Southern Italian Ethnogenesis (My theory)

No response, good. Because my theory is better thought out, coincides with mainstream papers on the topic, and is yield from 1000s of hours of analysis. I've personally downloaded and processed those samples myself; thousands of them. I am more informed on the pertinent data and nuances. I remember arguing with you on anthrogenica, I was Fourilegge. I'm happy you're here so I can point out how wrong you were/are. This time I won't be shutdown and banned by imbecile moderators or a zerg rush of low-IQ posters, and shouted down in their thuggish ignorance. My theory is Iron-clade, as I have demonstrated.

In all honesty I do not think it is a good idea to declare gulty by association Er Monnezza because he is more active on Anthrogenica; honestly I do not find such tribalistic reasoning really well placed, though Anthrogenica is full of compulsive liars, but it is no use to adopt the same thuggish tactic.
 
No response, good. Because my theory is better thought out, coincides with mainstream papers on the topic, and is yield from 1000s of hours of analysis. I've personally downloaded and processed those samples myself; thousands of them. I am more informed on the pertinent data and nuances. I remember arguing with you on anthrogenica, I was Fourilegge. I'm happy you're here so I can point out how wrong you were/are. This time I won't be shutdown and banned by imbecile moderators or a zerg rush of low-IQ posters, and shouted down in their thuggish ignorance. My theory is Iron-clade, as I have demonstrated.

You have not received an answer because this is already the third time I have explained why Anatolia cannot be the sole source of the eastern ancestry of southern Italians. Look at Levant_PPNB, Campania has almost the same levels as central Anatolia, and the Rome_Imperial average has even more.

SampleTUR_Barcin_NGEO_CHGLevant_PPNBIRN_Ganj_Dareh_NRUS_Samara_HG
ITA_Rome_Imperial47,313,81911,28,7
TUR_Kaman-Kalehoyuk_MLBA54,817,213,814,20
Italian_Campania53,510,512,9914,1
TUR_Isparta_EBA61,416,78,113,80
 
You have not received an answer because this is already the third time I have explained why Anatolia cannot be the sole source of the eastern ancestry of southern Italians. Look at Levant_PPNB, Campania has almost the same levels as central Anatolia, and the Rome_Imperial average has even more.

SampleTUR_Barcin_NGEO_CHGLevant_PPNBIRN_Ganj_Dareh_NRUS_Samara_HG
ITA_Rome_Imperial47,313,81911,28,7
TUR_Kaman-Kalehoyuk_MLBA54,817,213,814,20
Italian_Campania53,510,512,9914,1
TUR_Isparta_EBA61,416,78,113,80

Oh lord, Imperial Roman. That's not even a legitimate construct. There is C5 and C4. The study separated them.

Natufian is not "Eastern".... I already explained that to you. Natufian is Anatolia_N + Taforalt.

Anatolia_ChL and Anatolia_BA are in fact mixed with CHG, as is Minoan. They are more "eastern".

That's definitely more than the third time I have explained that.

Oh lord, Imperial Roman. That's not even a legitimate construct. There is C5 and C4. The study separated them.
Ah now I remember, I told you that and you said it was over complicated. What is overcomplicated? Following what the data actually shows?
 
You have not received an answer because this is already the third time I have explained why Anatolia cannot be the sole source of the eastern ancestry of southern Italians. Look at Levant_PPNB, Campania has almost the same levels as central Anatolia, and the Rome_Imperial average has even more.

SampleTUR_Barcin_NGEO_CHGLevant_PPNBIRN_Ganj_Dareh_NRUS_Samara_HG
ITA_Rome_Imperial47,313,81911,28,7
TUR_Kaman-Kalehoyuk_MLBA54,817,213,814,20
Italian_Campania53,510,512,9914,1
TUR_Isparta_EBA61,416,78,113,80

Could you provide evidence that the G25 samples are legit? Where are they from? Are they from official studies? I remember that there were many samples from unofficial samplings, such that Davidsky once took a look at the list and expunged some.
not only for Italians but many modern samples in general (for Italians I recall he took out samples taken by Sizzi's collection).

You see, the thing is that in the official papers south Italians don't get such results, which brings me to suspect there's something wrong with G25 ones, and the history of the likes of Sikeliot also shows that there are individuals wanting for some reasons to pass individuals that aren't ethnically Italian as ethnically Italian.
 
