Illyrian-Albanian Continuity

[ukaj]

tung

Vella you are from kosova?what tribe do you hail from?As i see that you have ev-13 below on your page

 

[ukaj]

hi

Alb does not mean mountain. Alb comes from the latin word albus which means white. You can ask any scholar who knows latin about this. My answer is not simplistic and its 100% scientific. Old albanian name was not arben. Arben is simply a man's name. I know albanian 100%. Arben does not mean highlander or mountain. In albanian the word for highlander is malsor

MAL means mountain,or black..

 

[ukaj]

I have read also about genetics of albanians of tosk being related more to north greeks than of ghegs,I would love to clear this up strait away gheg was the spoken more of the poulation of all albanians it was the standard dilect of albanians,,Until it was standinised my cusin whom is albanian historian has wrote histroy books in only gheg for the purpose to save the language an to be no more changes to it,,Now i belive many people belive that tosks are very much related to greeks to a point,i beg the differ,You will see many albanians whom fled the country from the ottmans to morea,arta,And the reigion of Boeotia greece now i knwo that many of these ld albanians still use latin in some of their language that their language had hold from over 600yrs even more,,now let me show you some albanian villages from Boeotia an corinth. if any gheg albanian see these then you will be able to know much of these villages that is in gheg albanian language,Katundet Negropontit ose Evias ede Andros - Buzi, Lala, Lepura, Belusha, Bira, Zarka, Nikoleta, Pirgo, Krieza, Cakaj, Bajati, Shtupaj,Shkuasi, Kiloshi, Vatisi, Pothi, Raptaj, Kalivari, Kapshuri, Karali, Balaj, Baçi, Livadhëza, Vitali, Gjalpaj, Çupaj, Dramësi, Varibopi...Katundet Korinthisë. villages of Corinth: Abdibej,Luzi, Qato, Picari, Kuçi, Çereguni, Vladusha, Klimendi, Qesari, Panariti, Likurja, Bujati, Maçëza, Lerëza, Voivoda, Suli, Ibraim Bei, Ratoj, Dhimëna, Bardhi, Kofini, Spaixhiku, Kiveri, Panariti, Manësi, Gjerbësi, Merbaka, Priftanji, Purjela, Laluka, Kshamila, Bisha, Lutraqi, Kalamaqi, Korfoj, Ajani, Athikja, Bozhika, Kalani, Maxhani, Balça, Mila, Zemenoj, Bolati, Vrahati, Azizi, Shkupa, Tranoj, Lopësi, Mazhi, Markashi, Omerçaushi, Kamberi..albanian villages of Boeotia an corinth then you will have these villages also,katundet e Viotjes - Arkica, Golemi, Livanatë, Tragana, Malësina, Luci, Shtiri, Zerikja, Hoshtja, Steveniku, Shahu, Mazhi, Sulinari, Njohori, Dobrena, Vaja, Karadak, Parapungia, Balca, Kapareli, Kokla, Kriekuqi, Vilja, Krora, Lutfi, Kaskaveli, Vrastamiti, Martini, Riçona, Dramësi, Muriqi, Kardhica, Shkurta...Arvanite Villages of Attica surrounding Athens - Katunded Atikjisë - Arafina, Spaitë, Mustafareitë, Njohori, Hlloboçari, Braçi, Stanjatë, Shkalla, Markopulli, Milësi, Shalësi, Mazhi, Kapandriti, Qurka, Kalenxhi, Suli, Vrana, Qifishaia, Dervenoshalësi, Hasa, Kalivet, Kakonisqiri, Kavasilla, Kundura, Lepshina, Magula, Mulkji, Kulluri, Vigla, Tatoj, Llosha, Kanxha, Menidhi, Bej, Bojati, Marathonë, Marushi, Halandhri, Harvati, Piqermi, Kamateroj, Kjaratea, Luca, Lopësi, Shpata, Markopulli, Vari, Kuvaraj, Kalivet, Dhrica, Dramësi, Sqimatari, Ropoj, Halkuçi, Varnavai..... —My tribe kelmendi is in this villages from malsor.an muriqi village also is in this names i posted,muriqi is the surname of my cusins whom are from kelmendi tribe,,any albanian know from what area a other albanian is from by just looking at their surnames,as mine ends with aj,or maj,etc,or iqi etc..now i posted this because i read that tosks are more related to north greece from genetics of ev-13,anyway just wanted to say this,,an clear this up,by showing use these names clearly you can see how far gheg albanians also travelled,anThis may also explian the high percent of genetics of ev-13 in greece,because their is no doubt ev-13 is a gheg albanian genetic marker,an looks to me it is from people whom lived sicluded an follow the old kanuni,,as the kanuni is also used in greece,an that can be something that preserved a peoples blood,as i know of few fathers whos daughter fell in love with a serbian,an he killed her so she didnt mix her blood,sad truth but fact,,i bleive the tribal structures an laws of albanians helpped a big part in preserving whom they are,I also know that gheg albanians mostly only mix within the same tribe,this is still practiced i know people from my tribe are not allowed to mix with other albanians because of the dirty blood from tribes that have mixed.sorry sounds racist but the elder writes these down

