I took that nickname on Krstarica only for the joke. Once I was joking with one guy there that I am R1a-Z93.
Honestly I don't like India and their culture and religion. I am not R1a-Z93, thanks God. That haplogroup doesn't exist among Serbs, unlike Bosniaks and Croatians. Bosniak Bećir from Bosanska Krajina is R1a-Z93, and he has Turkish origin for sure. Croatian guy from Lika who is R1a-Z93 is descendant of Lika Muslim convertits on Catholicism in late 17th century, and that means he also has Turkish paternal origin. If I am R1a-Z93 I would have Turkish or Jewish paternal line, I say again thanks God because I don't carry R1a-Z93.
Btw my cousin by paternal line who live in diaspora was tested. I told that to few guys from Poreklo long time ago.
Yes those Croats are surely of Turkish origin they have been written down as such. Other Croat had Jewish Z93.
R-Z93 is the hg I like. I'll show you something.
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These are pages of two of my numerous copybooks, bottom one is Ossetian, upper is Wakhi. Look at the dates, upper page was written by me in March 2016, the bottom September 2015, long before I ever posted anything at poreklo or here.. I love languages with so many "kh"/"h" sounds like one finds in Afro-Asiatic and Iranic as they had early shift s->kh.
In Slavic it is solntse, sol etc. like in many other IE languages. In Ossetic it is Xur/Khur, s->x and l->r, sounds stronger, manlier..
That is from Russian books, and then I chose to translate it in English, one can mostly learn those from the Russian only.
Ossetic descends of Alanic and Wakhi descends of Saka, Wakhi is I believe closest to Ossetic. So few people speak. You see also carefully written Wakhi verbs in gold (Scythian gold) and most in red for a reason.. And I don't study language spoken by 58 000 people for no reason..
This Bronze Age Bulgarian R-Z93
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# | | Primary Population (source) | Secondary Population (source) | Distance | | | | |
1 | | 55.3% | Finn_West ( ) | + | 44.7% | Tajik_Pomiri_Shugnan ( ) | @ | 6.4 |
2 | | 78.7% | Finn_West ( ) | + | 21.3% | Kalash ( ) | @ | 6.54 |
3 | | 53.7% | Finn_West ( ) | + | 46.3% | Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan ( ) | @ | 6.8 |
4 | | 54.7% | Swede_Saami ( ) | + | 45.3% | Tajik_Pomiri_Shugnan ( ) | @ | 6.98 |
5 | | 52% | Tajik_Pomiri_Shugnan ( ) | + | 48% | Swede ( ) | @ | 7.13 |
6 | | 59.9% | Finn_West ( ) | + | 40.1% | Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim ( ) | @ | 7.19 |
7 | | 76.9% | Finn_West ( ) | + | 23.1% | Brahui ( ) | @ | 7.19 |
8 | | 51.1% | Tajik_Pomiri_Shugnan ( ) | + | 48.9% | Dane ( ) | @ | 7.37 |
9 | | 73.5% | Finn_West ( ) | + | 26.5% | Makrani ( ) | @ | 7.39 |
10 | | 77.8% | Erzya ( ) | + | 22.2% | Kalash ( ) | @ | 7.41 |
11 | | 59.3% | Swede_Saami ( ) | + | 40.7% | Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim ( ) | @ | 7.45 |
