Where does the Albanian language come from? [VIDEO]

[Johane Derite]

In Alexander the Great's speech at Opis, he mentions conflicts with the Illyrians, Triballians, and Thracians.


Whoever the proto-Albanians were, we know for sure that they had contacts with Macedonians and would have had contacts with the armies of Philip and Alexander.


"He found you wandering about without resources, many of you clothed in sheepskins and pasturing small flocks in the mountains, defending them with difficulty against the Illyrians, Triballians and neighboring Thracians.


He gave you cloaks to wear instead of sheepskins, brought you down from the mountains to the plains, and made you a match in war for the neighboring barbarians, owing your safety to your own bravery and no longer to reliance on your mountain strongholds. He made you city dwellers and civilized you with good laws and customs.


Those barbarians who used to harrass you and plunder your property, he made you their leaders instead of their slaves and subjects. He annexed much of Thrace to Macedonia, seized the most favorable coastal towns and opened up the country to commerce, and enabled you to exploit your mines undisturbed."

Interestingly, according to linguist Martin Huld, the Albanian word "angari" [forced labour exacted in lieu of taxes unpaid labour owed by a vassal to his feudal lord] is a loan into Albanian from Macedonian Greek.

Did Philip II extract forced labour from proto-Albanians?

 

[Johane Derite]

In the Messapic name "Balakrahiaihi" we have an interesting parallel to Alexander the Great's bodygaurd and general "Balakrus", the son of Nikanor.

 

[Archetype0ne]

Interestingly, according to linguist Martin Huld, the Albanian word "angari" [forced labour exacted in lieu of taxes unpaid labour owed by a vassal to his feudal lord] is a loan into Albanian from Macedonian Greek.

Did Philip II extract forced labour from proto-Albanians?

Nice find. Likely, like each centralized power does from the periphery they did take forced labor. But I would assume knowing our ancestors, rather than servitude in the field, we were more useful in battle, if anything can be taken from Ottoman policies, outside of taxes conscription was the main requirement over which my great-grandfather fought alongside Dervish Cara over.

Also, it would be interesting if you analyzed the texts you provide withing the variations of Albanian, since not each dialect is equal, hint there are like three words for strawberry alone. Afaik, outside maybe Strug and Ohër pellembe in Western Macedonia and Shkup is not really a thing. In fact a lot of words vary from standard Albanian, within the local dialect. Shpullë(Shuplak in std Albanian) is the closest thing I have heard in the local dialects in Macedonia. Angari I have never heard in my life, neither from my mothers family from southern Albania neither from my fathers family in North Macedonia.

Is it a thing in Kosovë? I would assume in a couple of decades of life with friends from all places Albanian I would have heard it. I have heard "argat" which were laborers for a wage in wheat/and other produce which families with more land had to employ to use their land, but never Angari. And I think argat is of Ottoman origin. Alas from what I know from family, argats where not slaves, more like lessees of the land.

 

[Johane Derite]

Nice find. Likely, like each centralized power does from the periphery they did take forced labor. But I would assume knowing our ancestors, rather than servitude in the field, we were more useful in battle, if anything can be taken from Ottoman policies, outside of taxes conscription was the main requirement over which my great-grandfather fought alongside Dervish Cara over.

Also, it would be interesting if you analyzed the texts you provide withing the variations of Albanian, since not each dialect is equal, hint there are like three words for strawberry alone. Afaik, outside maybe Strug and Ohër pellembe in Western Macedonia and Shkup is not really a thing. In fact a lot of words vary from standard Albanian, within the local dialect. Shpullë(Shuplak in std Albanian) is the closest thing I have heard in the local dialects in Macedonia. Angari I have never heard in my life, neither from my mothers family from southern Albania neither from my fathers family in North Macedonia.

Is it a thing in Kosovë? I would assume in a couple of decades of life with friends from all places Albanian I would have heard it. I have heard "argat" which were laborers for a wage in wheat/and other produce which families with more land had to employ to use their land, but never Angari. And I think argat is of Ottoman origin.

Pllamë in gegë, but this is more likely inherited than a loan word.

 

[Aspurg]

Armenian, Albanian and Greek show distant kinship. So all of these should have been Z2103. The linguistic facts speak against an older language being descended from Gava who were proto-Thracian LBA, and they grew in an environment influenced by some R1a clades as reflected by their language. I do not believe there is any chance that Gava culture spoke proto-Albanoid.

