Your opinion of italians

[Azzurro]

Pax da vero questo poste me fatto ridere, ho una questione per te, tu trove que Siena e piu bella di Firenze? Per me Siena e na citta bellina.

 

[Pax Augusta]

Pax da vero questo poste me fatto ridere, ho una questione per te, tu trove que Siena e piu bella di Firenze? Per me Siena e na citta bellina.

Perché il tuo italiano mi ricorda tanto gli americani che rispondono in spagnolo agli italiani pensando che spagnolo e italiano siano la stessa cosa?

 

[Angela]

Perché il tuo italiano mi ricorda tanto gli americani che rispondono in spagnolo agli italiani pensando che spagnolo e italiano siano la stessa cosa?

"Securo, securo"!

 

[Azzurro]

No Italiano e Spagnuolo sono i lingue differente, anche francese e romani e differente, tu e angela veramente sono i genti speciale!!! Securo Securo!

 

[Azzurro]

And securo is a word, im probably not spelling it right, i use it all the time and in Italy no one said anything, you guys are just being babies.

 

[Hauteville]

Azzuro is an error, the correct Italian is Azzurro.

 

[Pax Augusta]

Azzuro is an error, the correct Italian is Azzurro.

http://s1.zetaboards.com/anthroscape/profile/2191889/

 

[Azzurro]

That isnt me

 

[Yetos]

anyway I can regogn an Italian when pronounce that end -uro,
I think is characteristic sound

 

[Angela]

No Italiano e Spagnuolo sono i lingue differente, anche francese e romani e differente, tu e angela veramente sono i genti speciale!!! Securo Securo!

You think this is Italian? Even google translate would be better. Plus, Italians in their eighties who came from southern Italy wouldn't even be able to write Italian, most of them. All they spoke was dialect. Part of the difficulty for my family in adapting to life in the New World was that we couldn't understand a word that these supposed New World "Italians" were saying to us. They were very kind, most of them, but unintelligible. The older ones could neither speak, read, nor write standard Italian, so how could they have spoken it to you?

Please stop butchering my native language. Plus, you're supposed to post in English on Eupedia. It's one of those pesky rules. Do you have a problem following the rules? No more posting in Italian. It's useless anyway, since you look less authentic by the minute.

If you're using "securo, securo" all the time you must be speaking with a lot of Hispanics. What you've heard Hispanics saying is "seguro, seguro" with the "g" sounding very much like a "c" when they're asked to do something, or asked if they understood, and you thought the Italian word sounds the same. It doesn't. It sounds very different.



Yetos, you obviously don't have many dealings with Hispanics.

 

[Hauteville]

http://s1.zetaboards.com/anthroscape/profile/2191889/

Uhm, banned from anthroscape for which problem?********?

 

[Azzurro]

I guess it must be dialect then (the South was ruled by Spain for centuries, kingdom of Aragon) and by the way the Italian Language was created when Italy united from the Florentine and Marchigian dialect. If anything my dialect speaking proves more and more as us Southern Italians are the true Italians not like the Cold Northerners with their racist Lega Nord always blaming all their problems on the South, its bogus, and local dialects should be promoted as we share different histories basically after the fall of Rome.

 

[Angela]

Just stop. That wasn't dialect; that was a non Italian speaker trying to write standard Italian and making an unholy mess of it. Do you think we don't know the difference? What the heck do the Spanish Bourbons have to do with it? Your post is incoherent.

You know nothing of Italian, Italian dialects, Italians, or Italian-Americans. Did you really think that once questioned you could continue this charade?

Cut it out or there will be consequences.

Also, stop with the Lega Nord nonsense. I don't know the political leanings of other posters, but I personally think Lega Nord extremists are morons. How could I not? I'm married to a southern Italian. Don't you dare try to smear me with any racist filth.

I don't give a damn how much "Asia Minor" is in some southern Italians. What I won't tolerate is breaking the rules here, or lying and distortion. If you're Italian American and you got those kinds of scores, post them and we'll discuss it, but don't pretend to speak Italian when you obviously don't, or pretend to know things about Italy that you obviously don't. It leads to questions about your identity, whether you're using sock accounts etc.

I caution other members. It's a long standing Eupedia rule that your flag is supposed to reflect your IP address. How difficult is it to comply with that?

 

[Yetos]

Yetos, you obviously don't have many dealings with Hispanics.