12 | | 75.1% | Finn_West ( ) | + | 24.9% | Balochi ( ) | @ | 7.46 |
13 | | 53% | Swede_Saami ( ) | + | 47% | Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan ( ) | @ | 7.54 |
14 | | 53.8% | Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan ( ) | + | 46.2% | Swede ( ) | @ | 7.54 |
15 | | 78.7% | Swede_Saami ( ) | + | 21.3% | Kalash ( ) | @ | 7.64 |
16 | | 74.6% | Russian-Upper-Volga ( ) | + | 25.4% | Kalash ( ) | @ | 7.65 |
17 | | 52.7% | Finn ( ) | + | 47.3% | Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan ( ) | @ | 7.72 |
18 | | 53.4% | Tajik_Pomiri_Shugnan ( ) | + | 46.6% | Norwegian_East ( ) | @ | 7.72 |
19 | | 54.6% | Finn ( ) | + | 45.4% | Tajik_Pomiri_Shugnan ( ) | @ | 7.76 |
20 | | 55.4% | Tajik_Pomiri_Shugnan ( ) | + | 44.6% | Norwegian_West ( ) | @ | 7.79 |
I0575 Ancient Sarmatian I0575 Early Sarmatian 500–100 R-Y21707* Southern Urals
12 | | 50.1% | Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim ( ) | + | 49.9% | Icelandic ( ) | @ | 10.24 |
13 | | 53.3% | Tajik_Pomiri_Shugnan ( ) | + | 46.7% | Icelandic ( ) | @ | 10.25 |
14 | | 52.2% | Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim ( ) | + | 47.8% | Norwegian_West ( ) | @ | 10.37 |
DA136 Ancient Sarmatian Rostov R (R1a Z93?) , 1-100 AD
| | | | | | | | |
1 | | 67.4% | Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan ( ) | + | 32.6% | Udmurd ( ) | @ | 6.97 |
2 | | 68.7% | Tajik_Yagnobi ( ) | + | 31.3% | Saami ( ) | @ | 7.2 |
3 | | 66.9% | Tajik_Pomiri_Shugnan ( ) | + | 33.1% | Udmurd ( ) | @ | 7.73 |
4 | | 65.7% | Tajik_Pomiri_Shugnan ( ) | + | 34.3% | Komi ( ) | @ | 7.85 |
5 | | 63.3% | Tajik_Pomiri_Shugnan ( ) | + | 36.7% | Tatar ( ) | @ | 8 |
6 | | 67.1% | Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan ( ) | + | 32.9% | Komi ( ) | @ | 8.01 |
7 | | 67.1% | Tajik_Pomiri_Shugnan ( ) | + | 32.9% | Chuvash ( ) | @ | 8.02 |
8 | | 66.7% | Tajik_Pomiri_Shugnan ( ) | + | 33.3% | Finn ( ) | @ | 8.07 |
9 | | 68.4% | Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan ( ) | + | 31.6% | Chuvash ( ) | @ | 8.08 |
10 | | 67.4% | Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan ( ) | + | 32.6% | Bashkir ( ) | @ | 8.13 |
11 | | 66.4% | Tajik_Pomiri_Shugnan ( ) | + | 33.6% | Tatar_Kryashen ( ) | @ | 8.13 |
12 | | 75.1% | Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan ( ) | + | 24.9% | Saami ( ) | @ | 8.18 |
13 | | 72.8% | Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan ( ) | + | 27.2% | Saami_Finland ( ) | @ | 8.23 |
14 | | 64.7% | Tajik_Pomiri_Shugnan ( ) | + | 35.3% | Chuvashs ( ) | @ | 8.28 |
15 | | 71.7% | Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan ( ) | + | 28.3% | Mari ( ) | @ | 8.34 |
16 | | 68.7% | Tajik_Pomiri_Shugnan ( ) | + | 31.3% | Saami_Kola ( ) | @ | 8.34 |
17 | | 76.4% | Tajik_Yagnobi ( ) | + | 23.6% | Hakas ( ) | @ | 8.36 |
18 | | 66.6% | Tajik_Pomiri_Shugnan ( ) | + | 33.4% | Russian-Ural ( ) | @ | 8.37 |
19 | | 67.8% | Tajik_Pomiri_Shugnan ( ) | + | 32.2% | Finnish_FIN ( ) | @ | 8.39 |