 

[FBS]

Vella you are from kosova?what tribe do you hail from?As i see that you have ev-13 below on your page

If you are addressing me, I am Kelmend from Rugova.

As for the Arvanites in Greece it is very well known that Malcortë were the ones who went there in high percentages and their language is the mixture of Gheg and Tosk dialect in one. I guess the division of Tosk and Gheg happened much later on.

 

[Sile]

LOL, all you albanians do not even know your own language

The Albanian language was passing through the process of development during the 4th, 5th, and 6th centuries - the time when the proto-Romanian language was formed.
According to some scholars, the Romanian language should be seen as the Romanized Dacian-Moesian language, while the Albanian language is a semi-Romanized Dacian-Moesian language.

However, referring to the linguistic evidences some scholars defend the thesis that the Albanians are descendants of the ancient Dacians who have been
inhabiting and the lands south of the River of Danube (the Roman Provinces of Moesia Superior and Moesia Inferior) and migrating south-west to the territory of the present-day Albania.
Some serious indications refer Albanian ethnical origin to the Dacian-Moesian root. On the first place it is Albanian name for them – the Shqiptars,
the word of Dacian-Moesian origin, which means the “highlanders”.

From last year's documentations......albanians are of Dacian-Moesian descent, you arrived in modern eastern serbia about one to two hundred years before the slavs arrived. you initially lived from an area south of the carpathian mountains. Outside of the borders of the Roman empire.

In the late bronze age it is well documented that the Dorians occupied all of modern Albania and Epirus.

 

[kamani]

In the late bronze age it is well documented that the Dorians occupied all of modern Albania and Epirus.

do you have sources?

 

[Sile]

do you have sources?

[h=1]The Protogeometric Aegean: The Archaeology of the Late Eleventh and Tenth ...[/h] By Irene S. Lemos

and

[h=3]Prehistoric Epirus and the Dorian Invasion1.[/h][h=3]N. G. L. Hammond[/h]Since the excavations of Carapanos at Dodona in 1878, Epirus has remained terra incognita to the archaeologist. In regard to prehistoric archaeology the reason is to be found in the Epirote terrain;

 

[Ike]

This may also explian the high percent of genetics of ev-13 in greece,because their is no doubt ev-13 is a gheg albanian genetic marker,

Seriosly, dude? :startled: Einstein and Hitler were Gheh Albanians?

 

[ukaj]

Seriosly, dude? :startled: Einstein and Hitler were Gheh Albanians?

.Sorry if you didnt like that,but it is clear that the ev-13 genetic marker is higher in kosova albanians than of our southern brothers,,As i said to many people before,many kosova albanians come from north albania..krasnich tribe is the biggest tribe in kosova an are all from area of troopja.hitler for some stupid reason belived albanians were a very clean race,,he was a idiot,,,Anyway.So if most of kosova albanians are from north albania then the starting point of ev-13 an the language must have been the starting point in north albania,,sorry if you dont like what i have wrote,but hey dont except anything more from people whom try to say other points that might make us be invaders or some crap like that,,

 

[ukaj]

The Protogeometric Aegean: The Archaeology of the Late Eleventh and Tenth ...

