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[Regio X]

Looking at some numbers, it seems the highest % of a certain pop tend to be associated to phasing, when results generally* increase in resolution. In my list of 12, for example, the highest Italian % (47.4), Balkan (7.6), Iberian (4.9), British (8.3), Scandinavian (0.8) and Eastern E. (1.7) are from people who had close relatives tested too.
*I say "generally" because after phasing one of the mentioned matches had her S.E. dropped off 0.2, NW.E. dropped off 3.6 and Broadly European increased 3.6 in the speculative mode, oddly. I presume the precision estimated by 23andMe (see Testing & Validation in https://www.23andme.com/ancestry-composition-guide/) refers to the conservative threashold, otherwise, those results couldn't have changed that way, in theory (precision of 0.95 for NW.E.). However, I haven't recorded her sub-regional results before phasing, then I don't know if these results, particularly, increased in resolution or not. Possibly they did.

This is great! I have added the percentages. Maybe I should combine your results of Veneto with those from the pie chart? Do you know if your results are already included?

I'm sure one is there: himself, heheh. I think at least two of my matches are there, but let's wait. I just asked him.
He told me he has more samples right now, however, the averages haven't changed significantly since the first (those I posted) have been done months ago.

 

[WOLFF éric]

[h=3] Eric WOLFF [/h]
European 100.0%

Northwestern European 82.9%
French & German 30.8%
British & Irish 24.2%
Scandinavian 0.3%
Finnish 0.0%
Broadly Northwestern European 27.5%

Southern European 11.5%
Italian 1.4%
Iberian 1.2%
Balkan 0.1%
Sardinian 0.0%
Broadly Southern European 8.7%

Eastern European 0.0%

Ashkenazi Jewish 0.0%

Broadly European 5.6%

 

[WOLFF éric]

70% speculative :
[h=4]Eric WOLFF[/h] 100%

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European 99.8%

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Northwestern European 66.9%

French & German 10.5%

British & Irish 4.1%

Broadly Northwestern European 52.3%

Southern European 3.3%

Broadly Southern European 3.3%

Broadly European 29.6%

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Unassigned 0.2%

90% conservative :
[h=4]Eric WOLFF[/h] 100%

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European 96.8%

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Northwestern European 28.0%

French & German 0.2%

Broadly Northwestern European 27.8%

Broadly European 68.8%

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Unassigned 3.2%

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50% speculative :
[h=4]Eric WOLFF[/h] 100%

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European 100.0%

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Northwestern European 82.9%

French & German 30.8%

British & Irish 24.2%

Scandinavian 0.3%

Broadly Northwestern European 27.5%

Southern European 11.5%

Italian 1.4%

Iberian 1.2%

Balkan 0.1%

Broadly Southern European 8.7%

Broadly European 5.6%

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Unassigned < 0.1%

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[Maciamo]

Eric WOLFF


European 100.0%

Northwestern European 82.9%
French & German 30.8%
British & Irish 24.2%
Scandinavian 0.3%
Finnish 0.0%
Broadly Northwestern European 27.5%

Southern European 11.5%
Italian 1.4%
Iberian 1.2%
Balkan 0.1%
Sardinian 0.0%
Broadly Southern European 8.7%

Eastern European 0.0%

Ashkenazi Jewish 0.0%

Broadly European 5.6%

How would you describe your ancestry? All Baden-Württenberg or also Alsace and other regions?

 

[Sile]

My own statistics for Venetians (roots in TV and BL provinces mainly) based on 12 samples to which I have access, including 2 (my father and I) with a little "touch" of MN and 1 with a little touch of UD. The scores don't total 100% because of the rounding down, and I discarded those below 0,1%.

- Southern European: 55,3
italian: 31.0
balkan: 4.1
iberian: 1.3
sardinian: 0.1
broadly S.E.: 18.3
- Northwestern European: 36.2
french & german: 15.5
british & irish: 2.7
scandinavian: 0.1
broadly NW.E.: 18.2
- Eastern European: 0.2
- Ashkenazi Jewish: 0.2
- Broadly European: 8.0

My mother presents the highest Balkan % (7.6) from the list, followed by my father (7.1). I have the highest Iberian % (4.9) and Scandinavian % (0.8).

