Excine
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- Ethnic group
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- Y-DNA haplogroup
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- H2a1c
Sometime 800-900 AD, early Albanians moved west, and mostly settle over the Kruja-Komani habitat, some the southern groups though did not have much encounter with the Kruja-Komani people, and it shows through the low frequency of J2b.
Using formal methods and beginning with the autosomal composition of Albania, the Southern Arc papers argue against any statistically significant population shift in Albania.
Archetype0ne demonstrated with formal methods that Albanians cannot be descended from a group that did not resemble the Çinamak Iron Age population. In actuality, folks from post-medieval northern Albania have the same genetic profile as those from Çinamak.
No Albanian E-V13 has been discovered in the eastern Balkans. E-V13 exhibits comparable diversity to all other important Albanian haplogroups, and its TMRCA among Albanians cannot be less significant than that of J-L283, R-Z2103+, or R-PF755+.
The majority of Albanian J2b-L283 is under PH4679, which formed around 1478 BCE and has a TMRCA of around 1278 BCE. Albanians are present in virtually all major subclades. This is a lineage that has always been part of the Albanian people; it is clearly of Illyrian origin, and its distribution east of Dardania is implausible.
There is absolutely no possibility that anyone could argue that J-PH4679 was "assimilated" by Albanians between 500 and 900 CE, given that Albanians are present in all major subclades of this lineage. A subclade that joins a population at a later time is only partially and never fully represented in this manner. Moreover, as per J-L283, Albanians have a relatively high overall diversity. How exactly can Albanians "assimilate" J-L283 from various major clades that are more than 4,000 years apart by simply going to Albania?
R-M269 in EBA Albania is very likely under R-PF7562, whereas R-Z29758+ individuals with a TMRCA of approximately 2300 BCE have Albanians belonging to all major subclades. Over ninety-five percent of the samples on yfull are Albanian. This haplogroup is completely absent from the eastern Balkans. How exactly could Albanians "from the east" assimilate all R-Z29758+ clades that diverged over 4000 years ago? R-PF7562+ peaks in Apulia in southern Italy, so its presence among Iapygians is not surprising. We already know that Daunians had R-M269+, therefore it's likely that they also have R-PF7562+ and/or R-Z2103+ (CTS1450?)
R-CTS1450+ is found in IA Albania and is closely related phylogenetically to R-Z2705 and R-Y10789*. It is quite evident that this lineage did not originate in the "east." It was already in Albania during the Iron Age and was carried by Illyrians.
https://anthrogenica.com/showthread...n-of-Albanians&p=868609&viewfull=1#post868609 is Trojet's anthrogenica analysis.
Phylogenetically, Albanians did not originate from the east, but have instead inhabited the same territories since the LBA. It is impossible to explain Albanian phylogeny in any other way, and there is solid evidence connecting western Balkan aDNA from Albania to modern Albanian phylogeny; therefore, stop posting opinions that disregard all studies, samples, diversity, and everything else that has been learned through research. This debate is far beyond such "theories."