Where did haplogroup T first originate ( 2nd Poll with Expanded options )

[Sile]

CL23 which is T-L446 had admixture results below....use ID for other tests
Eurogenes places this person between hungary and Friuli
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Kit Num: Z909242
Threshold of components set to 1.000
Threshold of method set to 0.25%
Personal data has been read. 20 approximations mode.
Gedmatch.Com
Eurogenes K13 4-Ancestors Oracle
This program is based on 4-Ancestors Oracle Version 0.96 by Alexandr Burnashev.
Questions about results should be sent to him at: [email protected]
Original concept proposed by Sergey Kozlov.
Many thanks to Alexandr for helping us get this web version developed.
K13 Oracle ref data revised 21 Nov 2013
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 32.49
2 West_Med 23.15
3 East_Med 15.44
4 Baltic 11.19
5 West_Asian 10.39
6 Red_Sea 4.00
Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
13 components mode.
--------------------------------
Least-squares method.
Using 1 population approximation:
1 North_Italian @ 6.318764
2 Spanish_Extremadura @ 10.215214
3 Portuguese @ 10.481634
4 Tuscan @ 10.846835
5 Spanish_Galicia @ 11.515195
6 Spanish_Andalucia @ 11.734688
7 Spanish_Murcia @ 11.924896
8 Spanish_Cataluna @ 12.378675
9 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 12.674054
10 Spanish_Valencia @ 12.895143
11 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 13.278596
12 French @ 14.579446
13 Spanish_Cantabria @ 15.154699
14 Spanish_Aragon @ 16.676853
15 Italian_Abruzzo @ 16.980034
16 Southwest_French @ 16.994125
17 Romanian @ 17.068951
18 Greek_Thessaly @ 17.701933
19 West_Sicilian @ 17.886683
20 Bulgarian @ 18.382051
Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Italian_Abruzzo +50% Southwest_French @ 4.347123
Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% French_Basque +25% Kurdish_Jewish +25% Moldavian @ 1.880900
Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 French + Georgian_Jewish + Southwest_French + Southwest_French @ 1.544588
2 Austrian + French_Basque + Kurdish_Jewish + Spanish_Cantabria @ 1.549791
3 French + Southwest_French + Spanish_Extremadura + Turkish @ 1.550798
4 Austrian + French_Basque + Kurdish_Jewish + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 1.569885
5 East_German + French_Basque + Kurdish_Jewish + Spanish_Andalucia @ 1.623649
6 French + Georgian_Jewish + Southwest_French + Spanish_Cantabria @ 1.627423
7 Assyrian + Austrian + French_Basque + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 1.637768
8 East_German + French_Basque + Kurdish_Jewish + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 1.684614
9 French + Southwest_French + Spanish_Andalucia + Turkish @ 1.693494
10 French + Southwest_French + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + Turkish @ 1.736794
11 French + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + Turkish @ 1.755329
12 Assyrian + Austrian + French_Basque + Spanish_Extremadura @ 1.768628
13 Assyrian + Austrian + French_Basque + Spanish_Andalucia @ 1.789258
14 French + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Extremadura + Turkish @ 1.799327
15 Azeri + Portuguese + Southwest_French + Southwest_French @ 1.802059
16 Austrian + French_Basque + Kurdish_Jewish + Spanish_Andalucia @ 1.810573
17 Austrian + French_Basque + Kurdish_Jewish + Spanish_Aragon @ 1.839266
18 Austrian + French_Basque + Kurdish_Jewish + Southwest_French @ 1.845582
19 French + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Cantabria + Turkish @ 1.846447
20 Assyrian + French + Southwest_French + Southwest_French @ 1.847161
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..
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Kit Num: Z909242
Threshold of components set to 1.000
Threshold of method set to 0.25%
Personal data has been read. 20 approximations mode.
Gedmatch.Com
Dodecad K12b 4-Ancestors Oracle
This program is based on 4-Ancestors Oracle Version 0.96 by Alexandr Burnashev.
Questions about results should be sent to him at: [email protected]
Original concept proposed by Sergey Kozlov.
Many thanks to Alexandr for helping us get this web version developed.

