Politics World War III?

These people believe they are supperior, they are the 'chosen people' and they take the land of others 'because it is the promised land'. They walk around in the streets with rifles and from time to time people who they disowned get shot by them. I have been in Israel, I have seen them walking in the streets and showing off with their rifles. It's disgusting.

Hamas is not funded by the Palestinians, they are funded by Iran and Qatar. You put all Palestinians and Hamas on the same line, which is not the reality, but you prefer to simplify things.

Every few years we keep getting these groups that are funded by Iran, Saudi etc. Maybe we should look at the root of the problem. Why aren't they funding people to build better houses and cities instead
 
Like bicicleur said, Hamas is mainly funded by Iran and Qatar nowadays, but it is also Israel's own Frankenstein monster. Hamas arose from the ranks of the Muslim Brotherhood which was ruthlessly persecuted in Egypt. Some of its people found their way into Gaza. So while Israel didn't exactly form Hamas, it did sponsor it from its earliest days. It was a means to weaken and divide the PLO, a far greater adversary in those days. Its other role, particularly after the murder of Ytzhak Rabin, was to justify the Israeli extreme right's definite rejection of the two-state solution. For that purpose, it's more useful to have an adversary who pursues the destruction of Israel rather than someone you can negotiate with. I don't claim to understand why the Gazans voted for Hamas in the first place. Israel may have sponsored Hamas but the elections were fair and no one forced the Palestinians to vote for Hamas. Was it the disappointment with the Fatah/PLO who were largely perceived as corrupt sell-outs who use the "Palestinian cause" to fill their pockets? Was it an act of desperation that makes people invest their hopes in anyone who looks like a man of action, not empty promises and big speeches? Or was it plain blind hatred, accumulated over decades? I guess all of it played a role. There have been no elections in Gaza since 2006 and I doubt Hamas is as popular as it once was. In any case, it is a terrorist organisation. Had they just attacked military targets, one could say it's an episode of a dirty war. But they went on a killing spree of innocent civilians and whoever does that needs to be put down like a rabid dog. Israel has the right to smash Hamas once and for all (and reflect on the role it played in its creation and empowerment) but it has no right to collective punishment. It was decided by the Nuremberg Trials that there can be no such thing and it is a war crime according to the Geneva Convention. Yet the Israeli minister of defense openly calls Gazans animals and demands they be treated as such. There is no justification for collective punishment. In 2014 the settlers from Sderot were cheering and organising picnics when the IDF was bombing Gaza. Nevertheless, Hamas had no right to punish Israeli civilians for the crimes of the Israeli army.

Israel will be forced to send in its troops and this may exactly be what Hamas wants. The IDF is not experienced in urban warfare and it would be very costly. The IDF is used to being a police force, beating up teenagers at checkpoints, dragging people out of their homes or bombing schools and hospitals from afar. The Israeli leadership understands that but there is no other way to confront Hamas in a meaningful way. If they bomb the place into the stone age, it will be last time Israel got away with it and there is a great risk of other regional powers getting involved. Israel may end up feeling cornered and existentially threatened which could provoke it to use nuclear weapons, most likely against Iran. We have too many conflicts popping up at once. The war in Ukraine is pretty much decided. Barely anyone is talking about it. John Kirby said "we may very well be at the end of the rope here." The collective West thinks it can fight Russia, China and in the Middle East at once. We have a very serious crisis of leadership. These are not rational people.

I don't think Taiwan wants to go to war with China. The next elections will see the Kuomintang back in power and they are very pro-China. It's the US that thinks it can use Taiwan as a battering ram against China as it used Ukraine against Russia. I doubt the Taiwanese are that stupid. Besides, it is internationally recognised that Taiwan is part of China. There is not much of a struggle.
 