I don't think anything other than R-Z2705 is required to explain the proto-Albanians. There is no SNP younger than 1500 ybp that even begins to approach the Z2705. You can't lump whole hg's and subclades that are 3000, 4000 years old into one as most are doing. Even when you combine lets say 3 strongest Albanian V13 clusters they still can't deal with Z2705 in terms of %.. I speak only of clusters that occur in both Ghegs and Tosks.

Carpathians were called by that name in 2nd century AD. They were called in early 1st century the Bastarnae Alps, they may have carried the name after the Carpi tribe after the Bastarnae, and Beskids from what I saw could be derived from Vlachs.

Greeks were Yamnaya, Armenians were Yamnaya, Illyrians were Yamnaya (very Early Maros was 90 % Yamnaya autosomally and they carried ton of R-CTS7556). Albanians should be too.

Illyrians were Western Balkan Yamnaya, proto-Albanoids Central Balkan Yamnaya. V13 introduced non-Yamnaya Thracian language and replaced the C.Balkan/E.Balkan Yamnaya dencendants mostly.

 

[Archetype0ne]

Originally Posted by Aspurg
Armenian, Albanian and Greek show distant kinship. So all of these should have been Z2103. The linguistic facts speak against an older language being descended from Gava who were proto-Thracian LBA, and they grew in an environment influenced by some R1a clades as reflected by their language. I do not believe there is any chance whatsoever that Gava culture spoke proto-Albanoid.

I don't think anything other than R-Z2705 is required to explain the proto-Albanians. There is no SNP younger than 1500 ybp that even begins to approach the Z2705. You can't lump whole hg's and subclades that are 3000, 4000 years old into one as most are doing. Even when you combine lets say 3 strongest Albanian V13 clusters they still can't deal with Z2705 in terms of %.. I speak only of clusters that occur in both Ghegs and Tosks.

Carpathians were called by that name in 2nd century AD. They were called in early 1st century the Bastarnae Alps, they may have carried the name after the Carpi tribe after Bastarnae, and Beskids from what I saw could be derived from Vlachs.

Greeks were Yamnaya, Armenians were Yamnaya, Illyrians were Yamnaya (very Early Maros was 90 % Yamnaya autosomally and they carried ton of R-CTS7556). Albanians should be too.



Is it possible that one haplogroup had the seed for three very different, albeit related IE languages? Yes I know Greek and Armenian are much closer, but Albanian is AFAIK since 3k BC separated in most models.

To begin with I find it hard for one haplogroup one culture hypothesis to be on point, since people intermingle, and more importantly in the past within the patriarchy, marriages were a political tool(hint look at any IA people).
What I find really hard to understand, if my ancestors did not change their language for the Greeks, the Romans, the Slavs, the Byzantines, the Ottomans, I highly doubt any power could have gotten them to change it. Sure we have loans from Doric, Latin, Slavic, Greek, Turkish, but with all that said, Albanian is still a very distinct language.

TBH I am at a place where I am quite content with what I have learned about my patrilineal ancestry, and very thankful for the recent studies. Now more so focusing on my matrilineal descent after I get my WGS. But still, am not convinced by most theories. It could be some sort of pride, but as I said being content I do not care. Etruscans? Illyrians? Greeks? Trojans? Unique Proto-Albanians? It is all the same to me.

PS: Quite drunk so disregard any mistakes.

 

[Southpaw]

Armenian, Albanian and Greek show distant kinship. So all of these should have been Z2103. The linguistic facts speak against an older language being descended from Gava who were proto-Thracian LBA, and they grew in an environment influenced by some R1a clades as reflected by their language. I do not believe there is any chance that Gava culture spoke proto-Albanoid.

I don't think anything other than R-Z2705 is required to explain the proto-Albanians. There is no SNP younger than 1500 ybp that even begins to approach the Z2705. You can't lump whole hg's and subclades that are 3000, 4000 years old into one as most are doing. Even when you combine lets say 3 strongest Albanian V13 clusters they still can't deal with Z2705 in terms of %.. I speak only of clusters that occur in both Ghegs and Tosks.

Carpathians were called by that name in 2nd century AD. They were called in early 1st century the Bastarnae Alps, they may have carried the name after the Carpi tribe after the Bastarnae, and Beskids from what I saw could be derived from Vlachs.

Greeks were Yamnaya, Armenians were Yamnaya, Illyrians were Yamnaya (very Early Maros was 90 % Yamnaya autosomally and they carried ton of R-CTS7556). Albanians should be too.