The GEDmatch version of Oracle may give slightly different results from Dienekes version. The GEDmatch version uses FST weighting in its calculations.

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic_Med 35.79
2 North_European 24.07
3 Caucasus 21.79
4 Gedrosia 6.93
5 Southwest_Asian 6.75
6 Northwest_African 2.46
7 East_African 1.09


Finished reading population data. 223 populations found.
12 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 N_Italian_Dodecad @ 6.093848
2 O_Italian_Dodecad @ 7.813148
3 North_Italian_HGDP @ 9.240507
4 TSI30_Metspalu @ 9.336050
5 Tuscan_HGDP @ 11.004959
6 C_Italian_Dodecad @ 12.903599
7 Baleares_1000Genomes @ 16.008512
8 Galicia_1000Genomes @ 16.823957
9 Extremadura_1000Genomes @ 17.353289
10 Portuguese_Dodecad @ 17.928656
11 Romanians_Behar @ 18.356617
12 Bulgarian_Dodecad @ 18.680088
13 Greek_Dodecad @ 18.681952
14 Bulgarians_Yunusbayev @ 18.724812
15 Murcia_1000Genomes @ 19.177168
16 Canarias_1000Genomes @ 19.419041
17 Castilla_Y_Leon_1000Genomes @ 20.094767
18 Andalucia_1000Genomes @ 20.405411
19 Spaniards_Behar @ 20.745586
20 Sicilian_Dodecad @ 20.847435

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% French_Dodecad +50% Sicilian_Dodecad @ 1.859818

 

[Salento]

CL23 which is T-L446 had admixture results below....use ID for other tests
Eurogenes places this person between hungary and Friuli
.
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Kit Num: Z909242

Who is it? (Ma chi è?) Ancient or Contemporary?
Anyway :

#Z909242 Regional sharing %
1 North-Italy 27.39
2 Portugal&GaliciaAzores 19.61
3 Spain North&East 19.33
4 Spain Central&South 19.02
5 East-Balkan 14.65

 

[Sile]

Who is it? (Ma chi è?) Ancient or Contemporary?
Anyway :

#Z909242 Regional sharing %
1 North-Italy 27.39
2 Portugal&GaliciaAzores 19.61
3 Spain North&East 19.33
4 Spain Central&South 19.02
5 East-Balkan 14.65

he is from the lombard paper ..............might be born in Szolad as he matches close to 3 other "hungarians" ...........died in Italy
his HEL indicats that he is a Bulgarian
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his plot is below
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[Sile]

In regards to T-Z19945
its age is roughly 1460BC by yfull
placed in the Jura mountains.......due to age, most likely from Helvetii peoples ..........later by Swabians after the Roman disappearance
.
I wonder if samples where found in the Jura caves complex

 

[Salento]

In regards to T-Z19945 ....

That’s interesting, (thanks Sile}
you wrote:

... “T-Z19945 age is roughly 1460BC by yfull
placed in the Jura mountains.......due to age, most likely from Helvetii peoples ..........later by Swabians after the Roman disappearance.
I wonder if samples where found in the Jura caves complex...”...
————-

I edited my original response bc I misread the dates.

https://www.yfull.com/tree/T-Z19945*/

 

[Sile]

That’s interesting, (thanks Sile}
you wrote:

... “T-Z19945 age is roughly 1460BC by yfull
placed in the Jura mountains.......due to age, most likely from Helvetii peoples ..........later by Swabians after the Roman disappearance.
I wonder if samples where found in the Jura caves complex...”...
————-

I edited my original response bc I misread the dates.

https://www.yfull.com/tree/T-Z19945*/

That is me

 

[Salento]

That is me

Nice, I didn’t know, That’s very CooL !