By Irene S. Lemos

and

Prehistoric Epirus and the Dorian Invasion1.

N. G. L. Hammond

Since the excavations of Carapanos at Dodona in 1878, Epirus has remained terra incognita to the archaeologist. In regard to prehistoric archaeology the reason is to be found in the Epirote terrain;

When i speak to loris castriota he tells me that the byzantines gave many albanians land in epirus because no people were their they populated thoses lands to repopulate them,,from 13ctry onwards...

 

[ukaj]

If you are addressing me, I am Kelmend from Rugova.

As for the Arvanites in Greece it is very well known that Malcortë were the ones who went there in high percentages and their language is the mixture of Gheg and Tosk dialect in one. I guess the division of Tosk and Gheg happened much later on.

Malcortë<< unsure what you mean vella...i know of you rugova albanians very tradtional shqips,,an much repsect to you,my grandmother is kelmendi,an grandfather hoti,,,i have cusins from rugova muriqi family well some anyway..

 

[ukaj]

LOL, all you albanians do not even know your own language

The Albanian language was passing through the process of development during the 4th, 5th, and 6th centuries - the time when the proto-Romanian language was formed.
According to some scholars, the Romanian language should be seen as the Romanized Dacian-Moesian language, while the Albanian language is a semi-Romanized Dacian-Moesian language.

However, referring to the linguistic evidences some scholars defend the thesis that the Albanians are descendants of the ancient Dacians who have been
inhabiting and the lands south of the River of Danube (the Roman Provinces of Moesia Superior and Moesia Inferior) and migrating south-west to the territory of the present-day Albania.
Some serious indications refer Albanian ethnical origin to the Dacian-Moesian root. On the first place it is Albanian name for them – the Shqiptars,
the word of Dacian-Moesian origin, which means the “highlanders”.

From last year's documentations......albanians are of Dacian-Moesian descent, you arrived in modern eastern serbia about one to two hundred years before the slavs arrived. you initially lived from an area south of the carpathian mountains. Outside of the borders of the Roman empire.

In the late bronze age it is well documented that the Dorians occupied all of modern Albania and Epirus.

lol shqiptar isnt the old name we called ourselfs this is rubbish,shqiptar means to speak,,an their is no proof of what you write so please stop with bullshit we didnt come 2oo years before slavs this would mean 5 ctry.but our language pre dates that of that area,an what happen to the dorians?they just ran away?lol...an back in thoses days we were named as tribes etc

 

[kamani]

Since the excavations of Carapanos at Dodona in 1878, Epirus has remained terra incognita to the archaeologist.

That means unknown. And we know already that there have been a couple of Greek city-colonies in Albania. How exactly do your sources support your claim about the whole country?

 

[Ike]

.Sorry if you didnt like that,but it is clear that the ev-13 genetic marker is higher in kosova albanians than of our southern brothers,,As i said to many people before,many kosova albanians come from north albania..krasnich tribe is the biggest tribe in kosova an are all from area of troopja.hitler for some stupid reason belived albanians were a very clean race,,he was a idiot,,,Anyway.So if most of kosova albanians are from north albania then the starting point of ev-13 an the language must have been the starting point in north albania,,sorry if you dont like what i have wrote,but hey dont except anything more from people whom try to say other points that might make us be invaders or some crap like that,,

You are aware that pure reason for E-V13 peak on Kosovo is the Kosovar Albanians' natality rate which was many times higher than for the neighbouring nations in the last couple of decades? Combined with rapid relocation of Slavic population it makes a false picture of E-V13 relation with Kosovo. If it wasn't for that, the peak would probably be in Albania where you've put Krasnichi's. And there are probably many more historical events that would have moved the peak from Albanian into Thrace, Romania, Serbia or wherever... maybe even back to Kosovo.

