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Maciamo said:
Here is a map of the Broadly South European admixture. Not sure what it represents yet. It might be Neolithic farmer ancestry, or nothing definable.

23andMe_South_European.png
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Is it necessary to have a "broadly" map ?..............as it seems Broadly means - we do not know
 
Maciamo said:
Here is the map of the Iberian admixture. I am sure there must be a gradient somewhere in Southwest Spain, but I'll need more regional data.

23andMe_Iberian.png
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Seems correct to me .............
 
Regio X said:
Most of my contacts with Venetian background are related to TV and get more than 12% (three have less). The F & G % in my list vary from 5.7 (this person has the highest British & I.) to 30%. Your son has the third highest F & G % I've ever seen in a Venetian. Possibly it represents some "Swiss like" ancestry. I don't know.
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my sons results must come via his mother as her K1a4 matches are Villach, Linz, and other Austrian places .............she also has veneti, friuli, finnish and bulgarian matches ...and surprising no other italian matches
 
My relative below..............ancestors originally from Aviano and Porcia in Friuli


Southern European 26.0%
Italian 9.9%
Balkan 3.4%
Broadly Southern European 10.7%

Northwestern European 67.3%
French and German 18.1%
British & Irish 18%
Broadly Northwestern European 29.3%

Eastern European 3.2%
Broadly European 5.5%


His paternal line has always been around the livenza river of NE-Italy

and his great great grand mothers side origins are from western hungary/austria and eastern slovenian area
 
Sile said:
Is it necessary to have a "broadly" map ?..............as it seems Broadly means - we do not know
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The Broadly South European is probably linked to Neolithic European farmer (EEF) ancestry as it peaks in the Sardinians (23%) and Basques, as well as Friuli (Italian Alps have a lot of Neoilthic lineages, including your T1a2) and southern Iberia. Tellingly it is also found in Northwest Africa, just like the Dodecad Atlantic-Med and Eurogenes Atlantic admixtures, which also peak in Basques and Sardinians, and were confirmed to be very high in Neolithic West European samples run in GEDMatch.

23andMe may not have been able to identify the 'Broadly' components, but that doesn't mean they are junk. The Broadly Northwest European is actually one of the most useful maps as it represents mostly West Germanic ancestry. You should really read my explanations before posting.
 
Sile said:
My relative below..............ancestors originally from Aviano and Porcia in Friuli


Southern European 26.0%
Italian 9.9%
Balkan 3.4%
Broadly Southern European 10.7%

Northwestern European 67.3%
French and German 18.1%
British & Irish 18%
Broadly Northwestern European 29.3%

Eastern European 3.2%
Broadly European 5.5%


His paternal line has always been around the livenza river of NE-Italy

and his great great grand mothers side origins are from western hungary/austria and eastern slovenian area
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Ethnic Italian?

Very high northern europe results
 
Maciamo here is a chart with 16 Polish results in DNA Land:

https://i.imgur.com/tDt6At6.png

tDt6At6.png


I have 23andMe results for some, but not for all, of them.

Generally (but there can be exceptions) DNA Land "North Slavic" = 23andMe "Eastern European".

For example Pole number "11" from my chart scores:

1) In DNA Land:

100% West Eurasian, including:

77% North Slavic
11% South-Western European
8.9% Mediterranean Islander
2.7% North-West European
[and 0.4% is still missing?]

2) In 23andMe:

100% European, including:

74.7% Eastern European
10.8% North-West European
6.8% Southern European
1.5% Ashkenazi Jewish
6.2% Broadly European

So it seems that some of North-West Euro from 23andMe got counted as South-West Euro in DNA Land. It also seems that Ashkenazi and Broadly Euro from 23andMe, got counted as Med. Islander in DNA Land.

Later I will post more 23andMe (maybe also FTDNA and more DNA Land) Polish results.
 
DNA Land seems to be very accurate for Poles and mostly in line with 23andMe.

In my graph Davidski is Pole number "14".

Davidski in DNA Land has 80% North Slavic, 10% Balkan, 10% North-West Euro. I haven't seen his 23andMe but you told me that he scores 90% Eastern European. DNA Land seems to be more accurate for him, considering what is his ancestry (he is a mix of Baltic Poles and Western Poles - and I assume that his Baltic Polish ancestors would be scoring 100% North Slavic and 100% Eastern European).