Oh lord, Imperial Roman. That's not even a legitimate construct. There is C5 and C4. The study separated them.

I am well aware that they are divided into clusters, but it does not change one iota of what I argued before, which is that they always score too much Levant_PPN to only have Anatolian origins.

It won't let me post links, so I'll leave the name of the PCA on imgur here: 5JTg8wB.png

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8:ITA_Rome_Imperial_RMPR111,0.12862,0.157407,0.013953,-0.033592,0.024004,-0.005578,0.0047,0.000692,-0.000205,0.038634,-0.001461,0.009591,-0.012042,-0.005505,-0.010043,0.009812,0.009909,-0.005574,0.011187,0.006128,-0.008735,-0.00643,-0.004437,-0.000964,0.008263
9:ITA_Rome_Imperial_RMPR132,0.028456,0.139128,-0.009051,-0.07429,0.026159,-0.029562,-0.017391,0.003461,0.050517,0.03098,0.004547,-0.001798,0.003865,-0.007569,0.005972,-0.011535,0.001043,-0.003421,-0.025768,-0.003126,-0.008984,-0.017435,0.011339,-0.011086,0.005389

Average of clusters

Code:
1,0.126344,0.145221,0.0573225,0.015504,0.051548,-0.003347,0.0047,0.0034615,0.026486,0.0289755,-0.0018675,0.008767,-0.014792,-0.015964,0.007804,0.0104085,0.0093225,-0.0015205,-0.0026395,0.0040645,0.0097955,-0.0006185,-0.0060395,-0.0032535,-0.0004195
2,0.10762606,0.15137033,-0.032138944,-0.067901778,0.00011966667,-0.023922611,0.001175,-0.0056793333,-0.0067947778,0.024004611,0.0056023889,0.0033636667,-0.0060207778,0.0032112222,-0.013308222,-0.0048616667,0.0033610556,0.00021111111,0.0020671111,-0.0061417222,-0.0036323889,0.0017860556,-0.0028347778,0.0014258889,0.000019944444
3,0.087643667,0.14894433,-0.047265833,-0.077896833,-0.010001667,-0.024170667,-0.005875,-0.0074996667,0.0079425,0.012300833,0.0029231667,-0.001299,0.0079036667,-0.003624,-0.0061526667,0.0062096667,0.010669833,-0.000084333333,-0.0023673333,0.0040643333,-0.0043881667,0.005482,-0.00041083333,0.00032116667,-0.00085816667
4,0.078538,0.1543605,-0.020176,-0.065892,0.0203115,-0.0303995,-0.0074025,-0.0014995,0.0244405,0.023417,-0.00203,0.002173,0.0025275,-0.004129,-0.006311,-0.0112035,-0.0094525,-0.0043075,-0.010873,-0.010005,-0.00705,-0.00847,0.0035125,-0.0025905,0.0040115
5,0.1120345,0.14957293,-0.010882571,-0.043028214,0.010463429,-0.016554143,-0.0019303571,-0.0056040714,0.0021767143,0.017546571,0.0021108571,0.0019375,-0.0061055,-0.003706,-0.0060103571,-0.00073871429,0.0010617857,0.0020993571,0.00422,-0.0050917857,-0.0015774286,0.0051138571,0.0010650714,-0.0011102857,-0.0004105
6,0.090678667,0.14082,-0.059208333,-0.067722333,-0.023183667,-0.016640667,0.0021933333,-0.0072303333,-0.018134667,-0.0034623333,0.00747,0.00074933333,-0.00049533333,0.00073433333,-0.0034833333,-0.0043753333,-0.0038246667,0.0021116667,0.002472,0.00087533333,0.003785,0.00057666667,0.0030403333,-0.0020483333,0.0055883333
7,0.120652,0.146236,-0.016593,-0.05168,0.004308,-0.019522,-0.0047,-0.007846,-0.021884,0.027882,0.000325,0.01079,-0.014271,-0.003853,-0.020087,0.007558,0.034161,0.003421,0.010559,0.006003,-0.008111,0.001855,-0.005916,-0.005422,-0.007185
8,0.12862,0.157407,0.013953,-0.033592,0.024004,-0.005578,0.0047,0.000692,-0.000205,0.038634,-0.001461,0.009591,-0.012042,-0.005505,-0.010043,0.009812,0.009909,-0.005574,0.011187,0.006128,-0.008735,-0.00643,-0.004437,-0.000964,0.008263
9,0.028456,0.139128,-0.009051,-0.07429,0.026159,-0.029562,-0.017391,0.003461,0.050517,0.03098,0.004547,-0.001798,0.003865,-0.007569,0.005972,-0.011535,0.001043,-0.003421,-0.025768,-0.003126,-0.008984,-0.017435,0.011339,-0.011086,0.005389