Excluding those 3:

- Southern European: 52,8
italian: 30.0
balkan: 3.5
iberian: 1.1
sardinian: 0.2
broadly S.E.: 17.3
- Northwestern European: 38.4
french & german: 17.7
british & irish: 1.5
scandinavian: 0.1
broadly NW.E.: 19.0
- Ashkenazi Jewish: 0.2
- Broadly European: 8.3

The statistics below are more accurate, because they include many more samples (from all parts of Veneto, I guess). They have been done some months ago by a 23andMe user from Veneto.
Veneto (n=38), Lombardy (n=24), Tuscany (n=12) and Sicily (n=50):

Thanks
Was this data from the person in 23andme who has the surname Dall`Ava ?
If so, He is from Vazzola

In regards to discarding, ................I discarded all mine from my father, wife, sons and myself who have 0.1 to 0.4% of Mongolian
also discarded 0.2% of North-East Africa from my mother. ..............if you need these small fractions, let me know

 

[Regio X]

@Maciamo
Just one was included: himself. He haven't included my other matches and my family.
Excluding his own sample and those three with traces of MN or UD, we would have for Veneto (n=46 ; mine 8 added to his 38), rounding off:

- Southern European: 58.4
italian: 33.0
balkan: 3.9
iberian: 2.0
sardinian: 0.1
broadly S.E.: 19.2
- Northwestern European: 31.8
french & german: 11.9
british & irish: 2.1
broadly NW.E.: 17.6
- Eastern European: 0.4
- Ashkenazi Jewish: 0.1
- Broadly European: 9.0

@Sile
You posted just the results of your mother and wife, and without the Broadly European (what are they?). I could consider your father too. The number of samples would grow to 49.

 

[Sile]

@Maciamo
Just one was included: himself. He haven't included my other matches and my family.
Excluding his own sample and those three with traces of MN or UD, we would have for Veneto (n=46 ; mine 8 added to his 38), rounding off:

- Southern European: 58.4
italian: 33.0
balkan: 3.9
iberian: 2.0
sardinian: 0.1
broadly S.E.: 19.2
- Northwestern European: 31.8
french & german: 11.9
british & irish: 2.1
broadly NW.E.: 17.6
- Eastern European: 0.4
- Ashkenazi Jewish: 0.1
- Broadly European: 9.0

@Sile
You posted just the results of your mother and wife, and without the Broadly European (what are they?). I could consider your father too. The number of samples would grow to 49.

Mothers's broadly


Broadly European 2.9%



Fathers broadly

Broadly European 4.5%



wife's broadly

Ashkenazi Jewish 0.0%
Broadly European 3.7%

 

[The_Lyonnist]

Mine, from Lyon, France. But my maternal grandfather was born in Alsace a few months before this region was integrated into France.

 

[mwauthy]

Mine, from Lyon, France. But my maternal grandfather was born in Alsace a few months before this region was integrated into France.

Those are interestingly high British and Irish percentages for Lyon and Alsace being more south and east from Anglo-Saxon or Gaelic areas. I wonder if British and Irish Scores might correlate more with Hallstatt culture.

 

[Regio X]

Mothers's broadly


Broadly European 2.9%



Fathers broadly

Broadly European 4.5%



wife's broadly

Ashkenazi Jewish 0.0%
Broadly European 3.7%

You posted just your wife's and mother's results. What about the other % of your father? Doesn't your wife have any Balkan %?
(The author of the map haven't included your family either.)

As for the little %s, I think they wouldn't do any difference, since I'm ignoring averages below 0.1.

 

[The_Lyonnist]

Those are interestingly high British and Irish percentages for Lyon and Alsace being more south and east from Anglo-Saxon or Gaelic areas. I wonder if British and Irish Scores might correlate more with Hallstatt culture.

Maybe it comes from my Alsatian grandparent, right? Unless this is because Lyon is a burgundian population home.

 

[Sile]

You posted just your wife's and mother's results. What about the other % of your father? Doesn't your wife have any Balkan %?
(The author of the map haven't included your family either.)