Now some Latvian and Belarusian results (but not from 23andMe):

Here are Latvian FTDNA MyOrigins, Geno 2.0 NG and DNA Land results:

100% Eastern European
100% Eastern European
96% Eastern Europe + 2% Finland & Northern Siberia
98% Eastern European + 2% Finnish & Siberian (DNA Land - 100% North Slavic)
88% Eastern Europe + 12% Finland & Northern Siberia (DNA Land - 92% North Slavic, 2.1% Ambiguous Northeast European, 5.2% Northwest European, 1.2% Ambiguous)
89% Eastern European + 11% Finnish & Siberian (DNA Land - 100% North Slavic)

Interestingly a supposedly 50% Baltic German + 50% Latvian got:

89% Eastern European + 11% Finnish & Siberian (DNA Land - 100% North Slavic)

And here is how one Latvian user tried to explain that result:

I'm starting to think some Baltic German families actually ended up with lots of Latvian genes mixed in whether from way back when it was probably most Latvian women around and not many German, or more recently. Some could even be early free Latvians who ended up being considered Germans and the actual heritage forgotten (or hidden for better job opportunities)
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And two more people, only DNA Land results this time:

Ethnic Belarusian:

96,0% N.Slavic + 3,9% NW.Euro

Ethnic Latvian:

92,0% North Slavic + 2,1% Finnish + 5,2% NW.Euro + 1,2% Ambig.

"North Slavic" from DNA Land peaks in Belarusians, Lithuanians, Latvians and some Russians.
 
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Some Non-Polish Slavic results:

Ethnic Czech DNA Land (43% North Slavic):

43% North Slavic
33% North-West Euro
24% Balkan

Same Czech 23andMe (47% Eastern Euro):

46,6% Eastern European
22,0% Broadly European*
16,2% North-West European
15,1% South-East Euro (mostly Balkan)
0,1% East Asian

*Not sure why such a huge amount of this?

Ethnic Slovakian (60% North Slavic):


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Ethnic Croatian (41% North Slavic / 46% North-East Euro in total):

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Dalmatian Croatian (23% North Slavic / 25% North-East Euro in total):

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Dalmatian Serbian 1 (34% North Slavic):

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And these two results = the same person, who gets:

1) In DNA Land - 23% North Slavic
2) In 23andMe - 20% Eastern Euro

Dalmatian Serbian 2 (DNA Land):

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Dalmatian Serbian 2 (23andMe):

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As you can see, generally North Slavic = Eastern European, +/- few percent.

The biggest difference so far is in case of Davidski (10% difference).

Soon I will post more 23andMe results, and compare them with DNA Land. I have more DNA Land results because not everyone tests with 23andMe, but everyone can upload to DNA Land (also people who test with FTDNA, etc.).
 
This is Pole number "6" from my DNA Land graph. She scores:

1) In 23andMe - 70% Eastern Euro + 0,4% Finnish
2) In DNA Land - 64% North Slavic + 2% Finnish

Note: DNA Land counts Finnish as part of North-Eastern European. On the other hand, 23andMe apparently counts Finnish as part of North-Western European (which is ridiculous in my opinion).

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European 97.8%

Middle Eastern & North African 2.1%

East Asian & Native American 0.1%

Unassigned< 0.1%


European97.8%

Southern European 58.3%

Italian 36.4%

Balkan 1.9%

Broadly Southern European 20.0%


Ashkenazi Jewish 15.3%


Northwestern European 12.5%

British & Irish 3.7%

Scandinavian 0.9%

Broadly Northwestern European 7.8%


Eastern European 0.2%


Broadly European 11.5%
 
I have updated all the maps based on more detailed regional data from Spain and Portugal.
 
Maciamo I will try to collect a larger sample for Poland based exclusively on 23andMe. I think that there is a gradient of Eastern Euro within Poland. As for LeBrok and Davidski, they are both partially from Eastern regions which ceased to be part of Poland after WW2, so they are both probably Eastern-shifted compared to the average Pole.

I haven't tested with 23andMe and I probably won't order it anytime soon. I think that I will order Living DNA because they have a discount for eligible persons now (and I'm probably eligible due to my regional ancestry).
 
Bojko rusyn results , comes from the border between south east Poland and Western Ukraine.
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I have updated the East European map and added a new shade for over 80%. But without knowing where the Polish samples come from, it's hard to figure out the boundary between the 60-70%, 70-80% and >80%.

23andMe_East_European.png
 
Maciamo said:
I have updated the East European map and added a new shade for over 80%. But without knowing where the Polish samples come from, it's hard to figure out the boundary between the 60-70%, 70-80% and >80%.

