...Marxist Bolshevik in the head?
The USA is these days more radical Marxist on the societal level (not economically!) than Russia ever was. Your comments make absolutely no sense.
...Marxist Bolshevik in the head?
german students who are muslim or even just speak a language that is from the near east should not visit poland if they do not want to be spat on
https://www.zeit.de/gesellschaft/ze...smus-schule-berlin-muslime-islam-fluechtlinge
our polish patriot is just another ethnocentrist. that's how it is in poland someone who isn't ethnocentrist isn't a patriot. funny that he is talking the same way about the west as putin is doing it.
The main difference to the Russians is that many Polish nationalists hate Russia, for obvious historical reasons, and would rather prefer West Ukraine being a Polish colony and Russia crippled. They dream of a Polish superpower in Eastern Europe. I don't blame them for having dreams and caring for their nation, but I have two problems:
- when they lie and distort facts
- when they are ready to start World War III and dragging the rest of Europe into this war.
I completely understand the Polish position, but they are short-sighted, because of the longer term political, economical and possible military escalation and outcomes, which will all fall back on the Poles as well.
Your agenda is even more short sighted, bow for intrest of the Putin clan in the Kremlin. His reactionary agenda has to face a red line!
On behalve of the megalomania dreams of an autocrat ordinary Ukrainian people are crushed (so fare the liberation of a brother folk) and the Russian folk is more and more repressed. The face body bags going home (mostly not the sons of the oligarchs) and an economic breakdown.
The thing we must be worry of is that because Putin's army is so lousy organized and is not effective that bombing to ashes and before in the east and south of Ukraine will be intensified. Everything to prevent a loss in front of the neo czar. An upscaling even unto biological and nuclear weapons is still not out of reach.
And what still is a thing that the Russian oligarchs, at least in the Netherlands, are still not totally stripped down.....![]()
You completely ignore that this being the result of the Selenski regimes, the Ukrainian oligarchs and the US Biden administration got confrontational with Russia and sought the conflict. You constantly ignore that crucial fact.
Russia just reacted to the provocation, aggression and attacks from the Ukrainian side. They didn't start this out of the blue, because of some sort of "madman Putin's plan". That's US nonsense propaganda and you just repeat it because you want to bring an independent Russia down and showed disrespect for the Russian - and recently the German people and their interests.
Look at what the USA did, they caused this! Russia just reacted to their and the Selenski regimes transgressions and misbehaviour. You can't blame it all on the Russian side, that's a biased lie, objectively.
You completely ignore that Putin's aim is on his mind since the fall of the wall. That is the real picture you ignore.
And you defend the so called "ethnocentric" interest of Russia. Mind you that is the interest pronounced by the Putin clan not by the ordinary Russian.
The ordinary Russian had to face that the resources went to the military (what do you think these cruise missiles etc cost?). And Russia has a GDP of the Benelux but with a way way bigger population. This is clear economic hara kiri. Everything for the sake of the megalomaniac dream.
I have several times stressed that the like in Russia the Ukrainian oligarchs are not really differentiated. So if Ukraine wants to be in the EU it has to get rid of those corrupt types.....Like Zelenski initial promised.
But that is nothing compared to the aggression that the Ukraine has faced by the the Putin's kleptocrat in the Kremlin. No mercy let alone understanding for the aims of Putin and his fellow kleptocrats.
Its Selenski and his regime which refused any peaceful, diplomatic solution, not Russia. And you keep saying that Putin had sinister plans for Ukraine and beyond, which is unfounded and unproven. Its in your imagination and a propaganda narrative. Russia just turned more aggressive AFTER the West blocked it, in all organisations and on all levels, only AFTER the NATO expansion and AFTER the US sponsored and supported "regime change" in Ukraine - it got only more aggressive recently AFTER Ukraine refused any serious talks and proceeded in getting armed up while attacking Donbas. This was all purely reactionary in context. Its the USA which had much wider and more megalomaniac plans and caused these frictions, not vice versa.
You completely ignore the non-Western side and you completely deny the necessity for peace and diplomatic solutions. That kind of narrative is warmongering propaganda, its useless and dangeorus. Its what caused this mess.
german students who are muslim or even just speak a language that is from the near east should not visit poland if they do not want to be spat on
https://www.zeit.de/gesellschaft/ze...smus-schule-berlin-muslime-islam-fluechtlinge
our polish patriot is just another ethnocentrist. that's how it is in poland someone who isn't ethnocentrist isn't a patriot. funny that he is talking the same way about the west as putin is doing it.
You must read even more of anti-Polish German propaganda. There are Kurds like you in Poland and they don't bother anyone:
http://www.obywatelska.org.pl/?kurdowie-w-polsce,115
I just read an excellent article of Mykola Riabchuk, its clear that most of the time the orientation of the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth in which nowadays Ukraine was a part, was differentiated from Moskwa. The Russian czars and the SU were always repressive towards the Ukrainians, the Ukrainian culture and language.
So the Zelenski government and it's explicit orientation to the west and not to Russia has a deep and long history! The Ukrainian orientation was for most of time in history not likewise the Kremlin one. So a reason more not to bow for Putin's knut!
You block that because you obviously believe in the Kremlin propaganda. False....
I said numerous times I agree with up to the point of the Eastern Ukrainian Russians and Crimea. If the Western-Central Ukrainians want to start a new life as US vassal, and completely break off from Russia, its their decision, but the Eastern Ukrainian Russians should be asked too and Crimea being left behind. You will hear in the Ukraine that what you say is true, for the West of the country, for the core region of Ukrainians proper, those parts which were part of Poland-Lithuania for a longer period of time and which being even part of Austro-Hungary. There are even Ukrainian jokes about the more Western oriented and arrogant people from Galicia and the West in general. These are different mentalities and people. Even genetically the different within Ukraine is bigger than between Eastern Ukrainian Russians and Russians proper, obviously, but it extends to culture, mentality, history, language, religion etc.
