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cool! I drove through Tirana and crossed the border at Qafe Thane with my dad a few years ago. It's such beautiful countryside, those winding mountain highways are pretty terrifying/awe inspiring.
I have some family around Ohrid/Struga as well! In response to my earlier post, I just meant you, me, and greek mainlanders share more or less the same soup of ancesters, give or take a few percentage differences in each category. I am Macedonian, with my grandparents coming from around either Prilep or Bitola, I don't have 23andme, but on ancestry I noticed I had quite a few distant relations (5-8th cousin range) who were Albanian, Kosovar Albanian, and Greek, in addition to the expected Bulgarian, so maybe the region was more admixed in the past than current divisions would have us believe!
My kit number is A074272, I tried to see if we were related but I'm not that handy with gedmatch yet, what I got says we have 1 matching segment of 6.8cM, maybe cousins?
 
selectivememri said:
cool! I drove through Tirana and crossed the border at Qafe Thane with my dad a few years ago. It's such beautiful countryside, those winding mountain highways are pretty terrifying/awe inspiring.
I have some family around Ohrid/Struga as well! In response to my earlier post, I just meant you, me, and greek mainlanders share more or less the same soup of ancesters, give or take a few percentage differences in each category. I am Macedonian, with my grandparents coming from around either Prilep or Bitola, I don't have 23andme, but on ancestry I noticed I had quite a few distant relations (5-8th cousin range) who were Albanian, Kosovar Albanian, and Greek, in addition to the expected Bulgarian, so maybe the region was more admixed in the past than current divisions would have us believe!
My kit number is A074272, I tried to see if we were related but I'm not that handy with gedmatch yet, what I got says we have 1 matching segment of 6.8cM, maybe cousins?
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If we have a matching segment it means we are distantly related I think! I could be wrong(still new to this). But I assume if we share any segments we are related. Typically if you have no shared segments on 23andme they dont connect you as genetic relatives.

Interesting indeed. the map shows a couple people around prilep and Struga. maybe common ancestors?

I honestly believe the regions were way more admixed than now. Think about it. Nationalism is rather a recent phenomena. Back then people married based on similar rites and religions.

It was more common that catholics married catholics, and christians married christians etc. I have stories of a few distant cousins marrying Torbes Muslims which are typically Macedonian Muslims right?

I think the Balkans are a mixed bag in general. The closest ethnic groups on my Gedmatch were Albanian, Greek, Bulgarian, Tuscan, Romanian, Montenegrin etc. Interestingly, my father tested closer to Greeks than Albanians on his Gedmatch. Which is peculiar considering we are Ghegs. My only guess is maybe my grandmother added significant greek ancestry. But her family were Ghegs as well.
 
selectivememri said:
cool! I drove through Tirana and crossed the border at Qafe Thane with my dad a few years ago. It's such beautiful countryside, those winding mountain highways are pretty terrifying/awe inspiring.
I have some family around Ohrid/Struga as well! In response to my earlier post, I just meant you, me, and greek mainlanders share more or less the same soup of ancesters, give or take a few percentage differences in each category. I am Macedonian, with my grandparents coming from around either Prilep or Bitola, I don't have 23andme, but on ancestry I noticed I had quite a few distant relations (5-8th cousin range) who were Albanian, Kosovar Albanian, and Greek, in addition to the expected Bulgarian, so maybe the region was more admixed in the past than current divisions would have us believe!
My kit number is A074272, I tried to see if we were related but I'm not that handy with gedmatch yet, what I got says we have 1 matching segment of 6.8cM, maybe cousins?
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Hmm I just checked our kits together and there are no shared segments. weird. Maybe a typo?
 
Europeans# of samplesS-IndianBalochCaucasianNE-EuroSE-AsianSiberianNE-AsianPapuanAmericanBeringianMediterraneanSW-AsianSanE-AfricanPygmyW-African
PolandLeBrok1710571100002210000100
NetherlandsNortherner096550001002900000100
Italy, NE70720340000003160000100
Italy, NW5062033000000346000099
Italy, Tuscany40725280000003280000100
Italy, South508321700000027130100100
Sicily509321800000027120100100
Sardinia 200231700000048110000100
serbianharappa0%8%23%42%1%0%0%0%0%0%22%3%0%0%0%0%
bulgarianyunusbayev0%5%28%36%0%1%0%0%0%1%23%5%0%0%0%0%
Macedoniaselectivememri0625350100012570000100
Albania, GhegDibran0530270000003080000100
Greek, mainland306322500000026110000100
Greek, Islands, East509381400100023140000100
Cyprus411044610000020170000100
Ashkenazy?1534190010002414010099
turk-istanbul?11645111330011190000100
bulgarianyunusbayev0%5%28%36%0%1%0%0%0%1%23%5%0%0%0%0%
 
Dibran said:
LeBrok I was included in the result. I am Gheg Albanian from Diber. Fathers origins from Mirdita.