23andMe_East_European.png
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Thanks, Maciamo! I am sorry I post it so late. Here are my matches from some European countries with 4 grandparents from their country:

[TABLE="width: 293"]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]PL1 - MIX S+NE[/TD]
[TD]PL2 - S-PL[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]EASTERN EUROPEAN[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]85.8[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]89.9[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]N.W. EUROPAN[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]6.3[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]4[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]French+German[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Scandinavian[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1.1[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.6[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]British+Irish[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Broadly NWE[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]5.2[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]3.5[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]SOUTHERN EUROPEAN[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]4[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]3.4[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Balkan[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1.8[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1.8[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Broadly Southern E.[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2.2[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1.7[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]BROADLY EUROPEAN[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]3.9[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2.6[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]GER1[/TD]
[TD]GER2 - Bavaria[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]EASTERN EUROPEAN[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]3.7[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]10.9[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]N.W. EUROPAN[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]85.8[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]63.6[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]French+German[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]37.2[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]16.7[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Scandinavian[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]6.3[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]3.9[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]British+Irish[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]14[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]6.3[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Broadly NWE[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]28.3[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]36.5[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]SOUTHERN EUROPEAN[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]6.4[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]13.5[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Italian[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2.1[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2.3[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Iberian[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1.8[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.5[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Balkan[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1.6[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Broadly Southern E.[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2.5[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]9.1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]BROADLY EUROPEAN[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]3.4[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]11.4[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]SK1[/TD]
[TD]SK2 [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]EASTERN EUROPEAN[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]58[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]61.9[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]N.W. EUROPAN[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]16.8[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]4[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]French+German[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.9[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Scandinavian[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1.3[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]British+Irish[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.4[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Broadly NWE[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]14.2[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]3[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]SOUTHERN EUROPEAN[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]11.4[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]18.5[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Italian[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.2[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Iberian[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Balkan[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]9.9[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]12.8[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Broadly Southern E.[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1.5[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]5.6[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]BROADLY EUROPEAN[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]13.8[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]12.9[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]UKR1 - Ternopil[/TD]
[TD]UKR2[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]EASTERN EUROPEAN[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]66.1[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]68.4[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]N.W. EUROPAN[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]6.7[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]6.3[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]French+German[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.5[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Scandinavian[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]British+Irish[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.3[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Broadly NWE[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]5.8[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]5.2[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]SOUTHERN EUROPEAN[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]15.9[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]15.1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Italian[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Iberian[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Balkan[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]11.9[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]11.2[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Broadly Southern E.[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]4[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]3.9[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]BROADLY EUROPEAN[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]11.1[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]9.4[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD="colspan: 2"]LITHUANIAN[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]EASTERN EUROPEAN[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]94.8[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]N.W. EUROPAN[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2.5[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]French+German[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Scandinavian[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]British+Irish[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Broadly NWE[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2.5[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]SOUTHERN EUROPEAN[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.2[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Italian[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Iberian[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.2[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Balkan[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Broadly Southern E.[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.1[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]BROADLY EUROPEAN[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2.4[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]GREEK[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]EASTERN EUROPEAN[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]N.W. EUROPAN[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1.7[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]French+German[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Scandinavian[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]British+Irish[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.2[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Broadly NWE[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1.4[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]SOUTHERN EUROPEAN[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]96[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Italian[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]13.5[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Iberian[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Balkan[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]72.1[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Broadly Southern E.[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]10.5[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]BROADLY EUROPEAN[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1.6[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD="colspan: 2"]NORWEGIAN[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]EASTERN EUROPEAN[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.1[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]N.W. EUROPAN[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]99.3[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]French+German[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1.1[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Scandinavian[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]77.8[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]British+Irish[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]9.9[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Broadly NWE[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]10.5[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]SOUTHERN EUROPEAN[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Italian[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Iberian[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Balkan[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Broadly Southern E.[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]BROADLY EUROPEAN[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.5[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

Here is a Czech-Slovak with 3 grandparents from Czechia and 1 from Western Slovakia (it is very similar to Czechs):

[TABLE="width: 235"]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]3CZ+1SK[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]EASTERN EUROPEAN[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]42.3[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]N.W. EUROPAN[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]32.5[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]French+German[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]3[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Scandinavian[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.6[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]British+Irish[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1.3[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Broadly NWE[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]27.6[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]SOUTHERN EUROPEAN[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]10.4[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Italian[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Iberian[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Balkan[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]7.1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Broadly Southern E.[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]3.2[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]BROADLY EUROPEAN[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]14.6[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
 
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