SampleTUR_Barcin_NGEO_CHGLevant_PPNBIRN_Ganj_Dareh_NRUS_Samara_HG
Cluster 252,416,31512,63,7
TUR_Kaman-Kalehoyuk_MLBA54,817,213,814,20
Italian_Campania53,510,512,9914,1
Cluster 552,411,812,7914,1
TUR_Isparta_EBA61,416,78,113,80

Natufian is not "Eastern".... I already explained that to you. Natufian is Anatolia_N + Taforalt.

Anatolia_ChL and Anatolia_BA are in fact mixed with CHG, as is Minoan. They are more "eastern".

That's definitely more than the third time I have explained that.

I mean eastern in a geographical sense. We have too few Natufian samples, but there is also a bit of Iran_N component among them and of course among Levant_PPN as well. However, the fit is too high, they are not perfectly modelable like this, or at least not to the extent that you can model EHG as WHG + ANE.

Target: Levant_Natufian:I0861
Distance: 0.1470% / 0.14696976
32.7 TUR_Boncuklu_N:ZHAG_BON004___BC_7950___Coverage_67.13%
31.9 MAR_Taforalt:TAF013___BC_12550___Coverage_84.93%
19.6 TUR_Pinarbasi_HG:ZBC_IPB001___BC_13461___Coverage_73.74%
15.8 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N:I1290___BC_7856___Coverage_72.82%

Target: Levant_Natufian_contam:I1072
Distance: 0.1540% / 0.15399160
59.5 TUR_Boncuklu_N:ZHAG_BON004___BC_7950___Coverage_67.13%
37.7 MAR_Taforalt:TAF013___BC_12550___Coverage_84.93%
2.8 IRN_Wezmeh_N:WC1___BC_7264___Coverage_99.82%

Target: Levant_PPNB:BAJ001
Distance: 0.1191% / 0.11909858
62.6 TUR_Boncuklu_N:ZHAG_BON004___BC_7950___Coverage_67.13%
22.4 MAR_Taforalt:TAF013___BC_12550___Coverage_84.93%
10.3 IRN_Wezmeh_N:WC1___BC_7264___Coverage_99.82%
4.7 TUR_Pinarbasi_HG:ZBC_IPB001___BC_13461___Coverage_73.74%

Target: Levant_PPNB:I0867
Distance: 0.1091% / 0.10913799
31.9 TUR_Boncuklu_N:ZMOJ_BON014___BC_7950___Coverage_45.31%
31.1 TUR_Pinarbasi_HG:ZBC_IPB001___BC_13461___Coverage_73.74%
10.1 TUR_Boncuklu_N:ZKO_BON001___BC_7950___Coverage_50.63%
9.4 MAR_Taforalt:TAF011___BC_12500___Coverage_88.13%
7.0 TUR_Boncuklu_N:ZHAG_BON004___BC_7950___Coverage_67.13%
6.7 MAR_Taforalt:TAF013___BC_12550___Coverage_84.93%
3.8 IRN_Wezmeh_N:WC1___BC_7264___Coverage_99.82%

Target: Levant_PPNB:I1707
Distance: 0.1099% / 0.10991360
38.9 TUR_Boncuklu_N:ZHAG_BON004___BC_7950___Coverage_67.13%
29.3 TUR_Pinarbasi_HG:ZBC_IPB001___BC_13461___Coverage_73.74%
15.5 MAR_Taforalt:TAF013___BC_12550___Coverage_84.93%
13.0 IRN_Wezmeh_N:WC1___BC_7264___Coverage_99.82%
3.3 TUR_Boncuklu_N:ZMOJ_BON014___BC_7950___Coverage_45.31%

