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Question Why do people die?

I keep reading this thread with nothing much to say. I love living, but when it is time to go, I am ready- no regrets, no appologies and lots of gratitude for everything. Entropy and thermodynamics- Things fall apart, from an organized to less organized state, and people die- it gives meaning to our living, and should make us a little more cautious and appreciative of what we have. Someone said it earlier: everyone dies, but not everyone lives.
 
Mycernius said:
There's an old joke that goes:
'Why do men die before their wifes?
Because they want to' :D
On a serious note. There has been research into stem cells that could extend the human lifespan to a thousand years. If so what would you do? Are humans capable of coping, mentally, with that type of age span? What would be the implications of population growth when you have an aging population that won't die? If humans didn't die would our intellect become stagnant because no new ideas are allowed to come through from a younger generation? Imagine what the world would be like if the people from the Dark ages to early middle ages where still alive today. Their world was one of superstition. Their age and experience would put them in positions of extreme power
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Right on, dude !

Why on earth do you think some of us geezers are still hanging on in there!!!!

Heh, Heh, Heh,Heh, Heh .....! (Rubs hands and grins wickedly ....!)

?W???? (Future master of the world ...)
 
We die so that we don't have to live as old people who p1ss themselves at bus-stops...and smell of biscuits...and collect knitting needles...and go on about "In my day"...and drink Horlicks...and complain...and dribble...and talk jibba-jabba...and request knives anf forks in McDonalds...and get up at 5am for no apparent reason...and go to bed at 6pm, just so they can get up at 5am the next day...and still get their milk delivered...and listen to music played or composed by people that are dead...and only watch films made prior to 1986...and eat every meal with gravy...and wear sensible shoes...and own more than one cardigan...and collect their prescription every Thursday...


I quite like old people really...but i'd rather die than live as a shadow of my former self.
 
Maybe a more interesting question would be...why do people live?
 
without people live would be boring???

mmm being a rabit would be nice i think... gna gna.. A WHITE ONE...

good qeustion, geuss we will never get to know that? why do people live? mmm let me think about it SMOKE
 
dutch baka said:
without people live would be boring???

mmm being a rabit would be nice i think... gna gna.. A WHITE ONE...

good qeustion, geuss we will never get to know that? why do people live? mmm let me think about it SMOKE
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indeed it would be boring...i'm not saying people shouldn't exist...just, why do they?
give it some thought, if you come up with the answer...you are a better man than I
 
dutch baka said:
no man is better then another man
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Very philosophical...but it depends on how you define "better".
One might say that Churchill was a better man than Hitler but in the eyes of his followers, the situation would be reversed.
Nice of you to say though.
 
You know, after reading Anne Rice novels, it seems that death can be a relief. But I guess this comes from the point of view of being immortal. Just think about it, immortality sounds nice, doesn't it?
 
Ma Cherie said:
You know, after reading Anne Rice novels, it seems that death can be a relief. But I guess this comes from the point of view of being immortal. Just think about it, immortality sounds nice, doesn't it?
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Immortality without growing old? Sure.
However, would you want to outlive your family, your friends, your partner or even your pet toutoise?
Could you imagine watching your children grow older than you...attending their funeral?
And what do you do for eternity? i don't know if i could work forever!
And what if you had a fatl disease...you'd have to live your life suffering, forever!
As my grandfather has always said, "There are only two things certain in life. Death and Taxes."
I know which one i would rather give up!
 
but how boring would live be, when you know you wont die? if you look at this life, you can die tommorow so life your life to the fullest, but when you are immortal, how can you enjoy to the fullest?

i think this life, as other people say, has a good balance!!! of life and death, sick and health, war and peace,, ying and yang
 
smoke said:
Immortality without growing old? Sure.
However, would you want to outlive your family, your friends, your partner or even your pet toutoise?
Could you imagine watching your children grow older than you...attending their funeral?
And what do you do for eternity? i don't know if i could work forever!
And what if you had a fatl disease...you'd have to live your life suffering, forever!
As my grandfather has always said, "There are only two things certain in life. Death and Taxes."
I know which one i would rather give up!
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See, your answer isn't surprising. :blush: Immortality isn't what it's cracked up to be. At least that's what I learned. You wander the earth for enternity, with no real purpose, alone, and possibly misrable. Forever, and ever, and ever. Mwhahahahahahahahahahaha.

:bluush: Sorry I got caught up in the moment. :bluush:
 
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are yo okay ma cherie, LOL

they say in 2050 people will be immortal, at least the brain will be because of computers... would robots take over the world for sure?
 
dutch baka said:
but how boring would live be, when you know you wont die? if you look at this life, you can die tommorow so life your life to the fullest, but when you are immortal, how can you enjoy to the fullest?
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Well said.
And my point on immortality.
 
dutch baka said:
are yo okay ma cherie, LOL

they say in 2050 people will be immortal, at least the brain will be because of computers... would robots take over the world for sure?
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I think if you were to put a human brain, with certain 'negatives' removed (guilt, sorrow, remorse, pain...etc), into a machine, then yeah sure...machines could take over the world. But then again, in 45-50 years, computers will probably have their own brains anyway!
 
smoke said:
I think if you were to put a human brain, with certain 'negatives' removed (guilt, sorrow, remorse, pain...etc), into a machine, then yeah sure...machines could take over the world. But then again, in 45-50 years, computers will probably have their own brains anyway!
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hear, hear!!