It says im close to a Greek mainlander (if I'm interpreting that correctly).


I don't know of any Greek ancestry. My moms side are part of the Shpata clan who claim descent from Gjin Bua Shpata of Epirus. As far as I know he was Arvanite. Maybe that's the connection? But my moms family has been in Puka Albania and Montenegro(Hoti/Gruda) for the last 300 years.

My paternal grandmother had the surname Stefa/Stafa. Interestingly I had some Greek relatives with the surname Stefas. Idk if there is a connection but it was through my fathers side. She was T1(my father took the test). Her cousin(paternal uncles son) came up E-V13. So now I have my grandmothers maternal and paternal line. I'm just missing my maternal grandfathers line.

My mothers grandmother bore the surname Pitsari which I had an Italian and Greek show up with some form of that last name, related through my mothers side. My mothers line through her father may be from Epirus. Her mother is from Gjakova in Kosova. We don't know any further back. My fathers line has been between Mirdita and Diber Vogel as far as we know.
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Maybe the original Pitsari was really Pizzari ...........as the first z has a T sound , like Pizza


http://www.cognomix.it/mappe-dei-cognomi-italiani/PIZZARI

Pitsari does not exist in Italy
 
i lowered the default match length from 7 to 3 to pick up on any smaller chunks, try that!
 
LeBrok said:
Cool got it, thanks. Yes you plot very close to Greek Mainland. I was hoping for more Albanians to post their results. We need more Albanians to see how you fit in the big picture. Slavic countries around Albania and Greece plot much higher in Steppe admixtures.
Here is yours among other Mainland Greeks I have.

Greek, mainlandPopulationS-IndianBalochCaucasianNE-EuroSE-AsianSiberianNE-AsianPapuanAmericanBeringianMediterraneanSW-AsianSanE-AfricanPygmyW-African
1Mainland 6 33 24 0 1 24 12
2Mainland 8 31 26 1 0 26 9
3Mainland 4 31 24 1 0 0 28 12 0 0
Albania, Gheg, DiberDibran0530270000003080000

I would say you have a little bit more Neolithic Farmer and Steppe than mainland Greece.
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Great Info bro thank you!. I have my fathers GedMatch results, if that helps to include another Albanian and draw the distinction between his and my mother contributions? Here is my fathers result.

[h=2]HarappaWorld Oracle results:[/h][FONT=&quot]23 April 2013 - Oracle reference population percentages revised.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Kit M504390[/FONT]

Admix Results (sorted):

#PopulationPercent
1Caucasian29.8
2Mediterranean29.29
3NE-Euro24.86
4SW-Asian7.82
5Baloch6.43
6Beringian0.45
7American0.44
8Siberian0.36
9Papuan0.29
10San0.27



 
Lol Dibran, If I were to take a dna test my results would be close to yours! The only significant difference would lie in tbe Mediterranean and sw asian scores-your mediterraneab would be higher and my sw asian would be higher.
 
selectivememri said:
i lowered the default match length from 7 to 3 to pick up on any smaller chunks, try that!
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Ok now I see. Interesting. Maybe a distant relation. I tested with LivingDNA so I cant wait for their results.
 
LeBrok said:
@ Joey D, your best match is Greek East-Islander. You have a tiny bit more LN farmer that lowers SW Asian and raises Med, I would say. Like your ancestors come from Ancient Greece (before Slavic invasion) who survived in Sicilian village secluded and not mixing since. Or just coincidental mixing of genetics made you look like East Greek islander. ;)
# of samplesS-IndianBalochCaucasianNE-EuroSE-AsianSiberianNE-AsianPapuanAmericanBeringianMediterraneanSW-AsianSanE-AfricanPygmyW-African
Joey D 9 38 15 1 25 11 1 1
Greek, East0 9 38 14 0 0 1 0 0 0 23 14 0 0 - 0
Sicily09321800000027120100
Ashkenazy15341900100024140100
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I remember there was a thread which translated your DNA results to map coordinates, and I did indeed end up on an Eastern Greek island, from memory, just East of Crete.
 
Dibran said:
Lol` Idk. The greek relative was a Pitsaris. The Italian one was Picari if I recall.
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In Italian Picari can be of Spanish origin (from the Spanish "picaro", trickster, rogue or rascal, see picaresque). In Italian "c" (/k/ or a soft ⟨c⟩) never represents the "t͡s".
 
Pax Augusta said:
In Italian Picari can be of Spanish origin (from the Spanish "picaro", trickster, rogue or rascal, see picaresque). In Italian "c" (/k/ or a soft ⟨c⟩) never represents the "t͡s".
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So most likely the link would be with the Greek Pitsaris?
 