Target: Levant_PPNB:I1710
Distance: 0.1071% / 0.10705677
53.9 TUR_Boncuklu_N:ZKO_BON001___BC_7950___Coverage_50.63%
26.0 TUR_Pinarbasi_HG:ZBC_IPB001___BC_13461___Coverage_73.74%
10.6 MAR_Taforalt:TAF011___BC_12500___Coverage_88.13%
4.8 TUR_Boncuklu_N:ZMOJ_BON014___BC_7950___Coverage_45.31%
4.7 IRN_Wezmeh_N:WC1___BC_7264___Coverage_99.82%

Target: Levant_PPNB_contam:I1704
Distance: 0.1051% / 0.10514663
33.7 TUR_Boncuklu_N:ZHAG_BON004___BC_7950___Coverage_67.13%
27.8 TUR_Boncuklu_N:ZMOJ_BON014___BC_7950___Coverage_45.31%
16.4 MAR_Taforalt:TAF013___BC_12550___Coverage_84.93%
15.2 TUR_Pinarbasi_HG:ZBC_IPB001___BC_13461___Coverage_73.74%
6.9 IRN_Wezmeh_N:WC1___BC_7264___Coverage_99.82%

Target: Levant_PPNC:I1699
Distance: 0.1148% / 0.11483060
49.1 TUR_Boncuklu_N:ZHAG_BON004___BC_7950___Coverage_67.13%
25.6 TUR_Pinarbasi_HG:ZBC_IPB001___BC_13461___Coverage_73.74%
18.4 MAR_Taforalt:TAF011___BC_12500___Coverage_88.13%
6.9 IRN_Wezmeh_N:WC1___BC_7264___Coverage_99.82%
 
Could you provide evidence that the G25 samples are legit? Where are they from? Are they from official studies? I remember that there were many samples from unofficial samplings, such that Davidsky once took a look at the list and expunged some.
not only for Italians but many modern samples in general (for Italians I recall he took out samples taken by Sizzi's collection).

You see, the thing is that in the official papers south Italians don't get such results, which brings me to suspect there's something wrong with G25 ones, and the history of the likes of Sikeliot also shows that there are individuals wanting for some reasons to pass individuals that aren't ethnically Italian as ethnically Italian.

Sizzi has absolutely nothing to do with either Global25 or Davidski. The individuals for modern samples were taken from official studies and especially from Raveane if I am not mistaken. It got it right with me anyway; I am half Lucanian and half Campanian.

Code:
Distance to:	Ajeje_Brazorf_scaled
0.01527052	Italian_Campania
0.01828729	Italian_Basilicata
0.01893976	Italian_Apulia
0.01966552	Italian_Calabria
0.02057558	Sicilian_East
0.02190541	Greek_Deep_Mani
0.02238168	Italian_Abruzzo
0.02343119	Ashkenazi_Germany
0.02382586	Maltese
0.02546476	Italian_Molise
0.02627601	Greek_Crete
0.02633205	Italian_Lazio
0.02656083	Sicilian_West
0.02668553	Ashkenazi_Poland
0.02715113	Italian_Jew
0.02779183	Ashkenazi_Belarussia
0.02817368	Ashkenazi_Ukraine
0.02907953	Greek_South_Tsakonia
0.02954357	Greek_Izmir
0.02984856	Ashkenazi_Lithuania
 
Natufians from an anthropometric sense aren't Eastern, they're Mediterranids now most commonly found in the Northern Mediterranean. Puglia hosts the population most similar.

What does this mean, I'm trying to follow.
 
Sizzi has absolutely nothing to do with either Global25 or Davidski. The individuals for modern samples were taken from official studies and especially from Raveane if I am not mistaken. It got it right with me anyway; I am half Lucanian and half Campanian.
Code:
Distance to:	Ajeje_Brazorf_scaled
0.01527052	Italian_Campania
0.01828729	Italian_Basilicata
0.01893976	Italian_Apulia
0.01966552	Italian_Calabria
0.02057558	Sicilian_East
0.02190541	Greek_Deep_Mani
0.02238168	Italian_Abruzzo
0.02343119	Ashkenazi_Germany
0.02382586	Maltese
0.02546476	Italian_Molise
0.02627601	Greek_Crete
0.02633205	Italian_Lazio
0.02656083	Sicilian_West
0.02668553	Ashkenazi_Poland
0.02715113	Italian_Jew
0.02779183	Ashkenazi_Belarussia
0.02817368	Ashkenazi_Ukraine
0.02907953	Greek_South_Tsakonia
0.02954357	Greek_Izmir
0.02984856	Ashkenazi_Lithuania
I couldn't care less what G25 or Davidski says. Show me a paper, Sarno et al. 2022 doesn't use PPN Levant to model Italians.
 