You all know how fast technology progresses. The Internet, for example, was created 50 years ago to provide armies with instant communication. Now look at it: in just a short span of time the Internet has become the world's most used media. Take note, no individual or group has laid ownership on it! It's the world's largest anarchy!!! Damn!

Same with computers. They already have "brains", we just call it AI: Artificial Intelligence. Their inability to express emotions is what limits them. Emotions are what make humans human. Joy, sorrow, guilt, anger, remorse, ecstacy; they all make the world go round!! Thus, living without them would make the world dull. And living forever without a shred of emotion is a living death.

Now, if computers develop emotions, it will open a pandora's box. The first desire of any creature or race with sapien intelligence is freedom. We've seen that in colonies whose people have been educated (take the Philippines for example). Not to mention in the movies too. In other words the possibility of sapien computers rebelling against humans is very likely. Therefore, it will lead to the extinction of the human race!! And I'm not kidding here.

I hate playing devil's advocate but, guys, think about it...
 
Here's a question: When we die and our mission on this plane of existance is over, then why is it that there are still lost souls, ghosts, and even spirits who continue to carry on the activities of their previous life in the next one? For example there is a battleship called the USS Hornet a.k.a the Gray Ghost. The spirits of those who are dead still haunt the place. Heck even men who didn't die on the ships have chosen to come back to the place they spent their youth at for the afterlife. Why do you think such things occur? The reason why I'm posting this is to steer the topic into a new direction. When we die why do we do the things we do in the afterlife still?

Doc:ramen::happy:
 
Doc said:
Here's a question: When we die and our mission on this plane of existence is over, then why is it that there are still lost souls, ghosts, and even spirits who continue to carry on the activities of their previous life in the next one? For example there is a battleship called the USS Hornet a.k.a the Gray Ghost. The spirits of those who are dead still haunt the place. Heck even men who didn't die on the ships have chosen to come back to the place they spent their youth at for the afterlife. Why do you think such things occur? The reason why I'm posting this is to steer the topic into a new direction. When we die why do we do the things we do in the afterlife still?

Doc:ramen::happy:
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Well they reckon that ghost, spirits, apparitions (whatever we choose to call them) are the souls of beings that have not passed on "into the light" (sorry to be clichéd but I didn't know how else to put it). These spirits either can not, or simply choose not to crossover.
Theories include, once you crossover completely (i.e., leave the physical world and then the spiritual world) you'd be judged for your actions in the physical life (I suppose similar to a heaven and hell scenario) and that "evil" spirits know what awaits them and choose not to "go into the light".
Another theory is that spirits have unfinished business (actually picked up upon in the film adaptation of Casper I believe!). And that spirits will 'move on' when they have done what they need to do. Whether that is to inform someone, reassure someone, apologise, get revenge or just cause chaos (in the form of a poltergeist "Noisy Ghost").
There's also a theory that they may quite literally like the physical world to a point where they don't wish to leave, even after death. This has nothing to do with what awaits them on the 'other side' they just simply like being spirits.
Another theory (if you're bored feel free to just skip read!) is that the spiritual world runs almost parallel with the physical world (although on different plains - there are numerous different spiritual plains). And that spirits continue a normal life and occasionally (usually through the use of a medium or a tremendous amount of strength on behalf of the spirit) the two plains; spiritual and physical, kind of come together...sometimes for a moment sometimes longer. When you see people sitting round a table going "is there anybody there?" they are requesting that a spirit uses their combined energy to manifest in any form...light anomaly, a sound, ecto plasma, an apparition or possession. Of course, the spirit has to want to show itself...that's why thee isn't a lot of credibility to most mediums...something always happens. If a bunch of 'liberal' un-washed student types were sitting around a Ouija board asking you (imagine you are a spirit btw.) to show yourself...would you really be bothered? Just so these people get a little shock and something to talk about over a pint!?

Anyway, there a more theories on the spirit world than I could ever list here, or could ever learn to be honest.
A couple of things to think about. Why doesn't the spirit of a serial killer (for example) kill other spirits on the same spiritual plain?
And why do you never see a ghost having a cigarette?

Peace!
 
Well it is believed that the men who were a part of the USS Hornet just loved their job so much, even those who left the service and lived on normal civilian lives, that their spirits just refuse to move on, prefer to stay and help maintain that ship. I think it's pretty amazing if you ask me. I want what Pachipro's take on all of this is?

Doc:ramen::happy:
 
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