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Like bicicleur said, Hamas is mainly funded by Iran and Qatar nowadays, but it is also Israel's own Frankenstein monster. Hamas arose from the ranks of the Muslim Brotherhood which was ruthlessly persecuted in Egypt. Some of its people found their way into Gaza. So while Israel didn't exactly form Hamas, it did sponsor it from its earliest days. It was a means to weaken and divide the PLO, a far greater adversary in those days. Its other role, particularly after the murder of Ytzhak Rabin, was to justify the Israeli extreme right's definite rejection of the two-state solution. For that purpose, it's more useful to have an adversary who pursues the destruction of Israel rather than someone you can negotiate with. I don't claim to understand why the Gazans voted for Hamas in the first place. Israel may have sponsored Hamas but the elections were fair and no one forced the Palestinians to vote for Hamas. Was it the disappointment with the Fatah/PLO who were largely perceived as corrupt sell-outs who use the "Palestinian cause" to fill their pockets? Was it an act of desperation that makes people invest their hopes in anyone who looks like a man of action, not empty promises and big speeches? Or was it plain blind hatred, accumulated over decades? I guess all of it played a role. There have been no elections in Gaza since 2006 and I doubt Hamas is as popular as it once way. In any case, it is a terrorist organisation. Had they just attacked military targets, once could say it's an episode of a dirty war. But they went on a killing spree of innocent civilians and whoever does that needs to be put down like a rabid dog. Israel has the right to smash Hamas once and for all (and reflect on the role it played in its creation and empowerment) but it has no right to collective punishment. It was decided by the Nuremberg Trials that there can be no such thing and it is a war crime according to the Geneva Convention. Yet the Israeli minister of defense openly calls Gazans animals and demands they be treated as such. There is no justification for collective punishment. In 2014 the settlers from Sderot were cheering and organising picnics when the IDF was bombing Gaza. Nevertheless, Hamas had no right to punish Israeli civilians for the crimes of the Israeli army.

Israel will be forced to send in its troops and this may exactly be what Hamas wants. The IDF is not experienced in urban warfare and it would be very costly. The IDF is used to being a police force, beating up teenagers at checkpoints, dragging people out of their homes or bombing schools and hospitals from afar. The Israeli leadership understands that but there is no other way to confront Hamas in a meaningful way. If they bomb the place into the stone age, it will be last time Israel got away with it and there is a great risk of other regional powers getting involved. Israel may end up feeling cornered and existentially threatened which could provoke it to use nuclear weapons, most likely against Iran. We have too many conflicts popping up at once. The war in Ukraine is pretty much decided. Barely anyone is talking about it. John Kirby said "we may very well be at the end of the rope here." The collective West thinks it can fight Russia, China and in the Middle East at once. We have a very serious crisis of leadership. These are not rational people.

I don't think Taiwan wants to go to war with China. The next elections will see the Kuomintang back in power and they are very pro-China. It's the US that thinks it can use Taiwan as a battering ram against China as it used Ukraine against Russia. I doubt the Taiwanese are that stupid. Besides, it is internationally recognised that Taiwan is part of China. There is not much of a struggle.

I agree with a lot of what you said, not so much with the rest.

Some points:

IMO, WW3 has started, if not WW3, maybe the very early phase, akin to the invasions happening before Poland in WWII. A warring kingdoms age of instability and score settling.

One of the key points I got from Blinken on Israel Hamas war, was "Israel has the right to defend itself" but "how its done it matters" or something along those lines. This IMO is because if both sides of the global "teams" openly, flat out start genociding, then its a world war with no rules, that no one wants.

The other point, the US despite all its current flaws, and a less than stellar state department, has in the past 70 years laid a great foundation, not to fight Russia, China and Middle East on its own. It couldn't. But their long standing policy of "military vassals" and network of allies can be the key, nonetheless it will be tested. South Korea, Japan, Philipines, Taiwan, Australia... India (will be forced once stuff hits the fan) to counterbalance China. And Israel, Saudi in the ME along with less relevant (yet very rich) states as a counterbalance to Iran.

Another point is that the collective West is not into war mode yet. Pearl Harbor was a measure to castrate the US ability to wage war on its terms against Japan, destroying 70-90% of their Western Navy (couple dozen war ships). I read a long time ago that the Japanese were surprised when 2 years after the attack the US navy numbered couple of thousand war ships. Thanks to the first and second War Powers Act, coupled with capitalism and industrialization.

In 1939 the US Navy had 15 battleships, 5 aircraft carriers, 18 heavy cruisers and 19 light cruisers.