Illyrians were Western Balkan Yamnaya, proto-Albanoids Central Balkan Yamnaya. V13 introduced non-Yamnaya Thracian language and replaced the C.Balkan/E.Balkan Yamnaya dencendants mostly.

Per Matzinger you have a model which excludes Illyrian from Balkan IE and calls it East Alpine Block. This automatically makes us believe Illyrian could be a Bell-Beaker descended language.

Albanian relation to Armenian and Greek is dubious. It's just an hypothesis, nothing reliable to confirm the phylogenetic tree. The latest 2021 research attempts by Russian linguists they were trying to put Albanian more with Balto-Slavic and Indo-Iranic, but in the end they decided to put in a tree of it's own.

Per some linguists it is a Central European language somewhere in deep past. Read John Basset Trumper in this part.

So, of course question arises now. It's an elimination game. Because in order for R-Z2705 to be Proto-Albanoid and imposing his language to other it required for that particular person somewhere in 500 AD to have some hidden superpowers lol, because he will be low in numbers hypothetically by that time in comparison by much diverse and spread E-V13 clades.

 

[Aspurg]

Per Matzinger you have a model which excludes Illyrian from Balkan IE and calls it East Alpine Block. This automatically makes us believe Illyrian could be a Bell-Beaker descended language.

Albanian relation to Armenian and Greek is dubious.

Per some linguists it is a Central European language somewhere in deep past. Read John Basset Trumper in this part.

So, of course question arises now. It's an elimination game.

J2b2 also has a Western connection. The Posušje culture's distinct ware called Litzenian ware per many views originated in Austria/Slovenia. J-L283 has an early Western branch
https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-YP91/

Illyrian proper must have stemmed from Glasinac who as I said before and as this new book says resisted the Urnfield invasion. So I find it hard to believe Urnfielders managed to impose their language upon the Illyrians in LBA.

I know also some have been proposing Baltic links for Albanian, I don't think anyone proved any somewhat more firm relation of Albanian to any other group.

 

[Archetype0ne]

Per Matzinger you have a model which excludes Illyrian from Balkan IE and calls it East Alpine Block. This automatically makes us believe Illyrian could be a Bell-Beaker descended language.

Albanian relation to Armenian and Greek is dubious. It's just an hypothesis, nothing reliable to confirm the phylogenetic tree. The latest 2021 research attempts by Russian linguists they were trying to put Albanian more with Balto-Slavic and Indo-Iranic, but in the end they decided to put in a tree of it's own.

Per some linguists it is a Central European language somewhere in deep past. Read John Basset Trumper in this part.

So, of course question arises now. It's an elimination game. Because in order for R-Z2705 to be Proto-Albanoid and imposing his language to other it required for that particular person somewhere in 500 AD to have some hidden superpowers lol, because he will be low in numbers hypothetically by that time in comparison by much diverse and spread E-V13 clades.

Hmm. Central European would explain early contacts with Germanic languages as well as Pre-Proto-Slavs, hence it should not be excluded. But would Austria, or somewhere close be a legitimate Central European designation?

About superpowers. I do believe technology in most senses is a superpower. Be it fire, a boat, or a sword that shatters your enemies. Least we forget Philips phalanx pushed much bigger empires all the way to Punjab. This is one of the main reasons I do think there is more to Rivermans and your theory about Bronze-IA expansion due to Bronze- Iron tech. Be it a smith or a soldier equipped with superior weapons, that can easily affect progeny and Y propagation.

 

[Johane Derite]

Carpathians were called by that name in 2nd century AD. They were called in early 1st century the Bastarnae Alps, they may have carried the name after the Carpi tribe after the Bastarnae, and Beskids from what I saw could be derived from Vlachs.

Possible, but still unclear. See the island in Greece called "Karpathos" and its associated "Carpathian sea" which is attested since 600BC. This is also most likely etymologically related somehow to Alb. Karpë, despite some Greek folk etymologies.

 

[torzio]

Clearly your history starts when you want it to start to fit your criteria

Durrës was founded by Ancient Greek colonists from Corinth and Corcyra under the name of Epidamnos around the 7th century BC

It was clearly founded by Greeks ...............what fairy tale book do you read?



