Y-DNA of Iberians or descendants of recent Iberians

[Kirgonix Pereira]

The idea of this post is to compile all Iberian Y-DNA (be they BIG Y700, Y-37... or even a predicted Y-DNA) from forum users

List With Iberian Forum Users Haplogroups + Info

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Name​	Major Haplogroup​	Haplogroup ​	Specific Haplogroup​	Iberian Region​
Kirgonix Pereira​	(R1b) R-M343​	R-Z229 (R-DF27)​	R-BY95973​	Center-West Portugal​
Luso​	(R1b) R-M343​	R-Z229 (R-DF27)​	No Big Y​	South Portugal​
Duarte​	(R1b) R-M343​	R-FTT1 (R-DF27)​	R-Y45921​	Brazil (From Portugal)​
Degredado​	(R1b) R-M343​	R-FTT1 (R-DF27)​	R-BY101711​	Portugal​
Astur_Cantabri​	(R1b) R-M343​	R-Z295 (R-DF27)​	R-BY157765​	USA (From Asturias, Spain)​
realdealt​	(R1b) R-M343​	R-DF81 (R-DF27)​	No Big Y​	Mexican American (From Spain)​
AdeoF​	(R1b) R-M343​	R-DF13​	No Big Y​	England (From Spain)​
Yola​	(R1b) R-M343​	R-L51​	No Big Y​	Puerto Rico (From Andalucian)​
othayusjack​	(I1) I-M253​	I-Z2535​	No Big Y​	Brasil (From Portugal)​
Tautalus​	(I2) I-P215​	I-Z178​	I-FTB15368​	Center-East Portugal​
Ricardo​	(J1) J-M267​	J-L620​	J1-FGC6035​	Brasil (From North Portugal)​
luispaulo53​	(J1) J-M267​	J-L620​	J-Z27682​	Portugal​
Davidtab​	(J2) J-M172​	J-M241​	J-BY162321​	Galician Spain​
celtiberian-II​	(J2) J-M172​	J-L26​	No Big Y​	Seville Spain​
Juan.delajara​	(J2) J-M172​	J-L70​	J-Y156633​	Castilla La Mancha (Spain)​
Aemilius​	(L1) L-M22​	L-M349​	(waiting WGS results)​	Brasil (From Portugal)​
Mitra​	(G2) G-L89​	G-CTS5990​	No Big Y​	Center-West Portugal​

Iberia before the Roman conquest

Old Y-DNA Iberian Map (red R1b3* = R-DF27)

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Portugal

Regional Portugal Y-DNA variation
Islands not included (from 2006)
Source: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16626329

Spoiler

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Spain

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My Haplogroup

Clade Finder predict this:
Most specific position on the YFull YTree is R-Z229

R-Z229	Z229/S359/V2059+
┣━R-Y12470 +2	Y12470/FGC30967/Z29884($) Z29883(?)
┣━R-Y16019 +2	Y16019(?)
┣━R-Z222 +2	FT9299(?)Z222($)
┗━R-Z2543 +4	Z2543($) Z2544(?) Z2545/CTS8001(?) Z32163(?)Z32164($)

Available Panels

• YSEQ recommends the R1b-DF27 Panel Predicted R-Z229 is downstream of the panel root. This panel may be applicable if it tests subclades below R-Z229. Please verify and check with YSEQ customer support.

PS: I am currently awaiting Big-Y results

 

[Tautalus]

I2, a Western European Hunter Gatherer lineage.
More specifically I-L758 > M170 > P215 > CTS2257 > L460 > P214 > M223 > P222 > CTS616 > CTS10057 > Z161 > CTS4348 > L801 > Z178 > Z165 > CTS6433 > SK1258 > Y16447 > Y16441 > FGC56719 > FT384439 > FTB15368

 

[Ricardo]

We are here. Portuguese J1-FGC6035. A cluster of the Ancient Iranian People in NW Iberia, Atlantic Minho, somehow we reached the Westernmost of Eurasia. I think we can be associated with the Iranic Alans in Lusitania and Gallaecia. The Portuguese County/Kingdom/Empire was lucky to have people like us in the Reconquista and in the Brazilian Frontiers of War.
Somos o que somos ! Temos mais indivíduos, poucos testaram o Big-Y da FTDNA.

J-FGC6035 YTree

www.yfull.com

 

[Kirgonix Pereira]

We are here. Portuguese J1-FGC6035. A cluster of the Ancient Iranian People in NW Iberia, Atlantic Minho, somehow we reached the Westernmost of Eurasia. I think we can be associated with the Iranic Alans in Lusitania and Gallaecia. The Portuguese County/Kingdom/Empire was lucky to have people like us in the Reconquista and in the Brazilian Frontiers of War.
Somos o que somos ! Temos mais indivíduos, poucos testaram o Big-Y da FTDNA.

