The Armenians, fathers of the Etruscans.

And what hg did these ones have? The main italics/latins where R1b men that later merged with incoming Etruscans.
Which Celts? Yeah, I do agree with you, that true Italians that spoke Latin were mostly R1b folks. Latin is connected to R1b. But, once again, ORIGINIAL Romans were not the same as modern-day Italians. Although there's a continuation between the 2 groups. The foundingfathers of the Roman Empire were Etruscans, but the Etruscans were a minority in Italy. It happens lots of time that minority of 'ELITES' absorbing language of the majority.
 
By the time of the Romans, R1b was the only thing dominating Italy, and the in-coming J2. Trust me...the Etruscans where no "elites", its the other way around pretty much, the r1b men pioneered the Roman Empire, they where fierce warriors, they incorporated the "Etruscans" and took them along for the ride pretty much is what happened. They fusioned both cultures, with the Latin one being dominant and respected the Etruscans gods and people's, but they themselves where no middle-easterners, they where continental Europeans.
 
By the time of the Romans, R1b was the only thing dominating Italy, and the in-coming J2. Trust me...the Etruscans where no "elites", its the other way around pretty much, the r1b men pioneered the Roman Empire, they where fierce warriors, they incorporated the "Etruscans" and took them along for the ride pretty much is what happened.

You have no scientific studies to back up your claims that the Latin Romans were mainly R1b.

Many could have been J2 or G or any other haplogroup.

One cannot glibly make unsupported statements as if they were scientific fact.
 
Many Etruscans, incorporated into the Romans later where J2. As for G, G2a the P15 in particular it moved from Caucasus through Anatolia then Greece then southern Italy then Sardinia where it is responsible for Nuraghic culture and found in 20% of Sardinian males in certain regions, highest levels of G2a in Europe. They left no precisely strong mark on Italy and set up no famous or well-known italian-mainland civilization; a very secondary and unsuccessful genetic element overall, although its found in 8-9% of italian males, certain pockets in the south have maximums of 15%. Some of them where also fused to Romans , but had very secondary presence overall.
 
Latin is an Indo-European language and is related to R1b. There were just much more R1b people in amount than 'Anatolian' Etruscans. After the unification of the 2 groups hg. R1b are still dominating the Romans. The 'flesh' of R1b people made it possible to expand to other regions. But the founding fathers of the Roman Empire were still Etruscans. The majority of the romanempire were R1b folks, of course their language, Latin was a language of common people.

J2 was the brain and soul, R1b was the flesh & heart (soldiers, equipment, tools) of the ROMAN Empire in the early stage.
 
We can settle for that lol I like your statement and this is my personal belief! : )
 
As for the Etruscans, its often debated that they where either Mycenaean Greeks, western ANATOLIANS or even more exotic elements such as Armenians. They competed with the Greeks but received much cultural influence from them, even slightly "hellenizing" their gods and religious beliefs. If the Etruscans where in fact related to Lydians as is assumed, it becomes easy to see, through Lydian religious gods and customs, how we start getting much closer to the Middle East, sharing gods with Assyrians and such people's. as for linguistic evidence, Etruscan is not very as greek is, upon analyzing modern day Armenian although, it becomes clear that Etruscan is shockingly similar to Armenian, which has already been proposed as being home of the original pelasgians, Phrygians, etc. an excellent book to read would be Robert Ellis's " The Armenian origin of the Etruscans" written based on cultural, historical and linguistic evidence. Once upon a time, the roman tongue expanded and killed off most expanding Celtic languages. And once upon a time, the greek tongue expanded, killing off "Armenian" dialects which where spread from Italy to Asia Minor and in Armenia, until the only dialect akin to Armenian left was Armenian itself, still spoken upon the throne of its origin in Armenia herself. The Thracian race was traced from the far frontiers of Medea to the doorstep of central Italy. Some of the furthest to the east of this race where the Armenians. The furthest to th west where the Etruscans and raetians.
 
Long ago the Armenian race stretched from the saraparae of media all the way to the Lydians/Phrygians of western Anatolia, but these western-Anatolian elements where cut off from the main seat of the Thraki ( Armenia) by a Syrian race near Syria and eastern turkey. The my diane, Lydians, lycians and Carians where all of this Armenia race.
 
Good study; an Etruscan-Turkish link.
 
