans is something that exists in massive doses only in the heads of a few utopians and among pro-EU ideologues and intellectuals.


Certainly the Eastern European countries as a whole have matured - rightly or wrongly - with a centuries-long history of invasions. This makes them reluctant and very wary of accepting anyone who wants to enter their borders blindly.
In Western Europe, none of this is the case: in the past, Eastern European countries acted as a barrier against dangerous non-European expansions, while Westerners played at being shoehorned into each other's shoes.


Now all that pseudo-humanitarian nonsense - which they have been regurgitating on us for decades, and which had in the end the only purposes of providing new electoral manpower for various political fringes (left-wing, above all) and actual cheap labour manpower for industrialists and businessmen as greedy as they are unwise - is presenting us with a very heavy bill.


It will not provide me with the solution (which there is none), but I must admit that seeing the now worried faces of these incompetent hypocrites gives me immense satisfaction.
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I read your post several times and have not yet been able to find anything that I disagree with.
 
Pax Augusta said:
Many answers can be found in this book in my opinion
François Cusset, French Theory: How Foucault, Derrida, Deleuze, & Co. Transformed the Intellectual Life of the United States, Jeff Fort (tr.), University of Minnesota Press, 2008
https://www.upress.umn.edu/book-division/books/french-theory
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The reason for radicalism taking center stage in the US is absolutely to do with the left galvanizing cracks in multiracialism. As well. In the USA every facet of contemporary discourse is about race. Pitting non-whites vs whites. They have their own unique perspectives, colored also by liberals seeking to achieve equity. Here we are ahead of the curve in this trend, this riot is merely the logical conclusion. With all due respect, this country hasn't been influenced by France since the French revolution.

Also, I should also mention I'm actually college educated in politics, unlike with genetics. I'm well aware of the political history of the EU.
 
Jovialis said:
With all due respect, this country hasn't been influenced by France since the French revolution.
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We are not talking about nations influencing other nations. We are talking about intellectuals who have influenced, directly or indirectly, the birth and flourishing of critical studies, ethnic Studies, post-colonial studies... in American colleges and universities.
 
Pax Augusta said:
We are not talking about nations influencing other nations. We are talking about intellectuals who have influenced, directly or indirectly, the birth and flourishing of critical studies, ethnic Studies, post-colonial studies... in American colleges and universities.
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I'm interested in the book, so I will be sure to check it out.
 
Archetype0ne said:
To be honest, this is like the most French thing. If anything these migrants are well integrated. /s
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Well integrated?

You mean the descendants of the migrants from North Africa and SSA who live in the rings of ghettos which encircle all the large cities and which even the police fear to enter???
 
CRT stems from Critical Theory, which was proposed by the Frankfurt(Germany) School. It was basically a critique of western institutions informed by Marxism, which first manifested in sociology, political science, the law, and even literature.

It was the philosophical underpinning of the "New Left" in Europe, and only then came to the U.S. I think perhaps people have forgotten the student movements in western Europe during the 60s and 70s and the havoc they wreaked?

As for the unrest in America having to do with immigration, that's a misreading of American history, imo. The pre-eminent problem in American society is, as it has always been since the days of the founders, the racial divide between blacks and whites, and I can't imagine anyone describing African-Americans as the descendants of immigrants. They were, instead, slaves brought here against their will out of greed by the colonists.

The great migration to the U.S. in the 19th and 20th centuries was a European migration, allowed, it must be said, because of greed as well, but after some bumpy decades, the descendants of those people have been completely integrated. Asian-Americans were present then, but the numbers have increased with the change in the immigration laws. Yet, they aren't called the model minorities for nothing.

Yes, we have a problem with illegal migration from Latin America, because we can no longer absorb such huge numbers of immigrants, but given a chance many Mexicans, Central Americans are slowly being integrated. Regardless, these are not the people rioting in the streets and burning down large portions of our cities.

It is the black/white divide which is the tear in the American fabric, and it has to be fixed. The race baiters in the black community and the idiots in the halls of academia and the media are not helping.
 
I find it amusing that Europeans would talk about integrating migrants into their societies. They can't even integrate people from other European countries. How on earth could they integrate people from other continents with completely different ways of looking at the world?

