The diverse genetic origins of a Classical period Greek army

The following Himera samples seem to be Classical Greek based on their G25s profiles:

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I made a average of their G25s, as a proxy for classical Greeks.

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You're putting the cart before the horse. If you want "certainty", first you need Classical Era Greek samples from Greece and then you can compare them to the Himera samples.

However just for the fun of it, I'd like to run my husband against the samples. Can you post all their coordinates?
 
These are the individual coordinates:

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I tried them on modern Greek averages. They seem right.
 
These are the individual coordinates:

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I tried them on modern Greek averages. They seem right.

Excuse me? How can you know that? Modern Greeks are not Classical Greeks.

Can you post some results from comparisons with academic Greek samples?
 
I based it on this comparison:

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I had ancient Italian values there too and filtered them out until I was left with 8, of whom I only selected six. Now I have decided to exclude the two individuals with noticeable ancient Armenian mixture as it creates problems, Alb profiles are attracted to it, and it all comes from the Arm_Noratus being built in, which is the main MENA component in the modern Balkans.

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This is one of those things I'll be checking on every day until it is released.
I can understand
As there is a huge chance we going to
See r1b-z2103 in this paper;)
Along with g, j, I,t
And maybe even some e-v13
 
I based it on this comparison:

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I had ancient Italian values there too and filtered them out until I was left with 8, of whom I only selected six. Now I have decided to exclude the two individuals with noticeable ancient Armenian mixture as it creates problems, Alb profiles are attracted to it, and it all comes from the Arm_Noratus being built in, which is the main MENA component in the modern Balkans.

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You have too many source populations, some of which are from the wrong area. There's only one comparison which needs to be made to answer the question as to how similar the modern Greeks are to the Mycenaeans: the Himera samples versus the Mycenaeans. That has nothing to do with Albania or North Makedonia.

Please just provide the link where I can find the coordinates for the modern Greek samples.
 
These are the Himera samples which Paleo provided.

The results bear out what I've posted numerous times in more than one thread: the ancient Greek warriors of Humira are REMARKABLY similar to the Mycenaeans, which is extraordinary given the passage of time. As the new paper on the Aegeans found, the ancient Greeks, at least until the late Iron Age, practiced endogamy, and that is perhaps the reason that the genomic signature remained stable.

Now that I've proved it to you guys using your beloved G25, can we consider the matter settled?

Well, Paleo, if you read this, could you provide the coordinates for the Himera samples which you "discarded"? In fact, it would be good to have all of the "Greek" like samples. I'm bothering you again because the link you provided to the Eurogenes site doesn't seem to have the Himera samples, unless I just don't know what he calls them.

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0.02731350GRC_Mycenaean_Attica_BA:I15571
0.03159807GRC_Mycenaean_Palace_of_Nestor_BA:I13514
0.03346409GRC_Mycenaean_Palace_of_Nestor_BA:I19364
0.03571646GRC_Mycenaean_Palace_of_Nestor_BA:I13518
0.03927105GRC_Mycenaean_Palace_of_Nestor_BA:I19366
0.04119980GRC_Mycenaean:I9041
0.04148784GRC_Peloponnese_N:I3920
0.04201898GRC_Koufonisi_Cycladic_EBA:Kou01
0.04294179GRC_Mycenaean_Palace_of_Nestor_BA:I13506
0.04359142GRC_Kastrouli_Anc:I17962
0.04543419GRC_Minoan_Lassithi:I0071
0.04858077GRC_Mycenaean_Attica_BA:I16709
0.04948387GRC_Koufonisi_Cycladic_EBA:Kou03
0.05034393GRC_Manika_Helladic_EBA:Mik15
0.05223663GRC_Mycenaean_Kastrouli_BA:I13577
0.05239355GRC_Mycenaean:I9006
0.05243202GRC_Mycenaean_Palace_of_Nestor_BA:I13517
0.05321447GRC_Minoan_Kephala_Petras:pta08
0.05335294GRC_Mycenaean:I9033
0.05570593GRC_Mycenaean_Attica_BA:I15582
0.05648378GRC_Mycenaean:I9010
0.05664967GRC_Minoan_Lassithi:I0070
0.05667533AJF
0.05691519GRC_Mycenaean_Kastrouli_BA:I13578
0.05707814GRC_Minoan_Lassithi:I0073
0.05709354GRC_Minoan_Lassithi:I0074
0.05911598GRC_Peloponnese_N:I3709
0.06305633GRC_Minoan_Lassithi:I9005
0.06341366GRC_Palace_of_Nestor_EIA:I19368
0.06510218GRC_Minoan_Zakros_BA:I14916
0.06670118GRC_Logkas_MBA:Log02
0.06854976GRC_Minoan_Odigitria_low_res:I9130
0.07096271GRC_Peloponnese_N:I3708
0.07332656GRC_Minoan_Odigitria_low_res:I9131
0.07768568GRC_Peloponnese_N:I2937
0.07770512GRC_Minoan_Odigitria_low_res:I9129
0.07978948GRC_Marathon_Rom:I7833
0.08790797GRC_Peloponnese_N:I2318
0.09216149GRC_Logkas_MBA:Log04
0.09640940GRC_N:I5427

