- Reaction score
- Ethnic group
- Y-DNA haplogroup
- mtDNA haplogroup
Minoans have about 20% Iran_N/CHG, the rest is Anatolian_N. Anatolian_Chl/BA has more.I wouldn't use J2 as an argument, because just like H and E1b, it seems to have been common in various early farmer groups, which were otherwise not much more Eastern shifted than the LBK farmers, sometimes even more WHG actually. Because of this, we need to reconstruct J2 and its subclades migrations first, before using it for any sort of argument in favour of an earlier Iranian ancestry spread.
Since you mentioned Minoans: Its so low in those, that even if they would have replaced local, earlier EEF groups completely, it wouldn't suffice. The gap is just too big without the later, Hellenistic and Roman era gene flow. At the same time, however, I think you are right that there was a constant trickling in too. A lot of samples hint at this kind of slow effect, just like the Northern shift in Italy didn't end with the migration period, but continued with slow trickling in from Central Europe directly and indirectly from Northern Italy to Southern Italy.
By the way, I wondered about the Molise sampels and their special case, but I guess some of it can be explained by the Slavic settlement in the region. Its interesting to compre Molise with Marche. There are just 2 samples form Molise, but these have above average Slavic admixture, while the Marche samples have one with higher Slavic, but the rest being more Celto-Germanic shifted in comparison. Quite interesting, but probably the result of:
Does anyone know results of "full blooded" Molise Slavs? If such even exist up to this point.
Combinations of groups like catacomb culture, and Minoans provided good fits for me in the past. We see cultural connections with catacomb culture, and Italy and Greece.
One paper attributed this "near eastern" signal in the south all the back to the Paleolithic.
I don't think it is unreasonable to speculate the south was more CHG/IN admixed from the get go, who later mixes with more steppe-rich populations.
The gap exists because we don't have a comprehensive catalog of good quality samples from appropriate times and places. Instead we have paltry data that merely entertain some theories.