20 | | 67.2% | Tajik_Pomiri_Shugnan ( ) | + | 32.8% | Finn_East ( ) | @ | 8.4 |
DA141 Ancient Sarmatian , Rostov Q-YP771 , 1-100 AD
1 | | 64.7% | Tajik_Yagnobi ( ) | + | 35.3% | Saami ( ) | @ | 6.51 |
2 | | 60.2% | Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan ( ) | + | 39.8% | Bashkir ( ) | @ | 7.01 |
3 | | 61.6% | Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan ( ) | +38.4% | | Chuvash ( ) | @ | 7.02 |
4 | | 60.3% | Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan ( ) | + | 39.7% | Komi ( ) | @ | 7.03 |
5 | | 63% | Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan ( ) | + | 37% | Udmurd ( ) | @ | 7.04 |
6 | | 55.3% | Tajik_Pomiri_Shugnan ( ) | + | 44.7% | Tatar ( ) | @ | 7.18 |
7 | | 58.6% | Tajik_Pomiri_Shugnan ( ) | + | 41.4% | Komi ( ) | @ | 7.2 |
8 | | 63% | Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan ( ) | + | 37% | Saami_Kola ( ) | @ | 7.21 |
9 | | 66.9% | Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan ( ) | + | 33.1% | Saami_Finland ( ) | @ | 7.26 |
10 | | 59.5% | Tajik_Pomiri_Shugnan ( ) | + | 40.5% | Finn ( ) | @ | 7.29 |
11 | | 56.4% | Tajik_Pomiri_Shugnan ( ) | + | 43.6% | Chuvashs ( ) | @ | 7.31 |
12 | | 54.6% | Tajik_Yagnobi ( ) | + | 45.4% | Bashkir ( ) | @ | 7.31 |
13 | | 60% | Tajik_Pomiri_Shugnan ( ) | + | 40% | Chuvash ( ) | @ | 7.32 |
14 | | 61.3% | Tajik_Pomiri_Shugnan ( ) | + | 38.7% | Saami_Kola ( ) | @ | 7.32 |
15 | | 72.7% | Tatar_Kryashen ( ) | + | 27.3% | Kalash ( ) | @ | 7.32 |
16 | | 58.2% | Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan ( ) | + | 41.8% | Chuvashs ( ) | @ | 7.34 |
17 | | 58.8% | Tajik_Pomiri_Shugnan ( ) | + | 41.2% | Karelian ( ) | @ | 7.4 |
18 | | 65.6% | Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan ( ) | + | 34.4% | Mari ( ) | @ | 7.44 |
19 | | 57.3% | Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan ( ) | + | 42.7% | Tatar ( ) | @ | 7.52 |
20 | | 59.4% | Tajik_Pomiri_Shugnan ( ) | + | 40.6% | Tatar_Kryashen ( ) | @ | 7.56 |
I0247, Scythian, Samara 380-200 BC R-Z93>Z2123
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance1 60.1% Tajik_Yagnobi ( ) + 39.9% Saami ( ) @ 4.59
2 55.7% Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan ( ) + 44.3% Udmurd ( ) @ 5.76
3 56.3% Tajik_Yagnobi ( ) + 43.7% Saami_Finland ( ) @ 5.97
4 74.8% Tatar_Kryashen ( ) + 25.2% Kalash ( ) @ 6.02
5 53% Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan ( ) + 47% Komi ( ) @ 6.24
6 60.5% Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan ( ) + 39.5% Saami_Finland ( ) @ 6.26
7 51.6% Tajik_Pomiri_Shugnan ( ) + 48.4% Komi ( ) @ 6.27
8 54.8% Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan ( ) + 45.2% Chuvash ( ) @ 6.39
9 78.2% Tatar ( ) + 21.8% Kalash ( ) @ 6.51
10 58.9% Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan ( ) + 41.1% Mari ( ) @ 6.56
11 54.9% Tajik_Pomiri_Shugnan ( ) + 45.1% Saami_Kola ( ) @ 6.56
12 53.5% Tajik_Pomiri_Shugnan ( ) + 46.5% Chuvash ( ) @ 6.56
13 56.3% Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan ( ) + 43.7% Saami_Kola ( ) @ 6.6