J-FGC6035 YTree

www.yfull.com

I don't completely believe in the hypothesis of the Iranian Alans, but more with that of Sephardic Jews.

There were a large number of Sephardic Jews in Portugal.
When I saw the "Notable Connections" tab for your haplogroup, I got even more suspicious.

Those who believe in what the Bible says (I don't), say that Haplogroup J derives from Japheth, son of Noah... but regardless of that, I believe that you really descend from a Jewish community.

Either that or you're Moor hehehehe

In general, the Germanic peoples left a low impact on Portugal, except in the areas populated by Sancho I.

But that's just my opinion and I could be completely wrong.

 

[Ricardo]

You are completely wrong as you wrote. Iranian J1 is completely different from Levantine or Arabian J1-P58 types from a distance of more than 12000 years, you should investigate and study the J1 phylogeny to understand how J1 clusters are very ethnic and geolocated. Jews, Arabs and Semitics don't have Northern basal types of J1 found in the Caucasus, Eastern Anatolia, Northern Iran and in the Steppe where Proto-Indo-European J1 invaded and created the new local admixed population CHG-IRAN with the local EHG.
J1-FGC6035 is only found in NW Iberia and no other European, Jewish or Arab population, the J1-FGC6035 matches are only found in Iranian populations. J1-FGC6035 is Conquistador in Portugal and Conquistador in Brazil, just observe the ramifications.
Somos descendentes da Nobreza da Terra e de "Homens Bons".

 

[Kirgonix Pereira]

You are completely wrong as you wrote. Iranian J1 is completely different from Levantine or Arabian J1-P58 types from a distance of more than 12000 years, you should investigate and study the J1 phylogeny to understand how J1 clusters are very ethnic and geolocated. Jews, Arabs and Semitics don't have Northern basal types of J1 found in the Caucasus, Eastern Anatolia, Northern Iran and in the Steppe where Proto-Indo-European J1 invaded and created the new local admixed population CHG-IRAN with the local EHG.
J1-FGC6035 is only found in NW Iberia and no other European, Jewish or Arab population, the J1-FGC6035 matches are only found in Iranian populations. J1-FGC6035 is Conquistador in Portugal and Conquistador in Brazil, just observe the ramifications.
Somos descendentes da Nobreza da Terra e de "Homens Bons".

Okay. It makes sense then. I am actually more focused on researching the R1b haplogroup.



Being associated with the nobility makes more sense because these people didn't mix much with the population and being in the noble classes justifies it.



It’s always good to exchange ideas to learn . Do you know which part of the nobility in particular?



Do you have some links so I can research this a little more? I actually don't have that much knowledge of this haplogroup.

 

[Luso]

Nice that you are documenting this. I know of another southern Portuguese from Alentejo with our subclade, R-Z225, or R-Z229 (same thing). And I know someone from Leon with it who was on Anthrogenica with it as well, as well as a Galician somewhere out and about. Lets see if anyone else finds this thread to document it.

 

[Kirgonix Pereira]

Nice that you are documenting this. I know of another southern Portuguese from Alentejo with our subclade, R-Z225, or R-Z229 (same thing). And I know someone from Leon with it who was on Anthrogenica with it as well, as well as a Galician somewhere out and about. Lets see if anyone else finds this thread to document it.

Do they use this forum?
Sooner or over the weekend I will also put here some data about the y-dna of the Iberian regions.

 

[Kirgonix Pereira]

New info updated

 

[Yola]

My father: Manuel Angel, Puerto Rico b. 1924


Most specific position on the YFull YTree is R-L51

R-L51	CTS10373/PF6537/FGC39(?) L51/M412/S167/PF6536/MF39636/MF658922+ PF6414/MF656957(?) PF6535/MF656317(?) Y410/E207/MF659561(?)
┣━R-L52 +3	CTS7650/PF6544/S1164/FGC44/MF663232($) L52/PF6541/A19949/MF660847($) P310/S129/PF6546($) P311/S128/PF6545/MF48539($) YSC0000082/PF6540/MF40576($) YSC0001249/CTS10353/S1175/MF664926($)
┗━R-Z2118 +3	Z2111(?) Z2112(?) Z2113($) Z2114(?) Z2115/CTS5981/S1157(?) Z2117(?) Z2118/PF7589($) Z2119/CTS7153(?)

