Where does the Albanian language come from? [VIDEO]

[PaleoRevenge]

A big deal was made about one of the Cinamak samples not being R-BY250 and it was R-CTS1450. In the new Akbari samples, a sample from SE 450 AD I40466 shares IBDS with Illyrians and belongs to very rare branch of R-CTS1450, branch RM3815.

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I40466_preQC.TW unknown
I40949.TW 28.94 unknown
I13777.AG 18.02 Montenegro_MLBA
MGS140.AG 13.41 Austria_ViennaBasin_Modling_Avar
I35640.TW 11.17 unknown
I40471.TW 10.24 unknown
I42253.TW 9.95 unknown
I35411.TW 9.93 unknown
I17633_enhanced.AG 9.88 Albania_Cinamak_IA_o
R11556.SG 9.27 France_Sarrebourg_LateAntiquity_oLevant
I35660.TW 9.19 unknown
I13775.AG 9.13 Montenegro_MLBA
I42462.TW 8.96 unknown
I28669.AG 8.88 unknown
I42882.TW 8.80 unknown
R6681.SG 8.79 Serbia_Beska_Severi_ValentinianValens_possible
I16768.AG 8.74 unknown
I35638.TW 8.74 unknown
I12099.AG 8.68 Slovakia_IA_Vekerzug
I26021.AG 8.66 unknown
R11558.SG 8.51 France_Sarrebourg_LateAntiquity_oLevant
I41690.TW 8.49 unknown
I26750.AG 8.48 Croatia_OsijekTrg_Roman_LateImperial

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lots of J-L283 matches
C-FTA69558 I40949
J2b-L283 I13777
#N/A MGS140
0 I35640
0 I40471
R-L1029 I42253
J-Z1043 I35411
J-FGC64027 I17633
#N/A R11556
J-CTS3617 I35660
J-Z2507 I13775
J-FTA83749 I42462
0 I28669
I-BY33141 I42882
#N/A R6681
0 I16768
R-Z2534 I35638
G-S15656 I12099
0 I26021
#N/A R11558
0 I41690
#N/A I26750

 

[broder]

No one made a big deal

Even the Paeonian guy from Lisicin Dol is BY250-

What was pointed out to you then, which seems like you didn’t get it, is that what these samples are showing is that Illyrians seem to have had quite some CTS1450 diversity.

 

[PaleoRevenge]

CTS1450 is 2,300-2,400 BC. You can't conceptualize time. Let's work with what is actually relevant to your branch, instead of talking about R1b as a whole. Or do you prefer to talk about Yamanya times and pretend you don;t understand.

 

[broder]

Sure, come back when we get a CTS1450 from Iron Age outside of the Balkans or I guess overall outside of Illyrian context.

 

[PaleoRevenge]

If you mean R-BY611 which so far is non-existent among Illyrians, you will never come back. If you're having senior moments and referring to R1b as just R1b like it's 2006, in that reality sure.

 

[broder]

If you mean R-BY611 which so far is non-existent among Illyrians, you will never come back. If you're having senior moments and referring to R1b as just R1b like it's 2006, in that reality sure.

BY611 is a CTS1450 linage. Senior moments, R1b as just R1b, what have you been smoking lately my friend?

 

[PaleoRevenge]

BY611 is a CTS1450 linage. Senior moments, R1b as just R1b, what have you been smoking lately my friend?

And CTS1450 is Z2103, what are you trying to avoid. Do you want to keep talking about the diversity of CTS1450 in Illyrian, how amazing and how none is by611.

 

[Johane Derite]

Not surprising to see that some people in the illyrian space are beginning to finally realise there is a problem with lack of IBD sharing of Albanians with Cinamak, etc. I imagine this is the beginning of the end for their fantasy space as it is currently constructed.

What did surprise me was the extent of the triggering/cope/emotional tantrums by some like hillurian/fshatar.

The guy is a base/low character so his immediate resorting to the low insults is not that surprising considering his bërllog nature and status, but what did take me aback was the brazenness of either his delusion or his lying, next level shpirtpizdë.

He was personally responsible for getting the Albanian Discussion thread locked and he tries to shift blame on people that had nothing to do with it.

The receipts are in the thread, he publicly begs moderators to come into the thread (im sure he was privately spamming reports aswell), because of supposed "vulgar language", which is funny considering how filthy and vulgar he is (see his tweets, talk about "clitty" lol).

Its like the 100nth time that they do this, spamming moderators to ban anybody that brings up something they can't handle, and then moderators get sick of them spamming them with requests and just block the thread.

When the thread eventually gets opened up again, they literally never get any discussion going either, they never post or create anything, the thread is a ghost town, they are only eternally paranoid on the wait for somebody to potentially trigger them to spaz out and start spamming moderators again and the cycle is repeated.

Absolute eternal losers

 

[broder]

IBD sharing with Iron and Bronze Age samples is not as important as some of you make it seem. Autosomal DNA is a tricky subject because it’s hard to predict who you inherited those segments from.

Also keep in mind Albanian exogamy, overtime you diverge from your close paternal kin. That’s why the Y linages matter more overall in our case.

 

[Riverman]

IBD sharing with Iron and Bronze Age samples is not as important as some of you make it seem. Autosomal DNA is a tricky subject because it’s hard to predict who you inherited those segments from.

Also keep in mind Albanian exogamy, overtime you diverge from your close paternal kin. That’s why the Y linages matter more overall in our case.

That's true to some degree. Daco-Thracians were a very old and very large population and even members of e.g. E-FGC11451 did not always share ANY IBD with each other 100 AD.

The situation is completely different with smaller, younger founder populations.
Basically you have to first compare a population with members of itself like old, low sharing Daco-Thracians with young, high sharing Slavs to maximum sharing bottlenecked founder populations like e.g. Ashkenazi Jews.

Illyrians seem to be, generally speaking, closer to the Slavic than the Thracian pattern among themselves. This defines a standard.

But obviously time matters a lot. Over time IBD always goes down obviously.

 

[PaleoRevenge]

"hillyrian" hmm hooh hahh ill uuuuu ria, classic, making chimpanzee noises to reconstruct an alleged Albanoid word that never existed and plain gibberish.

Its like the 100nth time that they do this, spamming moderators to ban anybody that brings up something they can't handle, and then moderators get sick of them spamming them with requests and just block the thread.

The admins know, they don;t care, they're friends. In the old forum their queen brumzi had sock accounts pretending to be E-V13 kelmendi and even posted photos of people unrelated to him as his family. Given that his identity was known by admins(they knew he was J2b) and never banned him for impersonation and posting other peoples photos. That's all you need to know about genarchivist.

 

[PaleoRevenge]

Riverman, you visit Greece but not Albania? Weak just weak.