Anyway, my objection was to the terminology through which you've related genetic marker (E-V13) to a certain linguistic (Gheg) group so easily.

lol shqiptar isnt the old name we called ourselfs this is rubbish,shqiptar means to speak,,an their is no proof of what you write so please stop with bullshit we didnt come 2oo years before slavs this would mean 5 ctry.but our language pre dates that of that area,an what happen to the dorians?they just ran away?lol...an back in thoses days we were named as tribes etc

It may be that E-V13 (and ancestors of Krasnichi tribe) lived there before supposed Albanian invasion of 500 AD and that they spoke some other language. Maybe those Albanians who came were called Dorians. Maybe they were R1b and spoke Albanian, while there were E-V13 locals speaking some pre-IE language.

 

[Sile]

When i speak to loris castriota he tells me that the byzantines gave many albanians land in epirus because no people were their they populated thoses lands to repopulate them,,from 13ctry onwards...

LOL, please stop your B.S.
Read what i presented from 2013 scholars

Loris who......stop the B.S and accept that latest findings from 2013 Scholars

You guys do not even agree between each other on what Shqiptars means.

Go organise yourselves and clear up your own language.......or are you a slav trying to deflect what these scholars say that albanoans arrived in serbia 200 years before the serbs?

 

[Sile]

That means unknown. And we know already that there have been a couple of Greek city-colonies in Albania. How exactly do your sources support your claim about the whole country?

so you read the book!...what else did it say?

 

[Sile]

.Sorry if you didnt like that,but it is clear that the ev-13 genetic marker is higher in kosova albanians than of our southern brothers,,As i said to many people before,many kosova albanians come from north albania..krasnich tribe is the biggest tribe in kosova an are all from area of troopja.hitler for some stupid reason belived albanians were a very clean race,,he was a idiot,,,Anyway.So if most of kosova albanians are from north albania then the starting point of ev-13 an the language must have been the starting point in north albania,,sorry if you dont like what i have wrote,but hey dont except anything more from people whom try to say other points that might make us be invaders or some crap like that,,

ROFL, whats language have to do with genetics...LOL

Albanian language is a semi-Romanized Dacian-Moesian language.

 

[kamani]

so you read the book!...what else did it say?

what did it say? support your claims. (but you're funny, I give you that; throwing the old "the proof is in the book" trick)

 

[ukaj]

You are aware that pure reason for E-V13 peak on Kosovo is the Kosovar Albanians' natality rate which was many times higher than for the neighbouring nations in the last couple of decades? Combined with rapid relocation of Slavic population it makes a false picture of E-V13 relation with Kosovo. If it wasn't for that, the peak would probably be in Albania where you've put Krasnichi's. And there are probably many more historical events that would have moved the peak from Albanian into Thrace, Romania, Serbia or wherever... maybe even back to Kosovo.

Anyway, my objection was to the terminology through which you've related genetic marker (E-V13) to a certain linguistic (Gheg) group so easily.




It may be that E-V13 (and ancestors of Krasnichi tribe) lived there before supposed Albanian invasion of 500 AD and that they spoke some other language. Maybe those Albanians who came were called Dorians. Maybe they were R1b and spoke Albanian, while there were E-V13 locals speaking some pre-IE language.

I didnt know in that serbians speak albanian my friend because clearly they tested albanians using the term kosova albanian?It also said from ocford an standford that they tested serbians also that have 27% ev-13 in serbia?.This is easy explained,when serbians migrated they mixed with the local people of that region,this is one reason how ev-13 is in serbians blood,but then krasnichi tribe,vaschechi,shoshi,mirdita,kelmendi,hoti,treisha all these tribes are related an are malesia albanians,,as i said krasnichi of kosova is huge it makes up more than half the population of albanian kosovas,,

 

[ukaj]

ROFL, whats language have to do with genetics...LOL

Albanian language is a semi-Romanized Dacian-Moesian language.

since albanian ghegs are the most traditional albanians an most likely of balkans it has much to do with it,preserving albanian language is very very major in albanian,,preserving blood is very very major,as i said mixiing with none albanians when you follow the kanuni doesnt go down to well,as i said i know albanian woman falling in love an wanting to be with a serbian,,the father has killed her,because of dirty blood,Sorry if insulted any serbians that is just how albanians do things is customs.