I understand it all stems from greed, but how could no one ask themselves what the future would hold for these people?

As for France, I wish it only good things, but pocketing all that money from the African continent is coming with a heavy price.

Britain, like all the Anglo Commonwealth countries, is more Woke by far than the U.S. I find it beyond bizarre that British people can fulminate against the migration of Poles and Albanians but ignore the African and South Asian ghettos which have taken over many of their cities. Things have gotten so bad, that Pakistani grooming rings abusing teenage girls were given free reign because they didn't want to offend "racial sensitivities". Now their Prince of Wales says he wants to eradicate homelessness in 5 years. Unless Britain is indeed a far different place from the U.S. a large percentage of homeless people are either alcoholics, drug addicts, or suffer from mental illnesses. Has no one thought to inform him? Or maybe he needs people from our Housing Agencies to go over and tell him what happens to brand new housing turned over to the "homeless".
 
Angela said:
CRT stems from Critical Theory, which was proposed by the Frankfurt(Germany) School. It was basically a critique of western institutions informed by Marxism, which first manifested in sociology, political science, the law, and even literature.

It was the philosophical underpinning of the "New Left" in Europe, and only then came to the U.S. I think perhaps people have forgotten the student movements in western Europe during the 60s and 70s and the havoc they wreaked?

As for the unrest in America having to do with immigration, that's a misreading of American history, imo. The pre-eminent problem in American society is, as it has always been since the days of the founders, the racial divide between blacks and whites, and I can't imagine anyone describing African-Americans as the descendants of immigrants. They were, instead, slaves brought here against their will out of greed by the colonists.

The great migration to the U.S. in the 19th and 20th centuries was a European migration, allowed, it must be said, because of greed as well, but after some bumpy decades, the descendants of those people have been completely integrated. Asian-Americans were present then, but the numbers have increased with the change in the immigration laws. Yet, they aren't called the model minorities for nothing.

Yes, we have a problem with illegal migration from Latin America, because we can no longer absorb such huge numbers of immigrants, but given a chance many Mexicans, Central Americans are slowly being integrated. Regardless, these are not the people rioting in the streets and burning down large portions of our cities.

It is the black/white divide which is the tear in the American fabric, and it has to be fixed. The race baiters in the black community and the idiots in the halls of academia and the media are not helping.
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Indeed, this is true.

Cultural Marxism is a school of thought that emerged out of the Frankfurt school during the Weimar republic. It attempts to pull at the strings of traditional culture, and norms, in an attempt to cause disruption in society. It fractures the country, and allows for radical thought to grow, and infiltrate institutions. This is exactly what has been done in the United States.

This really ramps up in the 1960s, because of radicalism infiltrating universities, no doubt supplemented along with the Cold War. Ultimately, leading to the society we have now, where many of these "intellectuals" of the 1960s have power, and influence.

You are right to say that it wasn't immigration that facilitated this. However, I think that much of this is only possible because many immigrants vote Democrat. *Nevertheless, they aren't doing it because they like cultural Marxism. They do it for the same reason many unionized working-class Americans of Europeans ancestry, from previous generations do; economic reasons. In fact, most of the people that really love cultural Marxism, are extremely liberal and well-to-do whites in big cities. Furthermore, the most radical and violent of the far-left, are usually native born white people in ANTIFA, and idiotic and violent animal rights/environmentalist groups. They're the ones who infantilize minorities in to thinking they're not possible to transcend a mindset of victimology due to past injustices such as the slave trade, or xenophobia.

I'll tell you this, I would much rather have hard working immigrants displace the massive inner-city homeless population of drug addicts and psychopaths that currently put a drag on society. Sometimes I wonder if we should bring back vagrancy laws. I share your sentiments regarding Mexican/Central Americans as well, as well as the dilemma given the fact we are at capacity. There's really just too many damn people in this country. But also, another layer to the issue is the future trends of labor, in that many of these people will not have utility in a generation. Thus I predict many of the poor people today (immigrant and native) will continue to be poor generations down the line, and become a perpetual underclass. The time is now to make it, because upward mobility will be a lot harder to achieve soon due to technological advancement.
 