Durrës


Founded as Epidamnus by Greeks from Corcyra and Corinth in the 7th century bce, it was seized by the Illyrian king Glaucias in 312 bce. It later passed to the Romans, who called it Dyrrhachium and made it the terminus of their military highway (Via Egnatia),


Via Egnatia ....the main road from Durres to Constantinople ..............a very important road for the Romans ..............clearly the Romans knew who lived there

some things never add up

Appian mentioned how the ‘ piratical’ Liburni expelled the Taulantii to take rule over Epidamnus/Dyrrachium (Durrës in Albania), only to be expelled later by the
Corcyreans when they established a colony in 627 BC.
The geographer Strabo tells the story how Bacchiad Chersicrates, the Corinthian founder of Corcyra, expelled the Liburni
from the island before establishing this colony, an event which is traditionally dated to
733 BC.
In addition to these, Apollonius of Rhodes mentioned three Liburnian islands
in the central Adriatic, one of which is Vis.
Theopompus knew that Ladeste (Lastovo) was a Liburnian island and Pliny reports that the Liburni had controlled Picenum in
Italy in the past, and Vergil mentions the “guarded innermost kingdoms of the Liburni” (intima tutus regna liburnorum ) in the Adriatic 32 .

These unconnected sources gave the impression in earlier scholarship that the Liburni from the historically known Liburnia
in the north-eastern Adriatic dominated the Adriatic Sea before Greek colonisation in
the fourth century We can see the idea developed clearly first in Lucius’ De Regno, and
later significantly expanded in Danielle Farlati’s Illyricum Sacrum from 1751 33.

It became known as the ‘Liburnian thalassocracy’ 34


seems to be some sort date issue when Durres formed ...............I do know the Liburni set a trade market on the shore line pre 700BC ..............they used it to careen their ships

 

[Southpaw]

Yes, it's interesting to see that Andreas Lippert completely abandonen his previous position from 2018 that Glasinac Culture was formed mainly by Early/Middle Bronze Age continuation with strong Danubian Urnfield influence on the favor of classical Albanian/Yugoslav autochthonous opinion.

This time though he heavily relies on Balkan archeologists for the assumption, quoting the renowned Albanian archeologist Frano Prendi and Garasanin on this.

But, Gimbutas didn't said Glasinac had Urnfield influence, she said it was the Koszider hoard descended from Tumulus-grave who influenced Glasinac. It might mean, just before the Urnfield was formed as complex and Tumulus-grave people switched to cremation (Carpathian Urnfield influence) on a pyre on top of tumuli burial rite. Of course the Early Bronze Age/Middle Bronze Age narrative has far more credibility so far based on the data we have.

 

[Aspurg]

Don't place all your chips on Bessi, bud. BTW, what do you make of that CTS1450 from Timacum Minus being in that CNE cluster?

Albanians have nothing to do linguistically with late Antiquity Bessoi if these spoke just Thracian. But as Late Antiquity Bessi also encompassed the whole area of former Eastern Dardania, various things are possible.

Migrations were also possible in Roman times as well, as evidenced by these Bessi who never existed in that region prior to that time. Also the Thracoid and Phrygian names of inhabitants of the Albanopolis in 2nd century AD at the time "Albanoi" were mentioned.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albanoi

Here these names are listed as "Illyrian" which they are not. That was the point of them being in an article written by F.Papazoglu about some non-Illyrian names in Illyria.

But of course this is been edited by the Bruzmi/Maleschreiber (originally at anthrogenica his nick was Maleschreiber)
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Albanoi&action=history


CTS1450 at Timacum Manus is important, logically should be a local however autosomally he isn't. Maybe there are some clues about this find from archeological records or we have to wait autosomal results to see if he is admixed or purely of that cluster.

 

[Johane Derite]

The situation is even more complex.

Balkan Indo-European is an areal, which doesn't necessarily imply phylogenetic relationship.

See for example the Balkan Sprachbund, which includes Albanian, Romanian, Bulgarian, Turkish, Greek, languages that share lexical and morphological features from contact, without being from the same branch, some not even Indo European (Turkish).


Google translated:


"The defective attestation of the Old Balkan languages, and especially Illyrian, ultimately makes it difficult to obtain exact knowledge about the linguistic relationships between these languages, but the hypothesis that Illyrian and Albanian are two separate Old Balkan languages ​​of Indo-European descent can be put up for discussion here.


These do not necessarily have to be related or even related to a relationship of descent.


The fact that lexical and morphological similarities or similarities sometimes occur could also be explained in prehistoric language contacts of these languages ​​in Southeastern Europe, in which the preliminary stage of Messapic, historically attested in southern Italy, was also involved.