 

[Sile]

CL23 which is T-L446 had admixture results below....use ID for other tests
Eurogenes places this person between hungary and Friuli
.
.
Kit Num: Z909242
Threshold of components set to 1.000
Threshold of method set to 0.25%
Personal data has been read. 20 approximations mode.
Gedmatch.Com
Eurogenes K13 4-Ancestors Oracle
This program is based on 4-Ancestors Oracle Version 0.96 by Alexandr Burnashev.
Questions about results should be sent to him at: [email protected]
Original concept proposed by Sergey Kozlov.
Many thanks to Alexandr for helping us get this web version developed.
K13 Oracle ref data revised 21 Nov 2013
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 32.49
2 West_Med 23.15
3 East_Med 15.44
4 Baltic 11.19
5 West_Asian 10.39
6 Red_Sea 4.00
Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
13 components mode.
--------------------------------
Least-squares method.
Using 1 population approximation:
1 North_Italian @ 6.318764
2 Spanish_Extremadura @ 10.215214
3 Portuguese @ 10.481634
4 Tuscan @ 10.846835
5 Spanish_Galicia @ 11.515195
6 Spanish_Andalucia @ 11.734688
7 Spanish_Murcia @ 11.924896
8 Spanish_Cataluna @ 12.378675
9 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 12.674054
10 Spanish_Valencia @ 12.895143
11 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 13.278596
12 French @ 14.579446
13 Spanish_Cantabria @ 15.154699
14 Spanish_Aragon @ 16.676853
15 Italian_Abruzzo @ 16.980034
16 Southwest_French @ 16.994125
17 Romanian @ 17.068951
18 Greek_Thessaly @ 17.701933
19 West_Sicilian @ 17.886683
20 Bulgarian @ 18.382051
Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Italian_Abruzzo +50% Southwest_French @ 4.347123
Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% French_Basque +25% Kurdish_Jewish +25% Moldavian @ 1.880900
Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 French + Georgian_Jewish + Southwest_French + Southwest_French @ 1.544588
2 Austrian + French_Basque + Kurdish_Jewish + Spanish_Cantabria @ 1.549791
3 French + Southwest_French + Spanish_Extremadura + Turkish @ 1.550798
4 Austrian + French_Basque + Kurdish_Jewish + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 1.569885
5 East_German + French_Basque + Kurdish_Jewish + Spanish_Andalucia @ 1.623649
6 French + Georgian_Jewish + Southwest_French + Spanish_Cantabria @ 1.627423
7 Assyrian + Austrian + French_Basque + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 1.637768
8 East_German + French_Basque + Kurdish_Jewish + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 1.684614
9 French + Southwest_French + Spanish_Andalucia + Turkish @ 1.693494
10 French + Southwest_French + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + Turkish @ 1.736794
11 French + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + Turkish @ 1.755329
12 Assyrian + Austrian + French_Basque + Spanish_Extremadura @ 1.768628
13 Assyrian + Austrian + French_Basque + Spanish_Andalucia @ 1.789258
14 French + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Extremadura + Turkish @ 1.799327
15 Azeri + Portuguese + Southwest_French + Southwest_French @ 1.802059
16 Austrian + French_Basque + Kurdish_Jewish + Spanish_Andalucia @ 1.810573
17 Austrian + French_Basque + Kurdish_Jewish + Spanish_Aragon @ 1.839266
18 Austrian + French_Basque + Kurdish_Jewish + Southwest_French @ 1.845582
19 French + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Cantabria + Turkish @ 1.846447
20 Assyrian + French + Southwest_French + Southwest_French @ 1.847161
.
.............................................................................
..
.
Kit Num: Z909242
Threshold of components set to 1.000
Threshold of method set to 0.25%
Personal data has been read. 20 approximations mode.
Gedmatch.Com
Dodecad K12b 4-Ancestors Oracle
This program is based on 4-Ancestors Oracle Version 0.96 by Alexandr Burnashev.
Questions about results should be sent to him at: [email protected]
Original concept proposed by Sergey Kozlov.
Many thanks to Alexandr for helping us get this web version developed.

The GEDmatch version of Oracle may give slightly different results from Dienekes version. The GEDmatch version uses FST weighting in its calculations.

