Dear Angela, i never said sample R50 is Phoenician
In post where i first mentioned this samples i said:
Therefore i never said they are Phoenicians but rather that they were most likely Canaanites/Phoenicians and for sure of previous Semitic origin
assimilated into Romans.
I dont consider samples R50 neither R1283 Phoenicians neither Semites and i never said that. I consider them Romans and i said that. However obviously assimilated into Romans with previous Semitic and most likely Canaanite/Phoenician origin.
I dont deny that these two samples could arrive in Italy with Hellenic identity and then assimilate into Romans.
But no mater did they arrive with Greek colonies or directly assimilated into Romans, they are of undoubtful previous Semitic and most likely Canaanite/Phoenician origin.
They could have easily mix with Greeks and Romans and in few generations produce these autosomal results, its clear that they were Romans with Levantine and Greek admix and with Phoenician Y-DNA.
Now i hope you do understand that sample R50 regarding modern living population has its only so far identified Y-DNA relatives among Lebanese and Egyptians with TMRCA of 3100 ybp -
https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-Y134194/ So far as we know J2-M205>Y134194 does not exist in Greece among modern population. But only in Lebanon and Egypt. And now found among Ancient Romans, therefore he is most likely of direct Phoenician paternal origin. But again let me repat, J2-M205, is more diverse and is of more higher percentage in Greece then in Italy and its clear that Greeks involved into this Mediterranean cluster much earlier then Italics, at around 1000 BCE most likely somewhere around Cyprus.
There is almost no chance that J2-M205 samples arrived during Bronze Age. There is no J2-M205 European Bronze Age samples. Even me as J2-M205 to claim something like that would be a wishful thinking so i rather hold for facts and go step by step
J2-M205 conquered Levant In EBA and most likely earliest with Phoenicians 800 BCE started to spread towards Mediterranean Sea. Let me repeat J2-M205 has TMRCA 5900 ybp, and oldest aDNA in Levant 4500 ybp and Phoenician Sidon 3700 ybp. R50 matches Y-aDNA in EBA Levant with distance 5900 YBP and modern Egyptians and Lebanese at distance 3100 ybp. So unlike these easy changeable autosomal traits, very solid Y-DNA proves with great evidences in this case.
I didnt say all J2-M410 arrive from Levant during the Empire, but rather J2-M205. By all evidences it could be earliest of some kind of Phoenician or hellenised Phoenician origin at 800 BCE, but i doubt R50 is so old, he is most likely of after Punic Wars.
As i said in my earlier posts J2-M205 is very very Mediterranean haplogroup with uncanny Canaanite and Levantine signature.
There was big shift of genetics in Bronze Age Levant (confirmed by aDNA). And as it seems many J haplotypes of which for now we have confirmed only J1 and J2-M205 have replaced earlier Neolithic and Chalcolithic mostly T1 and E1b lines in Early Bronze Age from direction of Zagros mountains, most likely by Zagros natives as there we find earlier similar haplotypes since Neolithic (all confirmed by aDNA).
By known history Greeks mixed with Phoenicians in Cyprus already in 1000 BCE, most likely for the first time starting to roll this Mediterranean admix. Italians joined a bit later, first by Greek colonies influence, then by Phoenician and Carthaginian influence and in the end by Roman Empire and Mediterranean connection.
I am very busy and indeed i found new hobby, but i still like to read about these things. I see that you wrote a lot of things in another post which i will try to take time and reply tomorrow : ) Best regards until then !