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Sexual Orientation is a term used to describe patterns of enduring emotional,romantic and sexual attraction. The criteria for this is one thing with heterosexual men and women and another thing for homosexual men or lesbian women. We see this in life, it is there, ergo it exists.
what i am trying to say is we dont know if homosexuality or any sexuality besides hetrosexuality is natural.
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No and No. [And can we leave the Gentiles out of this one]
Sorry i have to use words like gentiles in this subject. If some uses male gentiles for sexuality he is using testosterone and if this person humps he has male sexual brain structure it is not just a sensation. male genetiles and humping is not made for two males if it used that way it is perverted i just cant see in anyway that would be natural. I dont think u can think of a way either.
How do you know this? Where have you read this? And to quote yourself .."give scientific evidence". Your opinion just wont do here.
It is alot easier to say no one is born gay and give evidence than to say people are born gay. Lebrok was saying it is confusing because he was trying to find a natural reason for homosexuality and i was pointing it out to him it is not confusing for me to say it is not natural.
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You are talking about one of the most basic human instincts..the wish to love and be loved, the desire to care and be cared for. This need has no notion of colour or gender.
what does color have to do with it that is a whole different subject. Gender does have to do with this the most basic human instict i am talking about is sex not falling in love that does not have to do with the argument of if homosexuality is natural.
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How do you know this..it`s quite a statement.
Lebrok was mentioned deformaties and that not everyone has the perfect human shape. That is off subject we are specifically talking about is anyone born naturally gay.
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Why? Who is to say what is and what is not natural?
when i say natural i mean someone is pre destined to do something it is in their nature. For example it is in my nature to talk it is in a bear's nature to hunt. I am talking about instinct things that are unlearned.
Yes, I recall recently pointing that out to you when you said this:
I think that point is key we need to stop searching for a gay gene or muatation because it would not be passed down to offspring. Purley gay rams dont have offspring so they either are not naturally gay or there could be another explanation.
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In what way? It has been around for quite some time and society has not been affected
Evloution is about survival a new gene may be better for survival and out survive the old gene so far that is the best explanation for evolution. Homosexuality does not produce offspring so it is just about the worst gene for survival it would only survive one generation and it would not survive in evolution. What about homosexuality in animals animals dont have human society so saying that does not change anything.
Please, spare us the religious lesson and don`t presume to know what other people think about God or if they have or have not read the bible..that is just too arrogant
Lebrok mentioned religion so i responded. Come on every services in Church till 1490's was in Latin why do u think martin Luther was so PO'ed. Why do u think christian leaders from 300-1900's forced so many people to be christian and where so corrupt and went against jesus's teachings. There where still some people who understood Christianity back then but very few and still very few today. also i know many everyday Americans that is what they think and that is what people in the middle ages thought. Why do u think people in the mid ages where so scared of God and made up stuff about purgatory and paying for dead friends and relatives so they can go to heaven.
It is a fact the vast majority of Europeans in the mid ages did not know how to read or understand Latin so they did not really know who the bible said God was. Martin Luther was shocked after reading the Bible once he learned how to read Latin. The Pope was corrupt and mis treated the people in my opinion martin luther brought Christianity back to live but he was not a perfect guys either none of us are.
No, you cannot. Being homosexual or lesbian is not a mental health health issue whatsoever. There are many who suffer some psychological problems because of it however, due to how they are treated by some sections of society or made to feel different. Many are isolated and do not know where to turn for counsel. At least 30 times more homosexual men will attempt suicide compared to heterosexual men. At least 6 times more lesbian women will attempt suicide than heterosexual women. Now it is a sad thing when a human feels their only option is to take their own life. It is also a poor reflection on our society IMO.
I nenver said being gay is a mental health issue but i think u can explain it through psychology. the Pschology thing is a whole diff argument i live in a very gay area of america okay and i have witnessed people going form having kids and being married to being gay AS SICK AND WRONG AS THAT IS it is a choose u cant say it is all natural.
There is a new movement that trys to hide the dark side of homosexuality. There is a reason why they have been known as perverts and child molesters they gave themselves that reputation. My brother friends dad who is actulley okay with gay marriage witnessed a gay pride parade before the whole USA court gay marriage stuff he said it was sick men who are half naked making out and touching each other in places they should not flirting with men walking down the street. Throwing used condmes but of course the media wont show that. If they here in my neighborhood a would first politely ask them to leave if they did not i am bringing out some type of club and chasing them out that type of stuff really gets me angre. I guess that might be the right thing to do but i don't want them in my neighborhood the gay pride parades are sick. In the Gay areas of my city they where absolutely sick clothing they are not as innocent as the media portrays them and the gay lesbian part of Netflix is almost all porn. I can give u examples
I think a reason why gays might commit suicide is the used to not be gay then a life experience changed them, don't just shot me down and say that is not possible it happens. I can show u psychological reasons if u want. I know homosexuals are miss treated but that does not make it natural.
On a final note, before I leave this thread. You have been given links to studies here, you have heard other members tell you of findings from MRI scans [ I am not sure to which study the poster was referring but it may have been that carried out at the Stockholm Institute, and you have heard other very good opinions. And your response to all of this has been to stamp your foot and insist only you have the answer. You have done this while using very negative semantics regarding homosexual or lesbian people. Coul I remind you Eupedia is a very large forum, it has a large number of members and also visitors to its pages. Do you really think [ or care] that perhaps not all are of the heterosexual lifestyle and many seeing some of your "finer" pieces may be much insulted.
I will study this more and i might send u some messages on what i find. I have always been very confident in my opinion and insisted im right and arguing with people offenlley since i could talk my family understands how u feel i know i am very stubborn and can get annoying.
I still think my whole argument about gay people having the same sexual behavior as straight people shows a female brain structure in gay men is not the source because they hump. there is no gay hormone found. Also a gay gene could not be passed done in humans animal ancestors because they dont have offspring. So if homosexuality is natural then they would have to use the same sexual resources that exist in heterosexuals and in someway mix it up but that does nit explain the whole sexual behavior thing.
If u think about Homosexuality being natural in a scientific way it seems impossible. Also those studies try to find a reason for homosexuality not a reason why it is not natural i cant find exact references which shows their bias but trust me they are totally biased. The fact all studies on gay animals tried to say it is natural and relate to humans show they where pro gay.
In what way have i offended homosexuals in anyway i can have an opinion that what they are doing in unnatural. I do know gay's might be insulted but they shouldn't i have a opinion they have a opinion. I am offended by their lifestyle and gay pride parades in my city where they do very inappropriate things so what. I can say to Lebrok for saying God does not exist offends my faith but i dont. Maybe people are too sensitive.
I do care about offending them but i am not going to hide my opinion.