Available Panels

• YSEQ recommends the R1b Panel Predicted R-L51 is downstream of the panel root. This panel may be applicable if it tests subclades below R-L51. Please verify and check with YSEQ customer support.
• YSEQ recommends the R1b-DF19 Panel This panel may be applicable. However, absent a strong STR prediction for this clade, we recommend testing the root SNP before ordering this panel. Please verify and check with YSEQ customer support.
• YSEQ recommends the R1b-DF27 Panel This panel may be applicable. However, absent a strong STR prediction for this clade, we recommend testing the root SNP before ordering this panel. Please verify and check with YSEQ customer support.

Next best prediction (scored 73 compared to 74) R-M269

 

[Aemilius]

I'm L-M349, currently waiting for my WGS results.
Patrilineal line ancestors were oldstock Brazilians, that came to Brazil in the 1700's from Portugal.

 

[Kirgonix Pereira]

I'm L-M349, currently waiting for my WGS results.
Patrilineal line ancestors were oldstock Brazilians, that came to Brazil in the 1700's from Portugal.

Updated information in the table.

What information do you have about this haplogroup in Portugal?
Apparently it is a very rare haplogroup in the region.

 

[Aemilius]

Updated information in the table.

What information do you have about this haplogroup in Portugal?
Apparently it is a very rare haplogroup in the region.

Not much, unfortunately. L-M20 was detected on the districts of Coimbra and Porto, however, in the 2006 study of Beleza et al. There's also Brazilians, New Mexicans of Galician descent and Spaniards on the Y109374 branch, downstream of M349. Quite a high chance to be my own branch, too.
My documented line goes back to the Azores, but I have some reasons to believe that an ancestor from the 1800s was actually adopted. His (possible) bio father was the son of an Portuguese immigrant from Avelar, Ansião, on Leiria. Relatively close to Coimbra, imo.
Let's hope that the WGS results give more info than what I already have.

 

[Kirgonix Pereira]

Not much, unfortunately. L-M20 was detected on the districts of Coimbra and Porto, however, in the 2006 study of Beleza et al. There's also Brazilians, New Mexicans of Galician descent and Spaniards on the Y109374 branch, downstream of M349. Quite a high chance to be my own branch, too.
My documented line goes back to the Azores, but I have some reasons to believe that an ancestor from the 1800s was actually adopted. His (possible) bio father was the son of an Portuguese immigrant from Avelar, Ansião, on Leiria. Relatively close to Coimbra, imo.
Let's hope that the WGS results give more info than what I already have.

I will also receive results in the meantime.

I'm from the Central Zone of Portugal too.
As soon as you know the results, share them with us, as the idea of this topic is to understand which are the main lineages that gave rise to the Portuguese and Spanish people and their descendants.

 

[Viramund]

Hello Kirgonix
Here is a interesting video about your paternal ancestor's ice age homeland, Sundaland.

Crazy how K2b>>P went from the extreme southeast to the extreme northwest of eurasia.

 

[Kirgonix Pereira]

Short video about Portuguese DNA

 

[Mmiikkii]

Hello Kirgonix
Here is a interesting video about your paternal ancestor's ice age homeland, Sundaland.

Crazy how K2b>>P went from the extreme southeast to the extreme northwest of eurasia.

Yes, I am surprised about how Y-DNA K2 mingles from Caucasoid, to mix with Mongoloid with K2a, then to Australoid with K2b.
And then the P branch, still Australoid (Negrito) gives birth to Q Mongoloid but darker, and R, which ends up being a majority in the Atlantic region.

 

[Viramund]

Yes, I am surprised about how Y-DNA K2 mingles from Caucasoid, to mix with Mongoloid with K2a, then to Australoid with K2b.
And then the P branch, still Australoid (Negrito) gives birth to Q Mongoloid but darker, and R, which ends up being a majority in the Atlantic region.

K2 was not "caucasoid " originally, keep in mind the IJK population was around before the separation between east and west eurasians occured. The branch wich specialised into proto east eurasian was precisely a K2 y dna population, as shown by Tianyuan man.

Haplogroup K2 - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[Mmiikkii]

K2 was not "caucasoid " originally, the IJK population was around before the separation between east and west eurasians occured.

It's Caucasoid
Because "the east" is a mixing rather than just than the expansion in the east

 

[Viramund]

It's Caucasoid
Because "the east" is a mixing rather than just than the expansion in the east

Well , i don't know if this "caucasoid " thing is as old as you would like to believe my friend. In the same logic basal eurasians are than suposed to be Mbuties?