At its peak, the U.S. Navy was operating 7,601 ships on V-J Day in August 1945, including 28 aircraft carriers, 23 battleships, 71 escort carriers, 72 cruisers, over 232 submarines, 377 destroyers, and thousands of amphibious, supply and auxiliary ships.

and had over 70% of the world's total numbers and total tonnage of naval vessels of 1,000 tons or greater.

Whether they could pull off something like that again, I would not bet against it. Along with modern warfare relying on drones, manpower will be an issue only in factories. Now instead of thousands of ships, one can expect quite a lot of drones and intercontinental missiles.

Plus who knows what R&D is under the surface, critically listening to Trumps last rally speech, he always seems to slip some interesting inuendos, "trust me I have seen it".

Auditors found that the Pentagon could only account for 39% of its $3.5 trillion in assets, causing it to fail its fifth consecutive audit.
The black budget is mostly classified because of security reasons. The black budget can be complicated to calculate, but in the United States it has been estimated to be over US$50 billion a year, taking up approximately 7 percent of the US$700 billion American defense budget.


Lastly, recognition vs soverignty. There is a huge distinction. Taiwan might not be recognized, but it is more sovereign than many recognized states (que Bosnia and its political system). Exactly why I find funny the big fuss about the "recognition" of Kosovo. Even if (lol) Serbia and 120 (or whatever is the threshold) of countries recognize Kosovo, - China, Russia or whoever from the permanent SC will veto it. Hence why de facto sovereignty is the key metric, at least till the UN is phased out and transforms into its spiritual successor (post-WW).

But yeah, feels like we haven't seen the last of this.
 
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The credibility of Putin outside the western world is growing rapidly.
The BRICS countries are adopting and spreading his view : the west is imperialistic and Russia had to defend himself against the agression of NATO, and the Ukrainians are Nazis.
Because these countries have a lot of influence on their local media, half of the world actualy believes this crap.
However these countries are not united. They all have their own agenda and they won't form a common front.
 
The credibility of Putin outside the western world is growing rapidly.
The BRICS countries are adopting and spreading his view : the west is imperialistic and Russia had to defend himself against the agression of NATO, and the Ukrainians are Nazis.
Because these countries have a lot of influence on their local media, half of the world actualy believes this crap.
However these countries are not united. They all have their own agenda and they won't form a common front.

It's not crap. There was no reason to push the expansion of NATO any further. The Russians had made it clear in 2007 that they will not tolerate Ukraine joining NATO. Former US ambassador and incumbent CIA director, William Burns, sent a memo to Washington, warning the US government that Lavrov gave him a clear "nyet" in regards to Ukraine becoming part of NATO. This is not an exclusively "Putinist" position. Any other Russian leader and government would have reacted just the same because it concerns Russia's security interests. Even Boris Yeltsin, who was a Western puppet, was opposed to NATO expansion but Russia went through a catastrophe in the 90s and was thus too weak to oppose the US. You know what's crap? Believing that Russia somehow wants to revive its imperial past and acquire new territories, as if it wasn't overstretched already. It has ressources in abundance but a very low population relative to its territorial extension. This is a clash between NATO and Russia because the latter refuses to subordinate itself to the Western dictate. Barely a country in the world has the means to defend its sovereignty and Russia is one of them. It is naive to think that complex geopolitical and economic conflicts can be reduced to the character and ambitions of one man. Everyone is pursuing its interests wherever it can but rational leaders understand that there must be a modicum of rules and mutual respect. It is called diplomacy and this is where the West has turned into a circus.

There is a spin in Russia that Ukraine has become a sewer of Nazism. You can call that propaganda but it is a fact that the Ukrainian government was hijacked by the followers of Stepan Bandera, parties such as the Right Sector and Svoboda. These people were empowered by the US neocons in 2014 when they orchestrated what was clearly a coup d'état. Zelenskyy was voted into office because he promised peace and reconciliation. He did the exact opposite once he became president, maybe not so much of his own volition but under pressure from the Banderites and his personal sponsor, the oligarch Ihor Kolomoyskyi, a man who dubbed himself a "Jewish Banderite." What can be said about a man like that, a man who is fully aware of the monstrous crimes the Banderites committed against the Jewish people during WW2.