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic_Med 35.79
2 North_European 24.07
3 Caucasus 21.79
4 Gedrosia 6.93
5 Southwest_Asian 6.75
6 Northwest_African 2.46
7 East_African 1.09


Finished reading population data. 223 populations found.
12 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 N_Italian_Dodecad @ 6.093848
2 O_Italian_Dodecad @ 7.813148
3 North_Italian_HGDP @ 9.240507
4 TSI30_Metspalu @ 9.336050
5 Tuscan_HGDP @ 11.004959
6 C_Italian_Dodecad @ 12.903599
7 Baleares_1000Genomes @ 16.008512
8 Galicia_1000Genomes @ 16.823957
9 Extremadura_1000Genomes @ 17.353289
10 Portuguese_Dodecad @ 17.928656
11 Romanians_Behar @ 18.356617
12 Bulgarian_Dodecad @ 18.680088
13 Greek_Dodecad @ 18.681952
14 Bulgarians_Yunusbayev @ 18.724812
15 Murcia_1000Genomes @ 19.177168
16 Canarias_1000Genomes @ 19.419041
17 Castilla_Y_Leon_1000Genomes @ 20.094767
18 Andalucia_1000Genomes @ 20.405411
19 Spaniards_Behar @ 20.745586
20 Sicilian_Dodecad @ 20.847435

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% French_Dodecad +50% Sicilian_Dodecad @ 1.859818

as per eurogenes...the closest sample to a Bell Beaker north italian is sample CL23

 

[Sile]

closest Bell beaker north italian to the lombard samples

 

[Salento]

closest Bell beaker north italian to the lombard samples

A Y Haplo T1a2 (T-L446), is the closest Bell Beaker to a North Italian. (Lombard sample CL23).
As evidenced by this data.

do not hesitate ✌

 

[Sile]

T person which has no SNP for T1 or T2 branch and is the only one in all the T haplogroup sitting solely under M184
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id:YF03586 ARM............Armenia from Ghazari ( north Armenia )
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Only nne T person sitting only with SNP L131
id:YF15081 ARM new ...........Armenia again
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Area under ...........Ancient Kura-axes culture ...........ancient Hurrian peoples

 

[Salento]

the first paper I recall of the Ladin DNA was by Thomas in 2008, he split the german speakers and italian speakers and below is the ydna split
GV (German, n=102): ~R1b 42%, ~G+I 25%, J 14%, R1a 9% , ~E 8%, L 2%
ITA (Ital.speakers BZ, n=59): ~R1b 37%, ~G+I 25%, J 15%, ~E 12%, ~T 5%, R1a 3%, L 2%
.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17712356
New genetic evidence supports isolation and drift in the Ladin communities of the South Tyrolean Alps but not an ancient origin in the Middle East.
Thomas MG1, Barnes I, Weale ME, Jones AL, Forster P, Bradman N, Pramstaller PP.

Same quote here:
https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmXoypizjW3WknFiJnKLwHCnL72vedxjQkDDP1mXWo6uco/wiki/Haplogroup_T-M184.html

and also says that:

...Y T ... probably originated around 40,000 years ago somewhere between the North European Plain and Himalayas,...

This is big split from most websites.

 

[Sile]