What does this mean, I'm trying to follow.

It's back to studying Admixture by looking at body measurements.

He'll be analyzing bumps on the skull next. :LOL:

It's the wanna be Jewish Italian and Portuguese Princess uniting for an assault.

If it weren't so pathetically sad, it would be hilarious.

Every single body buried in Italy during the Imperial period was that of a permanent, green card carrying immigrant whose descendants went into the gene pool.

Only in other places in the Med were there merchants who were irrelevant to the future genetics of the people.

That's not to say that some of them didn't stay, including some from the Levant, nor is it to say that perhaps there wasn't more Levant in Iron Age Anatolians and Greeks, because it's possible, but these jokers have to exaggerate everything to make their agendas based on mental health issues the "truth".

@Leopoldo,
Back on dna forums, Sickelliot, here under a sock account, would contact every Italian he could find, pretending to be another Italian who was doing a study or whatever, and these poor people gave him their data. They had no idea the uses to which it would be put.

Thing is, I had a large collection of Sicilian and Southern Italian samples too, and they didn't look like his samples. Some did, but not all. For example, none of my Calabrian samples, of which I had many, had more than 2-3% North African, but his had large numbers. I challenged him, of course, and he swore up and down those were real samples.

Still didn't make sense. He either cherry picked them, showing only the ones with the most "eastern" ancestry, in his uneducated understanding, or he played with their coordinates, changing them to show what he wanted.

Once someone shows they're dishonest, you can never trust anything they say again. That's why you can impeach witnesses by showing they've lied in the past. You know, there was an Alabama governor who staffed the residence with prisoners in for murder. He said that most murderers usually murder only once, and sometimes for a good reason but liars and thieves always lie and steal.

I had the same experience with Davidski. Caught him talking with a Russian guy about faking results back before he was so careful. Never believed another result he published.
 
I couldn't care less what G25 or Davidski says. Show me a paper, Sarno et al. 2022 doesn't use PPN Levant to model Italians.

And I, on the other hand, couldn't care less what the papers say. I have done this before. It matters little whether she uses Levant_PPN or not, she clearly says that the Levantine stuff is there.

Stefania Sarno said:
Comparisons with modern and ancient populations highlighted ancient, long-lasting genetic links with Eastern Mediterranean and Caucasian/Near-Eastern groups as ancestral sources of Southern Italians.

In fact, populations from Southern Italy globally form a clade that is related to the Caucasian Adygei group and, at a more basal level, to the Near Eastern clusters formed by Palestinians and Druze, respectively.

Stefania Sarno said:
Besides a predominant Neolithic background, we identify traces of Post-Neolithic Levantine- and Caucasus-related ancestries.

We assembled an extended dataset consisting of 1,469 individuals from 68 modern populations, together with 263 ancient samples, and we ran PCA and ADMIXTURE analyses
 
Anatolian_N/CHG (you know, "near eastern ") went in all directions, that is the base of the Mediterranean cline. It also went into other parts of the Near east, including Druze and Palestinian. It doesn't imply heavily Natufian populations went into Greece and Italy. Anatolian was genetically impregnable during this time, i.e. only 5% Natufian. But practically speaking Anatolian_N/CHG.
 
In all honesty I do not think it is a good idea to declare gulty by association Er Monnezza because he is more active on Anthrogenica; honestly I do not find such tribalistic reasoning really well placed, though Anthrogenica is full of compulsive liars, but it is no use to adopt the same thuggish tactic.

well said

There are liars in every site on every platform on the web
 
Sizzi has absolutely nothing to do with either Global25 or Davidski. The individuals for modern samples were taken from official studies and especially from Raveane if I am not mistaken. It got it right with me anyway; I am half Lucanian and half Campanian.