As for the little %s, I think they wouldn't do any difference, since I'm ignoring averages below 0.1.

my wife's data comes from my sons phased , doubled...........no Balkan


my father below

European 99.6%
Southern European 62.6%

Italian 34.2%
Balkan 6.2%
Iberian 4.8%
Sardinian 0.0%
Broadly Southern European 15.4%

Northwestern European 30.8%
French & German 23.6%
British & Irish 0.8%
Broadly Northwestern European 19.6%

Eastern European 0.6%
Ashkenazi Jewish 0.1%
Broadly European 4.5%
East Asian 0.3%

 

[mwauthy]

Mine, from Lyon, France. But my maternal grandfather was born in Alsace a few months before this region was integrated into France.

Maybe it comes from my Alsatian grandparent, right? Unless this is because Lyon is a burgundian population home.

Yeah I'm not sure how these companies can differentiate between a Frank and a Saxon or between a Gaulish Celt and a Gaelic Celt? I'm thinking maybe French and German or Western European on other sites is primarily Germanic with a substrate of Celtic and that British and Irish is primarily Celtic with a substrate of Germanic.

 

[Regio X]

my wife's data comes from my sons phased , doubled...........no Balkan


my father below

European 99.6%
Southern European 62.6%

Italian 34.2%
Balkan 6.2%
Iberian 4.8%
Sardinian 0.0%
Broadly Southern European 15.4%

Northwestern European 30.8%
French & German 23.6%
British & Irish 0.8%
Broadly Northwestern European 19.6%

Eastern European 0.6%
Ashkenazi Jewish 0.1%
Broadly European 4.5%
East Asian 0.3%

It doesn't work this way. The phased results doubled don't necessarily corresponds to the actual results.
I could consider one of your sons instead.

 

[Sile]

It doesn't work this way. The phased results doubled don't necessarily corresponds to the actual results.
I could consider one of your sons instead.

ok

my son...........as of today, the Euro, asia, african is split in the site............he also gained 190 DNA relatives in one day ?

European 99.5%

Southern European 51.3%
Italian 27.7%
Iberian 5.9%
Broadly Southern European 17.8%

Northwestern European 39.1%
French & German 25.7%
Broadly Northwestern European 13.4%

Ashkenazi Jewish 0.1%
Broadly European 8.9%

Much of Europe was buried under miles of ice ten thousand years ago. As the glaciers receded over millennia, Neolithic farmers from the Near East joined Paleolithic hunter-gatherers to settle Europe.


this is new
Middle Eastern & North African 0.3%
North African 0.3%

The peoples of Northern Africa and the Middle East have not only genetic but also deep linguistic connections with one another.


East Asian & Native American 0.1%
East Asian 0.1%
Mongolian 0.1%
Native American < 0.1%


The peoples of East Asia and the Americas have a shared genetic history. Their common ancestors left the Near East as early as 80,000 years ago, migrating across Asia. The ancestors of Native Americans began to cross into the Americas 12,000 to 15,000 years ago.

Never seen native American before


These comments are also new since yesterday

 

[Regio X]

Veneto (n=49)

- Southern European: 58.3
italian: 33.0
balkan: 3.9
iberian: 2.1
sardinian: 0.1
broadly S.E.: 19.0
- Northwestern European: 32.1
french & german: 12.6
british & irish: 2.1
broadly NW.E.: 17.4
- Eastern European: 0.4
- Ashkenazi Jewish: 0.1
- Broadly European: 8.8

@Sile
Thanks.

 

[New Englander]

Why do I get so much "Broadly" ancestry?


European 97.8%
Middle Eastern & North African 2.1%
East Asian & Native American 0.1%
Unassigned< 0.1%

European97.8%

Southern European 58.3%
Italian 36.4%
Balkan 1.9%
Broadly Southern European 20.0%

Ashkenazi Jewish 15.3%

Northwestern European 12.5%
British & Irish 3.7%
Scandinavian 0.9%
Broadly Northwestern European 7.8%

Eastern European 0.2%

Broadly European 11.5%

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[TD="align: center"]#[/TD]
[TD]Population[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]Percent[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]1[/TD]
[TD]Caucasian[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]33.96[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 30, align: center"]2[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]Neolithic[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]25.80[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 30, align: center"]3[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]Steppe[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]16.19[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 30, align: center"]4[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]NorthEastEuropean[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]11.82[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 30, align: center"]5[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]NearEast[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]6.59[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 30, align: center"]6[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]NorthAfrican[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]2.81[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 30, align: center"]7[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]Indian[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]1.52[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]