Jovialis said:
Indeed, this is true.
Cultural Marxism is a school of thought that emerged out of the Frankfurt school during the Weimar republic. It attempts to pull at the strings of traditional culture, and norms, in an attempt to cause disruption in society. It fractures the country, and allows for radical thought to grow, and infiltrate institutions. This is exactly what has been done in the United States.

This really ramps up in the 1960s, because of radicalism infiltrating universities, no doubt supplemented along with the Cold War. Ultimately, leading to the society we have now, where many of these "intellectuals" of the 1960s have power, and influence.

You are right to say that it wasn't immigration that facilitated this. However, I think that much of this is only possible because many immigrants vote Democrat. *Nevertheless, they aren't doing it because they like cultural Marxism. They do it for the same reason many unionized working-class Americans of Europeans ancestry, from previous generations do; economic reasons. In fact, most of the people that really love cultural Marxism, are extremely liberal and well-to-do whites in big cities. Furthermore, the most radical and violent of the far-left, are usually native born white people in ANTIFA, and idiotic and violent animal rights/environmentalist groups. They're the ones who infantilize minorities in to thinking they're not possible to transcend a mindset of victimology due to past injustices such as the slave trade, or xenophobia.

I'll tell you this, I would much rather have hard working immigrants displace the massive inner-city homeless population of drug addicts and psychopaths that currently put a drag on society. Sometimes I wonder if we should bring back vagrancy laws. I share your sentiments regarding Mexican/Central Americans as well, as well as the dilemma given the fact we are at capacity. There's really just too many damn people in this country. But also, another layer to the issue is the future trends of labor, in that many of these people will not have utility in a generation. Thus I predict many of the poor people today (immigrant and native) will continue to be poor generations down the line, and become a perpetual underclass. The time is now to make it, because upward mobility will be a lot harder to achieve soon due to technological advancement.
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Completely agree with everything you've said.

These are the facts which some foreigners can't comprehend, because they have no real understanding of this country, an understanding that can only come from living here and being immersed in the history and culture.

Marxist intellectuals taught me, although since I'm a contrarian by nature they didn't get very far. :) Their favored acolytes didn't like the real world, so they in turn became academics and spread the poison further. While many knew that, few saw further to it spreading to the media, entertainment, and now even business. It is those brainwashed students, often women, who are creating the WOKE content which is destroying the entertainment industry through positions at places like Netflix, and as product managers are at the helm of debacles like the advertising campaign for Bud Light.

I particularly don't understand the latter. In my first incarnation after university I was an ad executive working on Coke. Never worked with harder headed, smarter people. The beverage industry distributes through franchise holders, tough entrepreneurs who often came up the hard way. How the ad agency, at least, didn't have the brains to tell Anheuser-Busch that the distributors would never tolerate those ads is beyond me. That's over and above the public revolt. Well, the woman in charge of marketing for Bud Light was fired, and the doofus man who hired her and approved her decisions as well. We'll see how much money corporate America is willing to lose in order to spread their holy message and enlighten the ignorant masses. We'll also see how much civil unrest we can tolerate before an irreparable breach.

My only consolation about this unholy mess is that at least we're not yet Canada or Britain. Perhaps there's time to turn it around.
 
Europeans are not one size fits all, even West Europe is differentiated when it comes to immigration and integration. France is not the Netherlands, Denmark not Italy. The banlieues are a typical French phenomenon.

With regard to my own country it's complicated. A long history of colonies, slave trade, plantages etc. The decolonization after ww2 brought people from Indonesia to Surinam towards the Netherlands. And later on in the sixties and seventies the nation was meanwhile becoming a welfare state people came form Turkey, Maroc to work in the industry.

Did the integration went well, yes and no. In fact it are phases, after decennia immigrants do get integrated (with trail, error and succes!). People from Indonesia and Surinam did face integration problems in postwar Dutch. The Indonesians, for example, consisting mainly of ex-servicemen and their families, who had fought on the Dutch side, were frustrated for years because they had been promised their own homeland. This led to hostage taking, train hijacking, etc in ths seventies.