This is not about moral high grounds and history lessons. In the end of the day, people will have to sit down and come to an agreement. The Russians are very pragmatical and so are our so-called leaders who still buy Russian oil and gas via India while accusing Russia of every possible crime, crimes they defend and justify that are actually committed by Israel right now. The world is sick of the West's hypocrisy and it didn't need Russia's "propaganda crap" to arrive at that conclusion. Instead of leading by example and presenting itself to the world as a civilisation worth imitating, the West opted for the role of a self-righteous bully who thinks it can organise coups wherever it sees fit, invade any country it wants and force the rest of the world into economic subjugation. This is especially true for the US which, instead of improving life for its own citizens by renovating its roads, schools and hospitals or by restoring its industries and creating meaningful jobs, it decided to make the rest of the world more miserable. The West has destroyed its industries and lost its privileged access to world ressources. Its economies are based on a house of cards called finance and the service sector and it demands the rest of the world follow the same path downwards. This is the geopolitical dimension of the WEF's green agenda. A legitimate concern like environmental protection is hijacked to prevent the technological and industrial adversaries, especially China. These are the things you have to take into consideration when trying to understand the war in Ukraine and the various other conflicts that are popping up right now. We don't live in fairy tales or Hollywood movies where the world is divided into good guys and bad guys.

I'm sorry for the rather long rant but I don't live in a world of simple answers or a world that runs on virtues. Everything is about cold interests wrapped up in propagandistic rethoric for the gullible masses.
 
This news are very sad to hear. All prayers for everyone's safety and peace will be given.

No one is safe until Islam is gone for good, getting rid of other religions would help as well

Shooting people in their homes and kidnapping kids is cowardly bullshit
 
No one is safe until Islam is gone for good, getting rid of other religions would help as well

Shooting people in their homes and kidnapping kids is cowardly bullshit
Getting rid of religion ain't going to happen outside parts of Europe...not in the USA nor in most of the Muslim world.
 
Having said that, worship who or what you want but keep your religion to yourself and don't impose your views on others.
 
Getting rid of religion ain't going to happen outside parts of Europe...not in the USA nor in most of the Muslim world.

Then be prepared for more terrorist attacks. If they did something like that to my family I wouldn't just sit back and do nothing. Whoever is funding the terrorists needs to be nuked
 
Then be prepared for more terrorist attacks. If they did something like that to my family I wouldn't just sit back and do nothing. Whoever is funding the terrorists needs to be nuked
Who said anything about doing nothing?

Yes, there will be more terrorism and it may never end because millions cannot live without the emotional support of their religion.
 
Who said anything about doing nothing?

Yes, there will be more terrorism and it may never end because millions cannot live without the emotional support of their religion.

These terrorists will continue to kill innocent people and get civilians from where they are based killed by retaliation fire (Israel right now). Why should this nonsense continue when it would be more simple to ban Islam worldwide
 
These terrorists will continue to kill innocent people and get civilians from where they are based killed by retaliation fire (Israel right now). Why should this nonsense continue when it would be more simple to ban Islam worldwide
How are you proposing to remove Islam worldwide when it has about ONE BILLION ADHERENTS OR MORE?
 
We cannot remove Islam worldwide but we can remove it from our continent. There was a time when the Islamic world was looking up to Europe for modernisation. Think of Atatürk and his vision of modern Turkey. The Arab world saw many modernists as well, who were studying the achievements of Western science, technology, culture and philosophical ideas and who concluded that this is the way forward. After all, this is how the Jews became known as a people of great thinkers and scientists. Pretty much up until the 18th century, the Jews were a superstitious people, hostile to outsiders and their ideas and cultures. Remember how Baruch Spinoza, one of the greatest philosophers ever, was almost lynched by the Jewish community for criticising aspects of the Jewish religion. The Jews were behaving like Muslims today who go berserk if someone draws a caricature of Mohamed. The emancipation of Jews in Europe liberated the Jews in two ways: from the discrimination of the Christian state and from the rabbinical yoke. Christian rulers used to allow the rabbis to rule over their communities as they saw fit which included the persecution of apostates. Emancipation ended all that and finally Jews were free to study the science and philosophy of the non-Jews without fear. The Jews became a progressive people by adopting European culture or taking that culture as a model for their own modernisation.

