mongrel
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Hi all, I am English and can trace my male line back to my 8th great-grandfather and his marriage in 1673 (no records prior to this date) in Derbyshire, England. My surname is post-Norman conquest patronymic and Germanic in origin and first appears (Old French) in the Domesday Book with the first identically spelled (Middle English) surname recorded in early 14thC . LivingDNA says I'm 97% English (primarily Central England ie Derbyshire) and 3% South Germanic although this is only relevant for the last 10 generations or so.
As I have no real knowledge about haplogroups and genetics I need a little technical education right now....
Is CTS5856 really earlier than V13 - as per E1b1b1a1b1 versus E1b1b1a1b1a - or later as per the tree?And, so, am I V13* (Albanian) or CTS5856* (Slovenian)? Or not!? Either way, would I be right in considering that my ancestors route to England could be from where CTS5856 appears in Slovenia, maybe 'up the Danube' to Austria, west through Germany, over to France/Belgium finally crossing the Channel with or shortly after the Norman invasion around 900 years or so ago?
Finally, a 'technical' question,
Many thanks for any help you can give, it will be much appreciated.
As I have no real knowledge about haplogroups and genetics I need a little technical education right now....
- LivingDNA have given me my haplogroup as E-V13 and my terminal SNPs as L142.1, L542/PF2220, Page102, PF2211/V13, PF2210/V36 which on the ISOGG tree equates to E1b1b1a1b1
- On 'SNP Tracker' this gives my V13 location in the Albania region.
- However, I also have CTS5856 (I have no other downstream SNPs below this) which ISOGG puts as E1b1b1a1b1 - does this make it 'earlier' than E1b1b1a1b1a?
- CTS5856 appears as a subclade of V13 on the phylo tree and 'SNP Tracker' places CTS5856 further north along the migration path in the Slovenia region so later than V13.
Is CTS5856 really earlier than V13 - as per E1b1b1a1b1 versus E1b1b1a1b1a - or later as per the tree?And, so, am I V13* (Albanian) or CTS5856* (Slovenian)? Or not!? Either way, would I be right in considering that my ancestors route to England could be from where CTS5856 appears in Slovenia, maybe 'up the Danube' to Austria, west through Germany, over to France/Belgium finally crossing the Channel with or shortly after the Norman invasion around 900 years or so ago?
Finally, a 'technical' question,
- why do I have no further downstream variants from CTS5856? What causes the SNP variations/mutations to stop happening? What was it in the last 4000 years that kept my haplogroup so stable?
Many thanks for any help you can give, it will be much appreciated.