Dibran said:
Great Info bro thank you!. I have my fathers GedMatch results, if that helps to include another Albanian and draw the distinction between his and my mother contributions? Here is my fathers result.

HarappaWorld Oracle results:

23 April 2013 - Oracle reference population percentages revised.

Kit M504390

Admix Results (sorted):

#PopulationPercent
1Caucasian29.8
2Mediterranean29.29
3NE-Euro24.86
4SW-Asian7.82
5Baloch6.43
6Beringian0.45
7American0.44
8Siberian0.36
9Papuan0.29
10San0.27
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Added, your father looks a bit more like Greek than you. I suppose, your mother must have a bit more Steppe NE Euro than you.



Europeans# of samplesS-IndianBalochCaucasianNE-EuroSE-AsianSiberianNE-AsianPapuanAmericanBeringianMediterraneanSW-AsianSanE-AfricanPygmyW-African
PolandLeBrok1710571100002210000100
NetherlandsNortherner096550001002900000100
Italy, NE70720340000003160000100
Italy, NW5062033000000346000099
Italy, Tuscany40725280000003280000100
Italy, South508321700000027130100100
Sicily509321800000027120100100
Sardinia200231700000048110000100
Macedoniaselectivememri0625350100012570000100
Albania20630260000002980000100
Greek, mainland306322500000026110000100
Greek, Islands, East509381400100023140000100
Cyprus411044610000020170000100
Ashkenazy?1534190010002414010099
turk-istanbul?11645111330011190000100
 
LeBrok said:
Added, your father looks a bit more like Greek than you. I suppose, your mother must have a bit more Steppe NE Euro than you.



Europeans# of samplesS-IndianBalochCaucasianNE-EuroSE-AsianSiberianNE-AsianPapuanAmericanBeringianMediterraneanSW-AsianSanE-AfricanPygmyW-African
PolandLeBrok1710571100002210000100
NetherlandsNortherner096550001002900000100
Italy, NE70720340000003160000100
Italy, NW5062033000000346000099
Italy, Tuscany40725280000003280000100
Italy, South508321700000027130100100
Sicily509321800000027120100100
Sardinia200231700000048110000100
Macedoniaselectivememri0625350100012570000100
Albania20630260000002980000100
Greek, mainland306322500000026110000100
Greek, Islands, East509381400100023140000100
Cyprus411044610000020170000100
Ashkenazy?1534190010002414010099
turk-istanbul?11645111330011190000100
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Interesting. I don't see how Greek ancestry works in there. For my mom it made sense given oral history. But her family have been in Malesi for sometime. So the higher steppe makes sense. But my fathers line were always in Mirdita and Diber. Mirdita is very isolated or was any ways. Some of the purely Albanian place names exist there. The only thing I could suggest, maybe my paternal grandmother added Greek ancestry?

I would assume Muslim Greeks such as Muslim Torbes would marry into Albanian Muslim or Slavic Muslim households.

But I don't see how Greeks would go up north. Unless they were Muslim Greeks? Idk. Lol
 
Dibran said:
Interesting. I don't see how Greek ancestry works in there. For my mom it made sense given oral history. But her family have been in Malesi for sometime. So the higher steppe makes sense. But my fathers line were always in Mirdita and Diber. Mirdita is very isolated or was any ways. Some of the purely Albanian place names exist there. The only thing I could suggest, maybe my paternal grandmother added Greek ancestry?

I would assume Muslim Greeks such as Muslim Torbes would marry into Albanian Muslim or Slavic Muslim households.

But I don't see how Greeks would go up north. Unless they were Muslim Greeks? Idk. Lol
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Differences are small, could have been anyone in 3rd or 4th generation, or these are typical genetic variations of modern Albanian population. We won't know till we have more samples.
 
Dibran, your much closer to my results I think. I usually dont plot with Albanians, but I seem to drift to South East Europe, than the Levant, and than Western Europe. You might have some Greek, your Caucasian and SW Asian seem kinda high.
 
LeBrok said:
Differences are small, could have been anyone in 3rd or 4th generation, or these are typical genetic variations of modern Albanian population. We won't know till we have more samples.
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Good point. Still inconclusive as of yet. I'm sure it's possible though. My father seems more Mediterranean as opposed to Dinaric which is common with Ghegs. I seem to be a mix I think. My mom seems dinaric-med. does taxonomy help at all? I have been told I look typically Albanian. I'll post a pic shortly.
 
New Englander said:
Dibran, your much closer to my results I think. I usually dont plot with Albanians, but I seem to drift to South East Europe, than the Levant, and than Western Europe. You might have some Greek, your Caucasian and SW Asian seem kinda high.
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You do look like a Celtic Balkanite. Similar appearance to some norther Gheg Albanians. I had a drop of British and Irish ancestry. Maybe that influences it in some way? I'm realllly white lol. While most Albanians seem to be a medium white to olive. I burn really easily. Lol
 
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