This cannot be applied to our times. As I already explained in my previous post (which seems to offend bicicleur, which was not my intention), this ship has sailed because instead of leading by example and presenting itself as worthy of imitation, the West opted for imperialism. Even worse, it empowered forces that are the exact opposite of modernism because it saw them as useful pawns in the struggle against international communism. The West supported the worst jihadi trash against secular Arab nationalism, an important step towards modernisation and the struggle against sectarianism and religious and cultural backwardness, so what we got now is Al-Qaeda, ISIS, Hamas etc. I don't see a way out of this madness for the Middle East. They have to figure it out themselves. A new world order, the multipolar world (if it ever emerges) may force them to change themselves as a necessity in their future interactions with China, Russia and maybe even us. There are new opportunities for Europe as well in this multipolar world. The West should stop meddling in the Middle East and protect its own peoples. Unfortunately this is not how great powers think. It's a vicious cycle of realpolitik according to which you will be replaced by another power if you loosen your grip. This may be true but humanity cannot behave like this forever.
 
We cannot remove Islam worldwide but we can remove it from our continent. There was a time when the Islamic world was looking up to Europe for modernisation. Think of Atatürk and his vision of modern Turkey. The Arab world saw many modernists as well, who were studying the achievements of Western science, technology, culture and philosophical ideas and who concluded that this is the way forward. After all, this is how the Jews became known as a people of great thinkers and scientists. Pretty much up until the 18th century, the Jews were a superstitious people, hostile to outsiders and their ideas and cultures. Remember how Baruch Spinoza, one of the greatest philosophers ever, was almost lynched by the Jewish community for criticising aspects of the Jewish religion. The Jews were behaving like Muslims today who go berserk if someone draws a caricature of Mohamed. The emancipation of Jews in Europe liberated the Jews in two ways: from the discrimination of the Christian state and from the rabbinical yoke. Christian rulers used to allow the rabbis to rule over their communities as they saw fit which included the persecution of apostates. Emancipation ended all that and finally Jews were free to study the science and philosophy of the non-Jews without fear. The Jews became a progressive people by adopting European culture or taking that culture as a model for their own modernisation.

This cannot be applied to our times. As I already explained in my previous post (which seems to offend bicicleur, which was not my intention), this ship has sailed because instead of leading by example and presenting itself as worthy of imitation, the West opted for imperialism. Even worse, it empowered forces that are the exact opposite of modernism because it saw them as useful pawns in the struggle against international communism. The West supported the worst jihadi trash against secular Arab nationalism, an important step towards modernisation and the struggle against sectarianism and religious and cultural backwardness, so what we got now is Al-Qaeda, ISIS, Hamas etc. I don't see a way out of this madness for the Middle East. They have to figure it out themselves. A new world order, the multipolar world (if it ever emerges) may force them to change themselves as a necessity in their future interactions with China, Russia and maybe even us. There are new opportunities for Europe as well in this multipolar world. The West should stop meddling in the Middle East and protect its own peoples. Unfortunately this is not how great powers think. It's a vicious cycle of realpolitik according to which you will be replaced by another power if you loosen your grip. This may be true but humanity cannot behave like this forever.
I agree with you on all points.
The Anglosphere is particularly guilty of meddling.
 
@ norbert I am not offended.
I simply cannot follow your reasoning as if NATO is the agressor and as if Russia is merely defending itself by invading Ukraine.
Nor can Ukraine be seen as a nation in which Nazis form a threat for Russia, Ukraine itself or any other country.

As for your previous post, I find it very naive and even dangerous to believe that if the west would make an example to the rest of the world, the rest of the world would follow that example. It won't change the attitude of Putin or the Ayatollahs and so many others with lots of power and influence.
 
Do you really think that highly corrupt politicians and religious extremists are absent from the West?
 
Do you really think that highly corrupt politicians and religious extremists are absent from the West?

Did I say so or did I suggest that? Where did you get that?
I just implied they are everywhere around the globe, and that is how it always has been.
 

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