Distance to:ITA_Sicily_Himera_409BCE:I17866_J-Z35779
0.02176178GRC_Mycenaean_Palace_of_Nestor_BA:I19366
0.02832345GRC_Mycenaean_Palace_of_Nestor_BA:I13518
0.03024722GRC_Mycenaean:I9041
0.03038320GRC_Mycenaean_Attica_BA:I15571
0.03620426GRC_Mycenaean_Palace_of_Nestor_BA:I13514
0.03671691GRC_Koufonisi_Cycladic_EBA:Kou03
0.03689816GRC_Kastrouli_Anc:I17962
0.03882081GRC_Peloponnese_N:I3920
0.04108396GRC_Mycenaean_Palace_of_Nestor_BA:I13506
0.04199106GRC_Mycenaean_Kastrouli_BA:I13577
0.04230112GRC_Mycenaean:I9006
0.04315774GRC_Koufonisi_Cycladic_EBA:Kou01
0.04509971GRC_Mycenaean_Attica_BA:I15582
0.04785669GRC_Mycenaean_Palace_of_Nestor_BA:I13517
0.04859334GRC_Mycenaean:I9010
0.04883960GRC_Minoan_Lassithi:I0071
0.04956724GRC_Mycenaean_Palace_of_Nestor_BA:I19364
0.04969721GRC_Mycenaean_Kastrouli_BA:I13578
0.05149068GRC_Mycenaean_Attica_BA:I16709
0.05213645GRC_Minoan_Lassithi:I0070
0.05368111GRC_Minoan_Kephala_Petras:pta08
0.05424858GRC_Manika_Helladic_EBA:Mik15
0.05444364GRC_Mycenaean:I9033
0.05464354GRC_Minoan_Lassithi:I9005
0.05584527GRC_Peloponnese_N:I3709
0.05595427AJF
0.05820363GRC_Minoan_Zakros_BA:I14916
0.05839125GRC_Minoan_Lassithi:I0073
0.06100906GRC_Palace_of_Nestor_EIA:I19368
0.06294434GRC_Minoan_Lassithi:I0074
0.06639925GRC_Marathon_Rom:I7833
0.06737655GRC_Logkas_MBA:Log02
0.07060659GRC_Minoan_Odigitria_low_res:I9130
0.07075303GRC_Minoan_Odigitria_low_res:I9131
0.07284823GRC_Peloponnese_N:I3708
0.08169280GRC_Minoan_Odigitria_low_res:I9129
0.08475178GRC_Peloponnese_N:I2318
0.08518796GRC_Peloponnese_N:I2937
0.09592823GRC_Logkas_MBA:Log04
0.09648638GRC_N:I5427
 
Hi Angela, I think my first average made of these six, is the most precise profile of IA Greeks.

