If you are a euopean, so you are a descendant of these people.
There are 100% European who descended from European Muslims. Europeans are also descendants from Pagans. I don't think one religion was better than the other, and made better Europeans.
Ergo Utopia. It never existed and never will be. Especialy
in muslim countries or under muslims rule. Your free world
is only a product of christian european civilization, which
you are attacing, becoming an ally to muslims, who will
destroy your free world with great plesure.
In middle ages most developed, progressive and tolerant place in Europe was Islamic Andalusia.
Refreshment class from Bethany Hughes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFnqyx1Y_jg&index=7&list=PLzKyo9YG-zfpBnh8oQhB7vTEf00UB99Gs
The point is things change. There is no reason to suspect that one day Islam will not reform the way Christianity did, or follow the way Albanian and Bosnian Muslims behave.
I'm not scared. I know Islam. And I know Europe. European
civilization is nearly dead, and this so called "free-wolrd's"
antycivilisation is so weak that muslim's civilization will be
on top, because their culture is better. It is worse of course
than european culture, but much better than "free world's"
anticulture - or rather laking of culture or civilization at all.
I'm not telling, that everything what christians did, was good, because this is impossible in real world.
But I'm telling, that they did much more good than bad, and were more better than any other civilization.
If you are not with christians, you are with muslims - but they will kill you in the and, because they hate
atheists from Free World more, than they only don't like christians. Your choice of course. Christian world
is your cultural home - even if you don't like it. You can built it or destroy it. Your choice.
But only one choice is correct.
I would like to remind you that, 100 years after making Christianity a state religion, Roman Empire collapsed. We lost so much knowledge that it took as 1,000 years to get to the same level of development around 1,500. Some of this recovered knowledge came from the "bad" Muslims who saved Roman and Greek books.
They live in two worlds. Nation came from european background, but culture frome another. As
you can see in Kosovo, Bosnia and Turkey - they are becoming more muslim than european. And
they will be chosing that path always - because they are muslims on the fist place. "Free-world"
cannot change it, you cannot convert them on the freeworldism - you can only try to convert them
to Christianity. For exaple, in Europe (or in Canada I suppose too) does not exists somthing like
Coptic immigration problem. Why? Because they can very well asimilate here. Why? Because they
are christians, not muslims. Without Christianity european civilisantion would never exist. Without
Carl Martel, Crusaders and Reconquista, Europe would be a muslim continent, and you will never
be a Free-World-Wishfull-Thinking-Man, because this civilization would never and ever aloud you
do do such a thing. And maybe Canada be still not discovert, or would be muslim too.
One big pot of dung. You are talking exactly like a Muslim radical: "We are the truth, the light and salvation of the world", the only difference is that you are a Christian.
Because Islam didn't built a global civilization, but Christianity did.
So, if you belive in evolution, this is the proof. After all, Christianity
conquered all islamic states, give them technology and so on. Do
you know for example, that printing was not use in islamic states,
even 400 years after Gutenberg, and almost only printing arabic
books (Koran too) were print in Europe by christians?
So which civilization was better and more openminded? Their or our?
You should skip religious classes to avoid further degeneration of your logic.
Neither religion stands behind modern world of freedom and plenty. We have our modern civilization due to segregation of religion from science, segregation of religion from judicial system, segregation of religion from politics. Religions are always very conservative and stand in way of the progress. To give women right to vote we had to fight against position of church and devotees. To train doctors on corpses we had to fight church position against desecrating dead bodies. To introduce democracy we needed to fight church supported monarchs and whole feudal system. To use anti-conception and artificial insamination we still need to fight catholic church position. etc etc
More on the subject here in this thread:
http://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/26958-Is-modern-Europe-product-of-christian-values
No just because I was born, but because evidens showing me, that
christianity is the best, and no one never invent anything better.
Spoken like a good Christian, Muslim, Hindu, Pagan. "My god and religion is the best and only true one!"
Yes it is.
Nobleman from Grand Duchy of Lithuania was called lithuanian or "charder",
and nobleman form Crown of Kingdom of Poland was called "Crowner".
They both were sarmatians and that was = Poles.
In Lithuania official language was oldrussian and in Crown latin.
By the way, so called Lithuania was the first (sub)state in the world
where polish was oficcial language - not Poland. Why? Because all
elites were polinized and they were lithuanians only in political sense.
No, I don't. But historians do. Westeuropeans in 17. and 18. century did the same.
This is something like Great Britain which many calls simply... England.
And I thought you called Rzeczpospolita Poland, because it makes you feel better as a proud Pole. Will Scots call Great Britain England? Though proud English and some misinformed foreigners will. As for an educated person we expect better from you.