On the other hand or better meanwhile the integration went on on "the grassroots level"- the Indonesians are very well integrated and many are married with 'cheeseheads'. Many national politicians have partly Indonesian roots. It is striking that this is especially the case with the leading figures of the extreme right (Thierry Baudet and Geert Wilders).

However, it is nowadays still the case that people who apply under the name Mohammed have fewer opportunities. Moroccans in particular sometimes stand on the sidelines. Not uniform. The mayor of Rotterdam (Ahmed Aboutaleb) for example, is of Moroccan descent. Nevertheless, the Mocro Mafia is notorious and even poses a serious threat to the rule of law. So a clear picture: no. Sometimes success, sometimes failure.

What I don't recognize at all is cultural Marxism. I belong to the Northwest European Social Democracy. Certainly left, but deeply connected to parliamentary democracy, and fierce anti-totalitarian (in either communist or nazi form). Commitment to equality-equal chances- and at the same time enormous austerity, pragmatic. Rhineland capitalism.

It's a movement unknown in the US (perhaps parts of the New Deal came close, some of the Cold War Liberals too). I don't actually know of an Italian example that comes close, may be some of Daisy are closest.

But - and now I may be exaggerating - in the trench culture in the current US there is no longer an eye for nuance and difference. It's immediately waving with labels like "woke" and "cultural marxist" etc etc. Bizarre (imho)
 
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I have to remind a European of European history?

"The European New Left appeared first in West Germany and West Berlin, which became a prototype for European student radicals.[67] West Berlin, an Allied-occupied island within socialist East Germany to which young men from both German states had moved to avoid conscription, in particular became a center of critical dissent from the rival social-democratic and communist party traditions. At the beginning of the 1960, an early grouping was Subversive Action (Subversiven Aktion), conceived as the German branch of the Situationist International.[68] Associated with the charismatic East German emigre, and student of the Frankfurt School, Rudi Dutschke, it became a leasing faction within the German Socialist Students' Union (Sozialistischer Deutscher Studentenbund, SDS).[69

"The student activism of the New Left came to a head around the world in 1968. The May 1968 protests in France temporarily shut down the city of Paris, while the German student movement did the same in Bonn.
Universities were simultaneously occupied in May in Paris, in the Columbia University protests of 1968, and in Japanese student strikes. Shortly thereafter, Swedish students occupied a building at Stockholm University."

"The Red Brigades (Italian: Brigate Rosse [briˈɡaːte ˈrosse], often abbreviated BR) was a far-left Marxist–Leninist[1][2] armed organization operating as a terrorist[3] and guerrilla group based in Italy responsible for numerous violent incidents, including the abduction and murder of former Prime Minister Aldo Moro, during the Years of Lead.Formed in 1970, the Red Brigades sought to create a revolutionary state through armed struggle, and to remove Italy from the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO). The organization attained notoriety in the 1970s
and early 1980s with their violent acts of sabotage, bank robberies, the kneecapping of certain industrialists, factory owners, bankers, and politicians deemed to be exploitative; and the kidnappings and/or murders of
industrialists, prominent capitalists, politicians, law enforcement officials, and other perceived “enemies” of the working-class revolution.[4] Nearly fifty people were killed in its attacks between 1974 and 1988.[5] According
to the Center for International Security and Cooperation, the BR was a "broadly diffused" terrorist group.[6]"


 
Republic Square in Paris:

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Was it a migration or an invasion?
 
Angela said:
I have to remind a European of European history?

"The European New Left appeared first in West Germany and West Berlin, which became a prototype for European student radicals.[67] West Berlin, an Allied-occupied island within socialist East Germany to which young men from both German states had moved to avoid conscription, in particular became a center of critical dissent from the rival social-democratic and communist party traditions. At the beginning of the 1960, an early grouping was Subversive Action (Subversiven Aktion), conceived as the German branch of the Situationist International.[68] Associated with the charismatic East German emigre, and student of the Frankfurt School, Rudi Dutschke, it became a leasing faction within the German Socialist Students' Union (Sozialistischer Deutscher Studentenbund, SDS).[69

"The student activism of the New Left came to a head around the world in 1968. The May 1968 protests in France temporarily shut down the city of Paris, while the German student movement did the same in Bonn.
Universities were simultaneously occupied in May in Paris, in the Columbia University protests of 1968, and in Japanese student strikes. Shortly thereafter, Swedish students occupied a building at Stockholm University."