14 50.3% Chuvashs ( ) + 49.7% Tajik_Pomiri_Shugnan ( ) @ 6.88
15 51.3% Tatar ( ) + 48.7% Tajik_Pomiri_Shugnan ( ) @ 6.9
16 50.2% Bashkir ( ) + 49.8% Tajik_Yagnobi ( ) @ 6.96
17 72.9% Tatar_Kryashen ( ) + 27.1% Brahui ( ) @ 7.01
18 54.6% Tajik_Pomiri_Shugnan ( ) + 45.4% Udmurd ( ) @ 7.04
19 51.1% Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan ( ) + 48.9% Chuvashs ( ) @ 7.05
20 53.5% Tajik_Pomiri_Shugnan ( ) + 46.5% Finn ( ) @ 7.06
That is why Pamiri peoples pop out all the time, because they retain more original Scythian autosomal element as shown recently in a study. And they speak languages such as Wakhi (descended of Saka), Yagnobi (of Sogdian) etc. They absorbed local admixture but far less than neighboring groups. So having them for the first time in MDLP k23 is a very good measure to reflect Steppe Iranic autosomal component.
Aspurgs MDLP K23 2 populations:
1 93% Serb_BH ( ) +
7% Tajik_Yagnobi ( ) @ 1.02
2 92.5% Croat ( ) +
7.5% Tajik_Yagnobi ( ) @ 1.13
3 94.4% Serb_BH ( ) +
5.6% Tajik_Pomiri_Shugnan ( ) @ 1.17
4 94% Serb_BH ( ) +
6% Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan ( ) @ 1.19
5 50.3% Russian_South ( ) + 49.7% Greek_Northwest ( )@ 1.25
6 94.6% Bosnian ( ) +
5.4% Tajik_Yagnobi ( ) @ 1.28
7 94.9% Serb_BH ( ) + 5
.1% Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim ( ) @ 1.3
8 93.6% Croat ( ) +
6.4% Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan ( ) @ 1.31
9 94% Croat ( ) +
6% Tajik_Pomiri_Shugnan ( ) @1.33
10 79.4% Hungarian_Budapest ( ) +
20.6% Crimean_Tatar_Coast ( ) @ 1.33
11 53.8% Greek_Northwest ( ) + 46.2% Belarusian_South ( )@ 1.34
12 95.4% Bosnian ( ) +
4.6% Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan ( ) @ 1.35
13 95.7% Bosnian ( ) +
4.3% Tajik_Pomiri_Shugnan ( ) @1.35
14 51.6% Belarusian-East ( ) + 48.4% Greek_Northwest ( ) @ 1.37
15 95.1% Serb_BH ( ) + 4.9% Pashtun_Afghani ( ) @ 1.38
16 65.7% Kashub ( ) + 34.3% Greek_Athens ( )@ 1.38
17 55.7% Ukrainian_Center ( ) + 44.3% Greek_Northwest ( ) @ 1.39
18 53% Russian_South ( ) + 47% Kosovar ( ) @ 1.39
19 54.5% Ukrainian_East ( ) + 45.5% Greek_Northwest ( ) @ 1.41
20 94.5% Croat ( ) +
5.5% Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim ( ) @ 1.43
I am modelled as almost ideally (distance 1.0-1.43) as a mix of what I am ethnically and a bit of Pamiris that is Saka/Sarmatian.. I'm quite close to Hungarians too, and I got there Crimean Tatar at 20 % (in 4 pops I get it all the time), though coastal Crimean Tatars are of course less "steppe" than some others.. When I get Kosovar who are most northern Albanians, then I'm Russian from the other side..
I checked over 60, 70 results of other Serbs and Bosniaks, getting Pamiris is not common at all but happens here and there.
So I got some autosomal justice for my studies, and ofc I want more if possible..
I like Steppe peoples, because I respect those who expand, conquer, impose themselves regardless of their background..