CL23 which is T-L446 had admixture results below....use ID for other tests
Eurogenes places this person between hungary and Friuli
.
.
Kit Num: Z909242
Threshold of components set to 1.000
Threshold of method set to 0.25%
Personal data has been read. 20 approximations mode.
Gedmatch.Com
Eurogenes K13 4-Ancestors Oracle
This program is based on 4-Ancestors Oracle Version 0.96 by Alexandr Burnashev.
Questions about results should be sent to him at: [email protected]
Original concept proposed by Sergey Kozlov.
Many thanks to Alexandr for helping us get this web version developed.
K13 Oracle ref data revised 21 Nov 2013
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 32.49
2 West_Med 23.15
3 East_Med 15.44
4 Baltic 11.19
5 West_Asian 10.39
6 Red_Sea 4.00
Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
13 components mode.
--------------------------------
Least-squares method.
Using 1 population approximation:
1 North_Italian @ 6.318764
2 Spanish_Extremadura @ 10.215214
3 Portuguese @ 10.481634
4 Tuscan @ 10.846835
5 Spanish_Galicia @ 11.515195
6 Spanish_Andalucia @ 11.734688
7 Spanish_Murcia @ 11.924896
8 Spanish_Cataluna @ 12.378675
9 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 12.674054
10 Spanish_Valencia @ 12.895143
11 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 13.278596
12 French @ 14.579446
13 Spanish_Cantabria @ 15.154699
14 Spanish_Aragon @ 16.676853
15 Italian_Abruzzo @ 16.980034
16 Southwest_French @ 16.994125
17 Romanian @ 17.068951
18 Greek_Thessaly @ 17.701933
19 West_Sicilian @ 17.886683
20 Bulgarian @ 18.382051
Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Italian_Abruzzo +50% Southwest_French @ 4.347123
Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% French_Basque +25% Kurdish_Jewish +25% Moldavian @ 1.880900
Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 French + Georgian_Jewish + Southwest_French + Southwest_French @ 1.544588
2 Austrian + French_Basque + Kurdish_Jewish + Spanish_Cantabria @ 1.549791
3 French + Southwest_French + Spanish_Extremadura + Turkish @ 1.550798
4 Austrian + French_Basque + Kurdish_Jewish + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 1.569885
5 East_German + French_Basque + Kurdish_Jewish + Spanish_Andalucia @ 1.623649
6 French + Georgian_Jewish + Southwest_French + Spanish_Cantabria @ 1.627423
7 Assyrian + Austrian + French_Basque + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 1.637768
8 East_German + French_Basque + Kurdish_Jewish + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 1.684614
9 French + Southwest_French + Spanish_Andalucia + Turkish @ 1.693494
10 French + Southwest_French + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + Turkish @ 1.736794
11 French + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + Turkish @ 1.755329
12 Assyrian + Austrian + French_Basque + Spanish_Extremadura @ 1.768628
13 Assyrian + Austrian + French_Basque + Spanish_Andalucia @ 1.789258
14 French + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Extremadura + Turkish @ 1.799327
15 Azeri + Portuguese + Southwest_French + Southwest_French @ 1.802059
16 Austrian + French_Basque + Kurdish_Jewish + Spanish_Andalucia @ 1.810573
17 Austrian + French_Basque + Kurdish_Jewish + Spanish_Aragon @ 1.839266
18 Austrian + French_Basque + Kurdish_Jewish + Southwest_French @ 1.845582
19 French + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Cantabria + Turkish @ 1.846447
20 Assyrian + French + Southwest_French + Southwest_French @ 1.847161
.
.............................................................................
..
.
Kit Num: Z909242
Threshold of components set to 1.000
Threshold of method set to 0.25%
Personal data has been read. 20 approximations mode.
Gedmatch.Com
Dodecad K12b 4-Ancestors Oracle
This program is based on 4-Ancestors Oracle Version 0.96 by Alexandr Burnashev.
Questions about results should be sent to him at: [email protected]
Original concept proposed by Sergey Kozlov.
Many thanks to Alexandr for helping us get this web version developed.
The GEDmatch version of Oracle may give slightly different results from Dienekes version. The GEDmatch version uses FST weighting in its calculations.
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Atlantic_Med 35.79
2 North_European 24.07
3 Caucasus 21.79
4 Gedrosia 6.93
5 Southwest_Asian 6.75
6 Northwest_African 2.46
7 East_African 1.09
Finished reading population data. 223 populations found.
12 components mode.
--------------------------------
Least-squares method.
Using 1 population approximation:
1 N_Italian_Dodecad @ 6.093848
2 O_Italian_Dodecad @ 7.813148
3 North_Italian_HGDP @ 9.240507
4 TSI30_Metspalu @ 9.336050
5 Tuscan_HGDP @ 11.004959
6 C_Italian_Dodecad @ 12.903599
7 Baleares_1000Genomes @ 16.008512
8 Galicia_1000Genomes @ 16.823957
9 Extremadura_1000Genomes @ 17.353289
10 Portuguese_Dodecad @ 17.928656
11 Romanians_Behar @ 18.356617
12 Bulgarian_Dodecad @ 18.680088
13 Greek_Dodecad @ 18.681952
14 Bulgarians_Yunusbayev @ 18.724812
15 Murcia_1000Genomes @ 19.177168
16 Canarias_1000Genomes @ 19.419041
17 Castilla_Y_Leon_1000Genomes @ 20.094767
18 Andalucia_1000Genomes @ 20.405411
19 Spaniards_Behar @ 20.745586
20 Sicilian_Dodecad @ 20.847435
Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% French_Dodecad +50% Sicilian_Dodecad @ 1.859818

