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there are Veneti tribes in several parts of Europe in distant places and different times... but there are also Eneti in Paphlagonia in Asia Minor,
in fact let's hear what Strabo have to say about it...
from Strabo's book:
http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper...98:book=12:chapter=3&highlight=thracian,eneti
Strabo claims that Adriatic Veneti origin from Eneti from Paphlagonia, that is from area south of Black Sea
let's look something that I was missing before regarding I2a2..its variance in Turkey is relatively high, while frequency is low and there was no recent I2a2 settlements in Turkey...this indicates it might have come from there...
we can see that area of enlarged variance of I2a2 has some offset from Paphlagonia to the west, but this is normal taking into account that many centuries later invasion of Ottomans might have initially caused movement of all Asia minor people somewhat towards west... as similar offset have happened in Balkans with Serbs and Croats..
furthermore there is hotspot of variance of I2a2 in area of Adriatic Veneti
here we see slight offset to the east of highest variance compared to position of Adriatic Veneti....in fact highest variance is in population of Slavic Slovenia
now let's move our attention to the hotspot of variance in the area above Black sea...this was for very long period settlement of Sarmatians
let us now remind ourselves about historical records of Vistula Veneti
let's now look at big Slavic tribes in 6th century
Venedi, Slavs, and Antes (Antae/ Anti)
Anti on place where Sarmatians were...
Isn't Anti obviously also a name derived from Eneti?
thus, let us reconsider following question: could ancient Veneti have been original carriers of I2a2 amongst Slavic people?
and could Adriatic Veneti, Vistula Veneti, Anti and Veneti from Britanny be related that is comming from the same origin?
could we claim thus that there is a link between Veneti and Sarmatians?
I think so, Sarmatians are located on the very spot of above Black sea, that is from opposite side of Black sea compared to settlement in Paphlagonia that was attested in writings of Strabo......
Let us now consider I haplogroup being Germanic people
let's now see Veneti in Britanny
isn't that an island of I2a1 (M26) right there exactly where Veneti are? Can it be coincidence?
1) hotspot of I2a2 variance correlates position of Sarmatians and Vistula Veneti were either Sarmatian tribe or there was Sarmatian Veneti tribe as well or both
2) hotspot of I2a2 variance correlates position of Adriatic Veneti,
3) hotspot of frequency of I2a1 correlates position of Britanny Veneti
4) historically attested presence in Paphlagonia correlates with increased variance in area where is almost no frequency...
can it be coincidence?
No way!!
Now, let us try to figure out I2a2-Dinaric-North and I2a2Dinaric-South
in fact let's hear what Strabo have to say about it...
from Strabo's book:
http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper...98:book=12:chapter=3&highlight=thracian,eneti
....at the present time, they say, there are no Eneti to be seen in Paphlagonia, though some say that there is a village12 on the Aegialus13 ten schoeni14 distant from Amastris. But Zenodotus writes "from Enete,"15 and says that Homer clearly indicates the Amisus of today. And others say that a tribe called Eneti, bordering on the Cappadocians, made an expedition with the Cimmerians and then were driven out to the Adriatic Sea.16 But the thing upon which there is general agreement is, that the Eneti, to whom Pylaemenes belonged, were the most notable tribe of the Paphlagonians, and that, furthermore, these made the expedition with him in very great numbers, but, losing their leader, crossed over to Thrace after the capture of Troy, and on their wanderings went to the Enetian country,17 as it is now called. According to some writers, Antenor and his children took part in this expedition and settled at the recess of the Adriatic, as mentioned by me in my account of Italy.18 It is therefore reasonable to suppose that it was on this account that the Eneti disappeared and are not to be seen in Paphlagonia. [9]
Strabo claims that Adriatic Veneti origin from Eneti from Paphlagonia, that is from area south of Black Sea
let's look something that I was missing before regarding I2a2..its variance in Turkey is relatively high, while frequency is low and there was no recent I2a2 settlements in Turkey...this indicates it might have come from there...
we can see that area of enlarged variance of I2a2 has some offset from Paphlagonia to the west, but this is normal taking into account that many centuries later invasion of Ottomans might have initially caused movement of all Asia minor people somewhat towards west... as similar offset have happened in Balkans with Serbs and Croats..
furthermore there is hotspot of variance of I2a2 in area of Adriatic Veneti
here we see slight offset to the east of highest variance compared to position of Adriatic Veneti....in fact highest variance is in population of Slavic Slovenia
now let's move our attention to the hotspot of variance in the area above Black sea...this was for very long period settlement of Sarmatians
let us now remind ourselves about historical records of Vistula Veneti
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vistula_VenetiRoman historian Pliny the Elder in Natural History (Liber IV: 96-97) mentions a tribe called Sarmatian Venedi (Latin Sarmatae Venedi). Subsequently, Tacitus in Germania (46) mentions Venethi; when comparing these to Germani and Sarmatae, however, Tacitus associates them with the former, stating that their habits are different from those of the Sarmatae.
In 2nd century AD, Ptolemy in his work De Geographia (III 5. 21.) mentions a people called Ouenedai along the southern shores of the Baltic, which he calls the Venedic Bay.
The historical document Tabula Peutingeriana, originating from the 4th century AD, separately mentions the Venedi along the Black Sea and the Venadi Sarmatae north of the Carpathians (see Gołąb 1992: 287-291, 295-296).
let's now look at big Slavic tribes in 6th century
Venedi, Slavs, and Antes (Antae/ Anti)
Anti on place where Sarmatians were...
Isn't Anti obviously also a name derived from Eneti?
thus, let us reconsider following question: could ancient Veneti have been original carriers of I2a2 amongst Slavic people?
and could Adriatic Veneti, Vistula Veneti, Anti and Veneti from Britanny be related that is comming from the same origin?
could we claim thus that there is a link between Veneti and Sarmatians?
I think so, Sarmatians are located on the very spot of above Black sea, that is from opposite side of Black sea compared to settlement in Paphlagonia that was attested in writings of Strabo......
Let us now consider I haplogroup being Germanic people
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vistula_VenetiOld High German Winida 'Wende' points to Pre-Germanic *Venétos, while Lat.-Germ. Venedi (as attested in Tacitus) and Old English Winedas 'Wends' call for Pre-Germanic *Venetós. Etymologically related words include Latin venus, -eris 'love, passion, grace'; Sanskrit vanas- 'lust, zest', vani- 'wish, desire'; Old Irish fine (< Proto-Celtic *venjā) 'kinship, kinfolk, alliance, tribe, family'; Old Norse vinr, Old Saxon, Old High German wini, Old Frisian, Old English wine 'Friend' (Pokorny 1959: 1146 - 1147; Steinacher 2002: 33)
let's now see Veneti in Britanny
isn't that an island of I2a1 (M26) right there exactly where Veneti are? Can it be coincidence?
1) hotspot of I2a2 variance correlates position of Sarmatians and Vistula Veneti were either Sarmatian tribe or there was Sarmatian Veneti tribe as well or both
2) hotspot of I2a2 variance correlates position of Adriatic Veneti,
3) hotspot of frequency of I2a1 correlates position of Britanny Veneti
4) historically attested presence in Paphlagonia correlates with increased variance in area where is almost no frequency...
can it be coincidence?
No way!!
Now, let us try to figure out I2a2-Dinaric-North and I2a2Dinaric-South
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