Where did haplogroup T first originate ( 2nd Poll with Expanded options )

[Alpenjager]

This is not a error but the most updated tree. Anyway, I should have to update it again since the new finding on the Crusader change the whole tree as follows:

CL23 is marked as T1a1 .....when he should be T1a2 since he has CTS6007 and L446 which are both T1a2 branch markers

VK398 is also marked in error as T1a1 , when it is T1a2


this new one at
Tepe Hissar C ( 4100 yBP - Bronze Age ) Tepe Hissar Culture .............NE Iran on the caspian sea

I2514 ( 3915 ± 25 yBP / 4341 yBP )
Phase: Hissar IIIb
Cluster:
Y-DNA: T1a2a1a-Y13284 (xT1a2a1a1-Y38305, T1a2a1a2-BY31850)
mtDNA: W3b
Age at Death: +50

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Ipatovo 3 ( 5400 yBP - Early Bronze Age ) Early Steppe Maykop Culture


IV3002 ( 5383 ± 64 yBP )
Kurgan: 2
Phase: 1st
Grave: 187 ( Founding grave of the entire mound )
Other dates: 5058 ± 223 yBP / 5328 ± 251 yBP / 4630 ± 50 yBP (radiocarbon)
Y-DNA: T1-CTS6004 (xT1a1a-CTS484, T1a1b-Y6031, T1a2b-FGC37316) Probably: T1a2a-Y8614
mtDNA: X1'2'3
Age at Death: 35-45

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This was T1a3 and now

Kok-Mardan ( 1800 yBP - Late Antiquity ) Kaunchi Culture ( Kangju )


DA125 ( 1755 ± 41 yBP )
Kurgan:
Object:
Y-DNA: T1a2a1a1-Y13279
mtDNA: U2e2a1

T1a1 was T1a1a and now will be T1a1a1, T1a2 was T1a1b and now will change to T1a1a2 and finally T1a3 was T1a2 and now will be as T1a1b

 

[torzio]

This is not a error but the most updated tree. Anyway, I should have to update it again since the new finding on the Crusader change the whole tree as follows:

T1a1 was T1a1a and now will be T1a1a1, T1a2 was T1a1b and now will change to T1a1a2 and finally T1a3 was T1a2 and now will be as T1a1b

I have never seen that all T ydna will go under T1a1 in any other site ............please link where ftdna or Isogg or others are calling every T under 1 branch ............it will make everything confusing

in the old days , there was T1a and T1b ..........then came T1a1, T1a2, T1a3 and T2-Ph110 ...................I need a link for you to explain these changes to me

 

[Salento]

a 3/4Italian, 1/4 Anglo-American:

y T-CTS8862 (he’s actually T-Z19945 (100% Italian Father)

mt U5a2a1b (same mt as the VK17 sample)

 

[torzio]

a 3/4Italian, 1/4 Anglo-American:

y T-CTS8862 (he’s actually T-Z19945 (100% Italian Father)

mt U5a2a1b (same mt as the VK17 sample)

who/where are these results from ?

 

[Salento]

NatGeo, ... Junior ...

 

[Salento]

Junior full Results

 

[Salento]

mine below:

 

[torzio]

mine below:

I have an older version

Natgeno gave me my ydna T-CTS8862 and my mtdna of h95a ................2 years before any other company

 

[torzio]

there has been a slight increase of tuscan since a year ago

 

[Salento]

I have an older version

Natgeno gave me my ydna T-CTS8862 and my mtdna of h95a ................2 years before any other company

I guess that Northern and Southern Italian meet around Tuscany, genetically speaking.

Junior:

Mine:

 

[Salento]

@Torzio

I saw the Illyrians, Veneti and Pugliesi posts on the MTA thread.

... what if T-Z19945 hung out with some Illyrian tribe before splitting?

What do you think?

 

[torzio]

@Torzio

I saw the Illyrians, Veneti and Pugliesi posts on the MTA thread.