Code:
Distance to:    Ajeje_Brazorf_scaled
0.01527052    Italian_Campania
0.01828729    Italian_Basilicata
0.01893976    Italian_Apulia
0.01966552    Italian_Calabria
0.02057558    Sicilian_East
0.02190541    Greek_Deep_Mani
0.02238168    Italian_Abruzzo
0.02343119    Ashkenazi_Germany
0.02382586    Maltese
0.02546476    Italian_Molise
0.02627601    Greek_Crete
0.02633205    Italian_Lazio
0.02656083    Sicilian_West
0.02668553    Ashkenazi_Poland
0.02715113    Italian_Jew
0.02779183    Ashkenazi_Belarussia
0.02817368    Ashkenazi_Ukraine
0.02907953    Greek_South_Tsakonia
0.02954357    Greek_Izmir
0.02984856    Ashkenazi_Lithuania

I have checked the Raveanne supplementaries and I couldn't find the individuals listed in the G25 official datasate (file 1, https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.aaw3492 , cluster composition FMD, from row 2687 to 2717); those labelled with "Italian_Campania:CMP_" and the two "Italian_Campania:ITS[number]", those with "Italian_Campania:Na...." have a nomenclature that appears similar to what listed in raveanne, but those exact individuals I haven't found; I have tried to search on Parolo 2015 (where all Campanian samples in raveanne 2019 are from) but I couldn't find a file with the list of the samples labelled.
 
Anatolian_N/CHG (you know, "near eastern ") went in all directions, that is the base of the Mediterranean cline.

No, Sarno defined EEF as "Sardinian-like" and CHG as "Caucasus-like," well differentiated from "Near-Eastern".

It doesn't imply heavily Natufian populations went into Greece and Italy. Anatolian was genetically impregnable during this time, i.e. only 5% Natufian. But practically speaking Anatolian_N/CHG.

For the record, many studies do not even use CHG, but you don't see anyone arguing that CHG should not be used. What you cannot accept is simply that you have too much Natufian/PPN even for the tastes of MLBA Central Anatolians.

SampleTUR_Barcin_NGEO_CHGLevant_PPNBIRN_Ganj_Dareh_NRUS_Samara_HG
TUR_Kaman-Kalehoyuk_MLBA54,817,213,814,20
Italian_Apulia55,91210,16,715,3

SampleTUR_Barcin_NGEO_CHGIRN_Ganj_Dareh_NRUS_Samara_HGLevant_Natufian
TUR_Kaman-Kalehoyuk_MLBA62,316,51506,2
Italian_Apulia60,412,26,814,85,8
 
No, Sarno defined EEF as "Sardinian-like" and CHG as "Caucasus-like," well differentiated from "Near-Eastern".



For the record, many studies do not even use CHG, but you don't see anyone arguing that CHG should not be used. What you cannot accept is simply that you have too much Natufian/PPN even for the tastes of MLBA Central Anatolians.

SampleTUR_Barcin_NGEO_CHGLevant_PPNBIRN_Ganj_Dareh_NRUS_Samara_HG
TUR_Kaman-Kalehoyuk_MLBA54,817,213,814,20
Italian_Apulia55,91210,16,715,3

SampleTUR_Barcin_NGEO_CHGIRN_Ganj_Dareh_NRUS_Samara_HGLevant_Natufian
TUR_Kaman-Kalehoyuk_MLBA62,316,51506,2
Italian_Apulia60,412,26,814,85,8

Anatolian is near eastern do you struggle with geography?
 
And I, on the other hand, couldn't care less what the papers say. I have done this before. It matters little whether she uses Levant_PPN or not, she clearly says that the Levantine stuff is there.

C'mon, we've already settled that Sarno 2017 was flawed (since we ought to conclude that Anatolian_neolithic had yemeni-like gene flows as well as north Europeans in the BA), and Sarno 2021's caucasian/near eastern ancestral sources are whatever brought extra CHG in the bronze age, since it then goes on to say that southern Italians are particuarly close to ancient BA Minoans and Myceneans samples (and the leaks show also to ancient Greeks). How you infer from that that you need extra southern (Levantine/southern eastern Anatolian) ancestry is your problem to be honest.
The clade branching seems a bit odd to me, I'll be honest, but it included only very northern Italians (Bergamo) and no Greeks, so I wonder what other results you'd have seen if those were included.
 

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