Latin is an Indo-European language and is related to R1b. There were just much more R1b people in amount than 'Anatolian' Etruscans. After the unification of the 2 groups hg. R1b are still dominating the Romans. The 'flesh' of R1b people made it possible to expand to other regions. But the founding fathers of the Roman Empire were still Etruscans. The majority of the romanempire were R1b folks, of course their language, Latin was a language of common people.

J2 was the brain and soul, R1b was the flesh & heart (soldiers, equipment, tools) of the ROMAN Empire in the early stage.

Mere rhetoric.

Prove the link between the Latin language and haplogroup R1b.
 
Oh, I can't.

R1b (maybe with J2) is connected to Indo-European CENTUM languages. Latin was an Indo-European languages evolved from a more archaic 'Italic' language. Modern descendant of the 'Italic' language group is Latin. Latin was a main source of Romance languages subgroup.

Romance languages = Italian, French, Spanish, Portuguese and Romanian. Except Romania in all those countries R1b is a dominant haplogroup.

The second biggest haplogroup in Spain, Portugal and Italy = J2. And there’s also lots of J2 in France and Romania. In Romania there's even more J2 than in West European countries.

I believe there's a correlation between hg. R1b, J2 and Romance languages (Centum).
 
There have been many migrations of celts to the italian peninsula ( golasecca Gauls, polada culture, there was a Gaulish substratum across veneto and all of northern Italy, the pre-Etruscan Villanova culture of central Italy showed many links to Halstatt and unetice cultures, all these cultures of continental European Italians, can be linked to the latins. The latins where a similar group, if not even descendants of one of these pre-Etruscan cultures that dominated Italy several thousand years before small bands of middle easterners arrived by sea. The Etruscans had their own tongue, barbaric and exotic to Europe; it clusters today very close with modern Armenian, it was nothing like Latin, although the latins may have borrowed a few words from it. But overall, the Latin tongue differed significantly from the Etruscan one. I believe solely in a link between the spread of Latin via r1b u152 people, and its adoption by other R1b people's predominantly, as the Etruscan language was not even indo-European; a language isolate borrowing more from archaic euboean greek dialects and Phoenician.
 
In fact, it may be that Etruscan resembles Armenian ( even though the latter is European) and that one of the sub-families of pelasgian Greeks possibly Achaeans but I would say Ionians, where themselves also a Thracian/Armenian extension. As the Hittites spoke an indo-European language as well it is often theorized that ancient Hittites also found their origins in the Thracian race with its throne in Armenia.
 
Robert Ellis and "The Armenian origins of the Etruscans" an amazing book to read and downloadable and made free over the Internet to read! Just write the author and book into google, go to page 1, and read away : ) Robert Ellis based his hypothesis primarily upon history and linguistics, an extremely capable linguist, he was shocked upon discovering the marked similarity between modern-day Armenian and a certain language/culture that flourished in the hills of north-central Italy. Until he realized, the Thracian race was centred upon Armenia and there where several other Armenian dialects spread by Armenian colonizers: pelasgians, Phrygians, Etruscans, Lydians....sea people's possibly! The Thracian race was once spread out from Armenia to the hills of Tuscany, but these languages where conquered and went extinct, other than in the throne of these thracians, Armenia herself.
 
They where not "natives" from Italy forever as the Paleolithic celts where, they where more recent Neolithic arrivers from the middle East to Italy, you should be embarrassed about the comment you just posted.
 
Keeping in mind that everyone was born in Africa, even Chinese at some point in distant past came from middle east. So no surprise that Etruscan too came from there. Keeping also in mind that Airplanes were not invented at that time, any suggestion that Etruscan s came from Turkey, Armenia, Middle East, Left Side East or Right side East is bolloni, ignorance, delusion. Etruscan s were a people that developed there in Italy. Basks too don.t have an indoeuropean language like the Etruscans, does it make them Turks also?
 
No because 90% of basques are R1b. The Etruscans came by boat, which by the way existed at the time. You give a weak argument. Ever heard of archaic forms of naval travel? Wooden boats?
 
Really! The boats existed? I did not know Armenia is a coastal country. How the people of Turkey in the ancient times new about existence Of Italic peninsula? They had cell phones!?How come the Etruscan s found an empty space in the peninsula that nobody opposed them? If they came from middle east they should have known to build pyramids. In how many ships did they come?Why there by the way? They were developed there as people and they show in their artifacts contacts with Greek culture as a result of trade.
 

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