In fact, it is assumed for a number of Indo-European individual languages ​​or their respective prehistoric preliminary stages (Albanian, Armenian, Phrygian and, with partial participation, Greek) that they were in an areal language contact situation in prehistoric times, which would make specific phonological and morphological similarities between these individual Indo-European languages ​​that are otherwise unrelated to descent understandable.


Research on this contact area, which is referred to as "Balkan Indo-European" (see, inter alia, Hajnal 2004, 135-142, Sowa 2005, Fortson 2010, 383, Matzinger 2012 c), is still in progress.


Whether Illyrian could also have been involved in this language contact area is certainly conceivable, but without sufficient, meaningful linguistic evidence, it must remain a speculation."

 

[Southpaw]

I know that Matzinger was focused on Illyrian but next he should focus on Albanian relationship with other Balkan IE, of course if he sticks with his current model.

It does look like a complex scenario.

 

[Johane Derite]

I know that Matzinger was focused on Illyrian but next he should focus on Albanian relationship with other Balkan IE, of course if he sticks with his current model.

It does look like a complex scenario.

Yeah, he also wrote that it is possible that Illyrian is also a language that is neither centum nor satem, as there is not enough evidence yet to conclude on this.

So this would also support possibly Illyrian being a Z2103 language.

Milan Budimir wrote about this type of yamnaya theory in a way, although outdatd:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/pdfsli...-etnickom-odnosu-dardanaca-prema-ilirima.html

 

[Southpaw]

Yeah, he also wrote that it is possible that Illyrian is also a language that is neither centum nor satem, as there is not enough evidence yet to conclude on this.

So this would also support possibly Illyrian being a Z2103 language.

Milan Budimir wrote about this type of yamnaya theory in a way, although outdatd:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/pdfsli...-etnickom-odnosu-dardanaca-prema-ilirima.html

It's still ambigious classification, what does he mean with East Alpine Block, does it mean that it's related with some West Alpine Block?

And what is Balkan IE, are they interrelated or not.

I have no doubt that Proto Indo-Europeans were R1b-L23, then they probably split into two groups, R1b-Z2103 and R1b-L51. This is the starting point. Which is with which related, but the issue gets more complicated because we have seen a decrease of R1b-Z2103 via different migrations and secondary IE mediators during pre-history and history.

I can start for sure to associate Celtic, Germanic and Italic with R1b-L51. Are these West Alpine Block languages?

R1b-PF7562 = Hittite/Luwian
R1b-Z2103 = Greek, Armenian

 

[Riverman]

It's still ambigious classification, what does he mean with East Alpine Block, does it mean that it's related with some West Alpine Block?

And what is Balkan IE, are they interrelated or not.

I have no doubt that Proto Indo-Europeans were R1b-L23, then they probably split into two groups, R1b-Z2103 and R1b-L51. This is the starting point. Which is with which related, but the issue gets more complicated because we have seen a decrease of R1b-Z2103 via different migrations and secondary IE mediators during pre-history and history.

I can start for sure to associate Celtic, Germanic and Italic with R1b-L51. Are these West Alpine Block languages?

R1b-PF7562 = Hittite/Luwian
R1b-Z2103 = Greek, Armenian

Basically there are the following potential larger branches:
- Daco-Thracian plus Phrygian and Paeonian included, most likely from Channelled Ware/Fluted Ware/South Eastern Urnfield.
- Illyrian-Pannonian being either closer related to those Daco-Thracians, the Italto-Celtic or fully independent from Yamnaya, potentially with different influences working on the language.
- Greco-Armenian which could come from either Yamnaya or Multi-Cordoned Ware with different origins than Yamnaya, but only fused or substratum Yamnaya influences.
- Anatolian which includes Hittite and Luwian, which was once probably present in the Balkan, especially the area of Cernavoda.

Illyrian could therefore be closer to three of its neighbours:
- Italo-Celtic (from Tumulus culture)
- Daco-Thracian (common Carpathian basin origin)
- Greco-Armenain (common Yamnaya/Catacomb/MCW roots)

The question of whether they were Centum, Satem or in between is therefore quite relevant, because Italo-Celtic is the Centum core, Daco-Thracian rather closer to Baltoslavic and Satem languages. A more intermediate position could also point to a fusion or intermediate position by default. A logical consequence of a mixture like in the Dardanians or Triballi would have been a Daco-Thracian substrate effect on an Illyrian language.
If we assume that Pannonian-Illyrian was closer to Centum and coming down the Danube and Adriatic, it could have later being partially Satemised by local contacts to Daco-Thracian and unknown dialects closer ot Satem languages, which would explain its complicated position.