"The Red Brigades (Italian: Brigate Rosse [briˈɡaːte ˈrosse], often abbreviated BR) was a far-left Marxist–Leninist[1][2] armed organization operating as a terrorist[3] and guerrilla group based in Italy responsible for numerous violent incidents, including the abduction and murder of former Prime Minister Aldo Moro, during the Years of Lead.Formed in 1970, the Red Brigades sought to create a revolutionary state through armed struggle, and to remove Italy from the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO). The organization attained notoriety in the 1970s
and early 1980s with their violent acts of sabotage, bank robberies, the kneecapping of certain industrialists, factory owners, bankers, and politicians deemed to be exploitative; and the kidnappings and/or murders of
industrialists, prominent capitalists, politicians, law enforcement officials, and other perceived “enemies” of the working-class revolution.[4] Nearly fifty people were killed in its attacks between 1974 and 1988.[5] According
to the Center for International Security and Cooperation, the BR was a "broadly diffused" terrorist group.[6]"
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Yes and who stood tall at that time?




https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-germany-schmidt-obituary-idUKKCN0SZ1XL20151110

 
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Ultra-liberal rabble rouser "Erica Marsh" on twitter may in fact be a fake bot linked to a Left-wing extremist group in Belgium. This is election interference. If I was POTUS, I would send the CIA for extraordinary rendition of these hostile actors.

https://twitter.com/LarryDJonesJr/status/1675935296813166595
 
This is more to do with "liberal anti-democracy," with Western elites thwarting the will of the people, from Hamilton & Madison to Wilson & FDR down to Karl Popper and the post-war consensus.

When was the last time the people of any country ever voted for mass immigration? Or even given the slightest say in the matter? If you answered "never," you'd be correct

Only when Europe breaks free of American tutelage will mass (replacement) immigration end
 
Northener said:
Yes and who stood tall at that time?




https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-germany-schmidt-obituary-idUKKCN0SZ1XL20151110

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What the heck does that have to do with the fact that you knew nothing or pretended to know nothing about the excesses of far left Marxist-Leninist ideology in Europe. As here in the U.S. the proponents supposedly disavowed violence but went on to dominate academia. Good grief, man, give it up.

Forget it. There's no point discussing things with you. Your default position is just to ignore the point and go off on some tangent.

And of all people to bring up, it's Schmidt, one of the architects of the EU which has impoverished Southern Europe!
 
Angela said:
What the heck does that have to do with the fact that you knew nothing or pretended to know nothing about the excesses of far left Marxist-Leninist ideology in Europe. As here in the U.S. the proponents supposedly disavowed violence but went on to dominate academia. Good grief, man, give it up.

Forget it. There's no point discussing things with you. Your default position is just to ignore the point and go off on some tangent.

And of all people to bring up, it's Schmidt, one of the architects of the EU which has impoverished Southern Europe!
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Imo there is no eye for proportion, certainly not on the European level. You almost present the Marxist-Leninist ideology in Europe as if it was a dominant way of thinking, in fact it was marginal. And besides that many can't make the difference between social-democrats or Labour and communist. Contrary to the far left they were (are) a strong pillar of European democracy. That's the point!

When you claim this for the US:
These are the facts which some foreigners can't comprehend, because they have no real understanding of this country, an understanding that can only come from living here and being immersed in the history and culture.
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Then why should that be different for the Netherlands, France etc etc.

If you had the specific "case" knowledge, imo you wouldn't claim this:
I find it amusing that Europeans would talk about integrating migrants into their societies. They can't even integrate people from other European countries. How on earth could they integrate people from other continents with completely different ways of looking at the world?
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To make it concrete: in the case of the Indonesians in the Netherlands it were people from another continent and in fact they did integrate.

As said not all went well, but I resist those black and white reasonings.....as I do those "trench trend" in the US, blown overseas, this has done already enough harm imo.

Last but not least Schmidt is indeed one of Europe's big architects, deep respect for that man!
 
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