... what if T-Z19945 hung out with some Illyrian tribe before splitting?

What do you think?

can you link thread

your ideas are as good as any

I thought Z19945 is more likely in the northern Balkan lands , hungarian , romanian etc............

age of Z19945 as per yfull is only 1460BC approx.

 

[Salento]

can you link thread

your ideas are as good as any

I thought Z19945 is more likely in the northern Balkan lands , hungarian , romanian etc............

age of Z19945 as per yfull is only 1460BC approx.

It start at Post #1389

https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/38222-Mytrueancestry-com?p=586698&viewfull=1#post586698

 

[Salento]

Tomenable thinks that SZ36 (y T1a..) is an Ethnic Roman.
It’s my 1st / 2nd match on my MTA Kits:

https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/28284-Roman-DNA-distribution?p=586743&viewfull=1#post586743

Q-Matching one-to-one with SZ36:

 

[torzio]

id:ERS256892 ITA [IT-CA]

This sample in yfull has a yellow squared information box with a couple of Snp's , one which is Z19945 .........this is way further up the tree where other Z19945.

anyone know what these new yellow squared information boxes represent in yfull
and
anyone know about this sample ERS256892

 

[ShpataEMadhe]

African or middle east, which tribe exactly hard to say. Definitely not European or "ilyrian"

Almost non existant in Europe and where it is found in europe it probably came from slaves, invaders or minor foreign settlers

 

[Salento]

African or middle east, which tribe exactly hard to say. Definitely not European or "ilyrian"
Almost non existant in Europe and where it is found in europe it probably came from slaves, invaders or minor foreign settlers

Are you y T?
fyi:
T-M184 (y T) is unusual in that it is both geographically widespread and relatively rare (considering that it originated around 40,000 years ago) ...

Y-DNA haplogroup T is found at low frequencies throughout Europe and in parts of the Middle East, North Africa, and East Africa. A famous person in Haplogroup T was Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826), the third President of the United States from 1801 to 1809 ...

... some Roman Era y T:

y T Latin Tribe Ardea 650 BC

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Golden Man: (ANI152 VAR 43) Elite leader individual from the Varna Culture ...
... The oldest gold treasure in the world, dating from 4,600 BC to 4,200 BC ...

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Karsdorf Germany (7.000 + years ago)

 

[Kelmendasi]

African or middle east, which tribe exactly hard to say. Definitely not European or "ilyrian"

Almost non existant in Europe and where it is found in europe it probably came from slaves, invaders or minor foreign settlers

Please stop talking nonsense, at least back it up with evidence if you do.

Clades under T have already been found in aDNA samples from Europe which date back to the Neolithic. T-L208 and T-L162 for example have both been found in Neolithic Bulgaria. T-M184 was also found in the Varna Culture of Bulgaria.

 

[ShpataEMadhe]

Are you y T?
fyi:
T-M184 (y T) is unusual in that it is both geographically widespread and relatively rare (considering that it originated around 40,000 years ago) ...

Y-DNA haplogroup T is found at low frequencies throughout Europe and in parts of the Middle East, North Africa, and East Africa. A famous person in Haplogroup T was Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826), the third President of the United States from 1801 to 1809 ...

... some Roman Era y T:

y T Latin Tribe Ardea 650 BC

.............

Golden Man: (ANI152 VAR 43) Elite leader individual from the Varna Culture ...
... The oldest gold treasure in the world, dating from 4,600 BC to 4,200 BC ...

...............


Karsdorf Germany (7.000 + years ago)

I havent been tested yet

Would you say most T was spread in europe by roman empire slaves?

 

[torzio]

I havent been tested yet

Would you say most T was spread in europe by roman empire slaves?

No, romans are too late.........there are T ydna in Germany, Bulgaria, balkans, france etc form the neolithic

my take, is that they ( T ydna ) where initially not farmers , but hunters ........Karsdorf is a ancient hunting ground for red-deer .......there is even H ydna found there