Proto-Albanian was de-Satemised through Latin contacts like some claim in this thread:
https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/28238-Is-Albanian-really-a-Satem-language

Which just shows how language contacts can change a language and can cause quite drastic shifts.

 

[Southpaw]

Albanians have nothing to do linguistically with late Antiquity Bessoi if these spoke just Thracian. But as Late Antiquity Bessi also encompassed the whole area of former Eastern Dardania, various things are possible.

Migrations were also possible in Roman times as well, as evidenced by these Bessi who never existed in that region prior to that time. Also the Thracoid and Phrygian names of inhabitants of the Albanopolis in 2nd century AD at the time "Albanoi" were mentioned.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albanoi

Here these names are listed as "Illyrian" which they are not. That was the point of them being in an article written by F.Papazoglu about some non-Illyrian names in Illyria.

But of course this is been edited by the Bruzmi/Maleschreiber (originally at anthrogenica his nick was Maleschreiber)
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Albanoi&action=history


CTS1450 at Timacum Manus is important, logically should be a local however autosomally he isn't. Maybe there are some clues about this find from archeological records or we have to wait autosomal results to see if he is admixed or purely of that cluster.

Bruzmi is probably the guy who posts as Bardhyll in twitter or someone affiliated with him, he is promoting that Illyrians enslaved Thracians in Adriatic sea, and Thracians have high Pelasgian ancestry and E-V13 had better status there.

I think he is reporting Johane Derites twitter account, probably by affiliates and bots and fake reports. Probably he is a Kosovo Albanian with J2b2-L283 as his lineage. A foxy/sneaky internet keyboard warrior. He was probably pissed off by recent Matzinger book being published and he went berserk.

 

[Southpaw]

As far as Brnjica Culture comes, this culture is descended from Vatin Cultural Complex, and Vatin Cultural Complex descends according to Yugoslav archeologists not from Middle-Danubians but from migrants from inner Balkans, like Armenochori Copper-Early Bronze Age Culture in North Macedonia.

Was Vatin Culture E-V13? Was E-V13 deeper in inner Balkan? I don't know, phylogenetic tree of E-V13 doesn't support this, very early E-V13 subclades branched off more North and in the horizontal axis from somewhere from Southern Germany to West Carpathian mountains. So, we can deduce that E-V13 was not a Vatin lineage, but a lineage of Gava and various Danubian Urnfielders who displaced, Vatin Culture, Hugelgraberkultur in Vojvodina, Encrusted Pottery Culture around lower Danube, and Brnjica and related culture in Morava.

The Gava/Channeled-Ware came along with so called Nenzingen-Reutlingen swords, a subtype of Naue II swords.

along with flame-shaped spearheads.

This is the archeological part of the story. Which historical people should be associated with Brnjica descendants? Paeonians, Albanoids? I don't know.

As far as Matzinger is concerned, i have zero clues on linguistics, i have no idea how this subject works and how are languages reconstructed or patterns followed to determine the origin of a word but i was recently fascinated by the power of linguistic comparisons.

I watched Manhunt: Unabomber, the biggest FBI manhunt in history, trying to find the person behind the mail bombs for 2 decades targeting computer scientists, forestry persons, genetics engineers. The guy was a luddite terrorist.

FBI all along had a wrong profile on him, using the new section called forensic linguistics they managed to build a far more accurate profile on the unabomber, using positive and negative logic on building his character/profile. In one occasion they also mention the story on how linguists found out about Slavic urhemait by comparing words it lacks/borrowed to determine where Proto-Slavs could have lived potentially and approximately. So, i think Matzinger is on track on what he did by using both positive and negative logic on determining phylogenetic trees of languages.

Central Balkans, Dardania, is where all major Albanian Y-DNA met: E-V13, R1b-Z2105 and J2b2-L283. So, who was the Proto-Albanoid carrier initially? Who knows.

If we go by Matzinger's linguistic POV, Albanian is not descended from Illyrian. If J2b2-L283 was the major Glasinac-Mat lineage then this lineage should be excluded.

That leaves us to E-V13 clades and R1b-Z2105. The problem i see with R1b-Z2105 in specificity is that it was too low in numbers to be Proto-Albanoid marker, unless it's siblings died off during Justinian Plague and various invasions/migrations and only this specific R1b-Z2105 subclade survived and thrived. Per this model it's either some E-V13 subclades, R1b-Z2105 subclade.