Ispanics can be recogned by -or like por favor
the sound of -r with o u is characteristic in Italian Spanish and Francais I think,
at least as spoken in Europe.
but I can not recogn Romanian or Portoguese which are also Latin languages by -r,
besides Ispanics do not have sounds of S or G or X, at least in Europe,
compare Mehico and Mexico,


anyway, this has nothing to do with the latest discuss on thread,
besides Ciabatta Ciapatta Zapatta is the same kind of bread,
but Zapatta is pronounced at Thessaloniki Makedonia, where the word and the bread came with the Separatim Italian Jews from Florence Firenze at 1700,

 

[Boreas]

Boreas,
We're in the same boat. I was born in one country, but spend most of my time in another one, although that will change when I get older. I hold dual citizenship. Sometimes, I'm not quite sure where I "fit". When I'm in Italy I sometimes feel very American. Here, after all this time, I still feel very Italian. If I were a young man and for some reason there was a conflict between Italy and the U.S. I would be very torn.

Sorry, but I am real confused about your speech. I couldn't understand a person who said these thing, can also insist about someone nationality.

THAT IS HUGE IRONY.

You confess that, you are feeling Italian and American under the different situation. You are free to say it. But not Azzurro etrified: Azzurro can't feel like Italian.

I am sure that in Italy, he is feeling that he is an Canadian.

For a many American, You always be an European, not American and I am sure that in the eyes of many vulgar Italian people (who live in Italy), you are a lady who adopted American culture.

Boreas,
If I were a young man and for some reason there was a conflict between Italy and the U.S. I would be very torn.

It sounds you are not American or Italian

It's totally different for second and third generation Italian-Americans like my husband and all the Italian-Americans I know. When I met him he spoke not one word of Italian, had never been there, and everything he knew of its culture and history he learned in a few classes in general European history in high school.

This is a long process, not switch on-off thing.

I'll go on record: I don't believe there's an Italian-Canadian or Italian-American anywhere, second or third generation, without a word of Italian, who would say I'm not Canadian or American, I'm Italian. Not unless he has a mental disorder.

I guess, I am lunatic.

For me, even staying a few years abroad breaks your Italian purity.

As a first Italian generation in USA, I can imagine how you feel, how you see the second and third generation in there. I am sure that you are feeling deeply that they should not use name Italian.

When I was in UK, I felt same things towards Turks in UK. Also when I came back, I felt that I have missed somethings in my country.

Also about Language,
Just a small historical remind, speaking native language didn't save the Greeks in Turkey or Turks in Greece.

I have talked to much, but I am enjoying and see you precious to talk :heart:

I am lefting West Mediterranean to you, and Focus on East :grin:

 

[Angela]

You can't compare the feelings of someone born and raised in a country who then moves elsewhere, to someone one hundred years removed who has only visited that country once as a tourist and doesn't even know the language.

Plus, even if it were possible, I know New World Italians and you don't. I know the culture here and how these people feel and you don't . No third generation Italian Canadian or Italian American would ever claim they feel more Italian than Canadian, not unless they're mentally disturbed.

I said it upthread and I'll repeat it in case you missed it.

Ed. There's a reason I very rarely discuss Italian politics. Some of my family members have told me that until I live there at least most of the year, and pay taxes there, I should just shut up.

So, usually, if not always, I do.

I do get the point, and yes, I'm torn a lot of the time. People born and raised here, including my children, don't have these conflicts.

 

[LeBrok]

Also about Language,
Just a small historical remind, speaking native language didn't save the Greeks in Turkey or Turks in Greece.

Great example of ethnicity being very fluent indead.

 

[New Englander]

Genetically speaking:

Northern Italians are basically 85% Roman + 15% German

Southern Italians are about 85% Roman + 15% Palestinian

Sicilians are about 70% Greek and 30% Assyrian

As far as pheotypes go, I dont think it deters from the autosomal results.

 

[Joey D]

still northern italians are closer to southern italians than they are to austrians (excepting the ones from sud-tyrol). Northern italians also flirt way more with women than a typical germanic person, they also tend to live longer at house with parents and importance of family is big, afterall it's still Italy. France is a different case, when I've been in northern france I didnt feel at all in southern europe, but some cross of western/central european mentalities and values, opposed to deep south mediterranean french coast where the southern european mentalities and lifestyle are all around.

The one common thread cutting across all Italian males, each and everyone is a bigger mammone than the next.

 

[Joey D]

For Italian sicuro, in Sicilian we have the almost identical word, sicuru. Interestingly, I probably would not have immediately picked up on "securo" being incorrect because the non-accented "i" in Sicilian is often an "e" in Italian, so working in the opposite direction from Sicilian sicuru, it would not be too difficult for me to imagine that the correct Italian is securo, so from that perspective, it's actually a logical error for a Sicilian to make, or put another way, it would not be picked up as an error so easily by a Sicilian (or someone more familiar with Sicilian) because it follows the usual sound shifts between the two languages.