BAM results for CL23
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T1a2 - CTS933 ( CTS6071+ )
.
negative for CTS11984
.
Blond hair and Blue/Grey eyes
Pale skin

 

[Sile]

3rd neolithic karsdorf T ydna found

KARS537

Bam file

T1a1- L162

Brown hair
Blue eyes
Pale skin

ABO blood group

 

[Salento]

3rd neolithic karsdorf T ydna found

KARS537

Bam file

T1a1- L162

Brown hair
Blue eyes
Pale skin

ABO blood group

Since he has brown hair, I wouldn't be that comfortable at predicting for sure the color of his eyes.

In multiple sites, I still get this (wrongly):

They get my hair color close enough:

 

[Sile]

Since he has brown hair, I wouldn't be that comfortable at predicting for sure the color of his eyes.

In multiple sites, I still get this (wrongly):

They get my hair color close enough:

his first reading was red hair or more like chestnut colour

 

[Salento]

T Z19945 Migration

1700 BC Rome
1100 BC over the Alps

according to:
https://phylogeographer.com/mygrations/

 

[torzio]

Since he has brown hair, I wouldn't be that comfortable at predicting for sure the color of his eyes.

In multiple sites, I still get this (wrongly):

They get my hair color close enough:

info on KARS537

https://www.biorxiv.org/node/96800.full

 

[Ahmed]

Hi everyone, this is my first post here but the hot discussion about Romans attracted me though it is old. Since i received my BigY-700 results i started to know more about Europe and Romans history as my Y haplogroup is R-Z193/PF6658 which is subclade of R-U152. I am from Egypt so it was surprising when i knew that i am descending from European ancestor. I am 75% Egyptian ,20% from Asia Minor , 2% south European and i never heard about any European ancestors in my family but may be because it happened long time ago. I think my subclade is still existing in some areas in Italy like Sardinia and Tuscany so one of the strongest possibilities that my family moved to Egypt during the Romans invasion to Egypt 2000 years ago. I read a research about a lot of documented marriages between Roman soldiers and Egyptian women though it wasn't legalised at the beginning but it is still an assumption until i find a close match some where in Europe. I am in the big tree under my last name Abdou and soon will be in YFull.

 

[Salento]

Hi everyone, this is my first post here but the hot discussion about Romans attracted me though it is old. Since i received my BigY-700 results i started to know more about Europe and Romans history as my Y haplogroup is R-Z193/PF6658 which is subclade of R-U152. I am from Egypt so it was surprising when i knew that i am descending from European ancestor. I am 75% Egyptian ,20% from Asia Minor , 2% south European and i never heard about any European ancestors in my family but may be because it happened long time ago. I think my subclade is still existing in some areas in Italy like Sardinia and Tuscany so one of the strongest possibilities that my family moved to Egypt during the Romans invasion to Egypt 2000 years ago. I read a research about a lot of documented marriages between Roman soldiers and Egyptian women though it wasn't legalised at the beginning but it is still an assumption until i find a close match some where in Europe. I am in the big tree under my last name Abdou and soon will be in YFull.

That’s great, You should probably Post it again in the R1b section of the Forum, this thread is about Y haplogroup T.

Here is the link, (You’ll get more exposure and you’ll find more informations on your Haplogroup):

https://www.eupedia.com/forum/forums/234-R1b