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[TD="class: xl65"]ITA_Sicily_Himera_480BCE_1:I7221_G-Z42565,0.120652,0.160454,-0.010559,-0.064923,0.016003,-0.029562,-0.00235,-0.005307,-0.003681,0.033896,0.003573,0.005845,-0.012785,-0.003991,-0.014386,-0.009679,0.012517,0.001014,0.003394,-0.001501,-0.010981,0.007666,-0.004807,0.003735,-0.004071[/TD]
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[TD="class: xl65"]ITA_Sicily_Himera_480BCE_1:I10945_J-Y151557,0.114961,0.15436,-0.011314,-0.050065,0.016926,-0.026216,-0.00376,-0.003231,0.00859,0.039181,-0.000812,0.014387,-0.021556,0.002064,-0.018594,-0.018828,0.01356,-0.002787,0.014581,-0.017633,-0.019341,0.011376,0.001725,0.010965,-0.005269[/TD]
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[TD="class: xl65"]ITA_Sicily_Himera_480BCE_1:I10952_J-Z7706,0.113823,0.162485,0,-0.064277,0.032006,-0.018128,-0.011281,-0.008307,0.007158,0.043372,0.00406,0.008542,-0.013379,0.002064,-0.014794,-0.013259,-0.005085,-0.00038,0.001885,-0.011506,-0.003369,0.010263,0.001972,0.004217,-0.003832[/TD]
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I am basing it on this

cm3wXur.png

NaXKgHt.png



These are the two values I never included in the average, because they seem a bit different, scoring high I10379 Skopje.

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   [TD="class: xl65"]ITA_Sicily_Himera_409BCE:I7224,0.125205,0.165531,0.005657,-0.050065,0.024004,-0.018686,-0.00282,-0.004846,0.020657,0.043372,-0.001949,0.009741,-0.024083,-0.005367,-0.00855,0.000928,0.028163,-0.004941,0.000754,0.002251,-0.007612,0.00136,0.003451,0.008555,-0.006107[/TD]
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I saw one post in anthrogenica, it looks like E-V13 will appear in other Sicilian IA sites 600-300 BC, the affinity being unknown. J2b2-L283 as well. But the sites are Phoenician, of course they could be some mercenaries, but from where? I doubt from far-away countries.

I don't even know how some people are getting to know samples without being published. Feels like cheat-codes when we used to play Counter Strike.
 
I saw one post in anthrogenica, it looks like E-V13 will appear in other Sicilian IA sites 600-300 BC, the affinity being unknown. J2b2-L283 as well. But the sites are Phoenician, of course they could be some mercenaries, but from where? I doubt from far-away countries.

I don't even know how some people are getting to know samples without being published. Feels like cheat-codes when we used to play Counter Strike.
Saw that one too.

Mainly via citizen scientists, archeologists who too have access to certain papers, geneticists or from related fields. Some of them are also active on that forum. Some authors are also willing to share further infos on the prevalence of certain types of data albeit mostly with actual colleagues from the same field and they in turn share it with aDNA enthusiasts. There is also lectures about certain papers prior to being published. Something along these lines.

That is a great way to put it actually
:LOL: I find it just annoying how some like to brag about it and act as though they are guardians of some super secret internal state affairs. Remember the IA Thracian fiasco? That is why I always double check the sources.
 
Which is the branch your leak told you about?


no leak
just a fealing
and that could be the case indeed
there are going to be in this paper:
102 remains from mainland greece , crete, greek islands from neolithic to the iron age periods
probably half or close to half wil be males

so the odds are that we are going to see at least some r1b ;)
 
no leak
just a fealing
and that could be the case indeed
there are going to be in this paper:
102 remains from mainland greece , crete, greek islands from neolithic to the iron age periods
probably half or close to half wil be males

so the odds are that we are going to see at least some r1b ;)

When is the estimated release date?
 
I saw one post in anthrogenica, it looks like E-V13 will appear in other Sicilian IA sites 600-300 BC, the affinity being unknown. J2b2-L283 as well. But the sites are Phoenician, of course they could be some mercenaries, but from where? I doubt from far-away countries.
I don't even know how some people are getting to know samples without being published. Feels like cheat-codes when we used to play Counter Strike.

Fascinating
Phoenician sites
maybe we are going to see also some
E(×v13) like e-v22 branch which is present in modern sicilians
 

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