The problem is that Ukraine is not that homogeneous and as far as I can see, the Kremlin only wants to keep the Russian speaking Eastern and Southern parts anyway.
What Putin does not understand, and the imperial myth precludes him from eventual understanding, is that Ukrainians live not in the 19th century of Russia but in the 21st century in Europe; that what unites them is primarily the future and not, like Russians, a nostalgic past; that they formed a political nation where all categories so dear to Mr Putin – like ‘blood and soil’, ‘ethnicity’, ‘faith’, ‘Slavonic brotherhood’ – are not the primary determinants of national loyalty and belonging. In fact, they are as irrelevant for their civic patriotism, as the categories of freedom and dignity for Putin's uncivic etatism.
is imo Putin kind of propaganda, fare besides reality imo.US vassal
All those who do not fit into Putin's imaginary ideal are no true Russians but ‘national traitors', and no true Ukrainians but ‘neo-Nazis' and ‘American puppets'
= imo fascist Blut und Boden theory.Ukrainians proper
Most people are fluent in Ukrainian and Russian
The standard divide for ‘Ukrainians’ and ‘Russians’, applied in censuses, is undermined by more subtle questions that offer a broader set of possible self-definitions: ‘equally Ukrainian and Russian’, ‘more Ukrainian than Russian’, ‘more Russian than Ukrainian’. Each subgroup appears to have a considerable number of self-declared members; the same with languages.
In a country, where most people are fluent in both Ukrainian and Russian, and often shift from one language to another depending on the situation or the discussed topic, the notion of Russophones and Ukrainophones is also extremely vague and ambiguous. All Ukrainian presidents, up to Volodymyr Zelensky, officially spoke Ukrainian pretty well but in private preferred a habitual Russian (with the only exception of Viktor Yushchenko whose American wife from the Ukrainian diaspora simply didn't speak Russian)?
Which 'Russian speakers' need Putin's 'protection'?
It is highly unclear which people Putin intends to ‘protect’ if most victims of his attack in Ukraine’s south east are exactly the proverbial ‘Russian speakers’ that he allegedly so deeply cares about? And who are the Ukrainian soldiers that fight him now and speak Russian as fluently as Ukrainian, but overwhelmingly curse him in Russian for the sufferings he brought to their motherland?
One may read the Russo-Ukrainian war as a clash of civilizations, of political systems, of values, of the past and the future, but also – as a clash of reality and virtuality, of the real world where Ukrainians live and the imperial delirium where Putin would like to fossilize them, together with the Russians. Indeed, the people who fight his troops all over Ukraine are not the true Ukrainians of his morbid imagination. And they will probably never be – because they are real.
This quote in the article in this respect is crucial:
You are on the Kremlin line in this respect.
is imo Putin kind of propaganda, fare besides reality imo.
The statistics are clear on the matter, not just the more abstract ethnic identity and Russian language of the regional inhabitants, but also the tendencies with confession and voting.
E.g. in the 2014 elections, more than 90 percent of Donbas people vote for the pro-Russian candidate. The West Ukrainian nationalism has no stand there, not at all. Similarily, a lot of orthodox Ukrainians from the West did deliberately distance themselves from Russian orthodoxy, following their own more Nationalist and Liberal patriarchate. Again, this had and has practically no foothold in the Russian core zone, not at all.
Of course, since 2014-15, the massive indoctrination, the fact that all opposing views being banned in Ukraine, newspapers and TV stations closed, pro-Russian activists attacked, persecuted and arrested, this had an effect on the people, on how they look at "Russians", because they being cut off and brainwashed. But point is, still, despite this billions of dollars invested and this massive indoctrination and censorship in Ukraine, the Donbas is absolutely and clearly pro-Russian and a large part of the East and South rather split, still.
The clearly Western Ukrainian nationalist stance is still concentrated in the Western parts of the country, around Lwiw in particular:
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Also the most militia members and volunteers come from those areas. Its a the West Ukrainians fighting with the Russians over the control of the Russian Ukrainians in the East. And in Donbas, in all elections and polls, its absolutely clear they want to be Russian and no traitors working against Russia, in a state weaponised by the USA.
The West Ukrainians are ok with this, because they want to be as independent from Russia as possible, don't care about a new iron curtain etc. The Eastern Russian people, almost all of them, have relatives in Russia, close ties, ideological, social, economic and religious. Its not even comparable with the West Ukrainians, especially around Lwiw, which have practically no deeper ties with Russia other than being East Slavs.
These are just two poles inside of the Ukraine which don't belong to each other. If they being put together, there will be always one side suppressing the other. The best solution is therefore in any case a split of the Ukraine.
What Putin- c.q Riverman- does not understand, and the imperial myth precludes him from eventual understanding, is that Ukrainians live not in the 19th century of Russia but in the 21st century in Europe; that what unites them is primarily the future and not, like Russians, a nostalgic past; that they formed a political nation where all categories so dear to Mr Putin – like ‘blood and soil’, ‘ethnicity’, ‘faith’, ‘Slavonic brotherhood’ – are not the primary determinants of national loyalty and belonging. In fact, they are as irrelevant for their civic patriotism, as the categories of freedom and dignity for Putin's uncivic etatism.
Sorry this is not about statistics, but about different views.
I'm just going to drop this here, more discussions on the topic...I'm not sure I agree with everything but different things to think about...geopolitics is a dirty dirty game...
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