Finished reading population data. 516 populations found.
16 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Italian @ 3.810068
2 Greek @ 4.229321
3 Greek @ 4.778130
4 Albanian @ 6.053196
5 Greek @ 6.240767
6 Gagauz @ 6.561141
7 Kosovar @ 6.647440
8 Greek @ 6.737821
9 Italian @ 6.845923
10 Sicilian @ 6.990507
11 Italian @ 7.607857
12 Jew @ 7.940345
13 Italian @ 8.114046
14 Jew @ 8.275795
15 Jew @ 8.687042
16 Jew @ 8.920505
17 Romanian @ 8.980809
18 Maltese @ 9.041584
19 Bulgarian @ 9.113941
20 Greek @ 9.142041

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Cypriot +50% French @ 3.132054


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% French +25% Jew +25% Jew @ 2.403215


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++
1 Jew + Armenian + English + Spanish @ 1.607330
2 Armenian + English + Jew + Spanish @ 1.663090
3 Armenian + English + Jew + Spanish @ 1.694453
4 Armenian + English + Jew + Spanish @ 1.705359
5 Armenian + Cypriot + English + Spanish @ 1.723775
6 Armenian + Dutch + Jew + Spanish @ 1.750709
7 Armenian + English + Spanish + Jew @ 1.754526
8 Armenian + Scottish + Jew + Spanish @ 1.757841
9 Armenian + Hungarian + Jew + Spanish @ 1.776551
10 Jew + Armenian + English + Spanish @ 1.781777
11 Armenian + Italian + Provencal + Spanish @ 1.782881
12 Jew + Armenian + Irish + Spanish @ 1.790826
13 Armenian + Bosnian + French + Jew @ 1.793978
14 Armenian + Cypriot + Orcadian + Spanish @ 1.805219
15 Armenian + Dutch + Jew + Spanish @ 1.805576
16 Jew + Armenian + Scottish + Spanish @ 1.807223
17 Armenian + Cypriot + English + Spanish @ 1.817127
18 Armenian + French + Jew + Spanish @ 1.821414
19 Armenian + Scottish + Jew + Spanish @ 1.822890
20 Armenian + Croat + French + Jew @ 1.827996

 

[Regio X]

Now we badly need data from Spain, Portugal, Ireland, Scotland, Wales and all Baltic and Slavic countries.

From the same person:
(rounding off)
Portugal (n=30)
- Southern European: 81.2
italian: 5.7
balkan: 0.1
iberian: 59.0
broadly S.E.: 16.2
- Northwestern European: 11.8
french & german: 0.9
british & irish: 2.5
broadly NW.E.: 8.3
- Ashkenazi Jewish: 0.1
- Broadly European: 5.1
- MENA: 0.4
- Sub-Saharan: 0.2

Serbia (n=16)
- Southern European: 81.2
italian: 0.3
balkan: 75.5
iberian: 0.1
broadly S.E.: 5.3
- Northwestern European: 2.0
french & german: 0.3
broadly NW.E.: 1.6
- Eastern European: 9.0
- Broadly European: 7.4
- East Asian: 0.1
- South Asian: 0.1

Ed.: Ops. It's Serbia, not Croatia.

 

[Regio X]

The following map, very interesting, was done from the same author. It shows the places where he found the highest scores for some 23andMe clusters so far, i.e., people from most of these places would be very well represented genetically by the reference samples - wherever they come from - which make up the related pop, then they don't get so much from others.

 

[Maciamo]

The following map, very interesting, was done from the same author. It shows the places where he found the highest scores for some 23andMe clusters so far, i.e., people from most of these places would be very well represented genetically by the reference samples - wherever they come from - which make up the related pop, then they don't get so much from others.

That's great. My aim is to make distribution maps for each component once I get enough data for each country.

In my samples, the highest French & German is from Wallonia in Belgium (70%), and the highest Scandinavian are a Swede (89.6%) and a Norwegian (87%), who both exceed the figures in this map. The Norwegian is from Oslo, but I am not sure that's also where his ancestors come from. The southern Swedish-Norwegian border near Oslo may have the highest Scandinavian. Incidentally that's also where haplogroup I1 peaks (about 50% of the population).