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Comparing Ancient Greek populations to modern Greeks and Italians

I took the liberty of using the same samples used by Pax in the posts #s 128 and 135 (G25 scaled coordinates posted next) to calculate the three basic components in my own sample, obviously adding in source data the Taforalt and the Shun Laka to accommodate and adjust my own distances.

Code: 
GEO_CHG:KK1,0.091058,0.102568,-0.083344,-0.00323,-0.08617,0.020638,0.024911,-0.001846,-0.128236,-0.074717,-0.006333,0.023979,-0.054856,0.004404,0.026601,-0.03275,0.02386,-0.013429,-0.022249,0.034767,0.033815,-0.007048,0.006532,-0.025787,-0.002036
IRN_Ganj_Dareh_Historic:I1955,0.094473,0.111708,-0.053551,-0.027455,-0.044316,-0.003347,0.00376,-0.004384,-0.03027,-0.016037,0.004709,-0.004046,0.005649,0.008533,0.004072,-0.002121,-0.022948,-0.004434,0.005531,-0.009755,-0.002496,-0.002844,0.001849,-0.008194,-0.001796
IRN_Hajji_Firuz_BA:I4243,0.113823,0.117801,-0.003394,0.034884,-0.020927,0.019801,0.00893,0.000692,-0.045813,-0.036265,0.012017,0.007643,-0.004162,-0.012248,0.019815,0.001193,-0.007432,0.00038,-0.004902,0.002751,-0.000749,-0.00371,0.001356,0.005061,0.000958
IRN_Hajji_Firuz_C:I2323,0.091058,0.133034,-0.084098,-0.066538,-0.04647,-0.024821,0.009165,-0.006692,-0.027815,-0.004191,0.003735,-0.000899,0.001338,0.004954,-0.000543,-0.004641,-0.012126,0.0019,0.010684,-0.016008,-0.00025,-0.006306,-0.011462,-0.014098,-0.000359
IRN_Hajji_Firuz_C:I4241,0.092197,0.138112,-0.073916,-0.070091,-0.034776,-0.02259,0.010575,-0.000462,-0.033746,0.003827,0.005846,0.001798,0.002527,-0.011147,-0.011265,0.020551,0.019166,0.00152,0.001383,0.001501,0.012603,-0.004328,-0.008011,-0.009881,0.006706
IRN_Hajji_Firuz_C:I4349,0.08992,0.123895,-0.082967,-0.060078,-0.051086,-0.016176,0.011516,-0.011538,-0.047245,-0.008565,0.00341,-0.003297,-0.006987,-0.006331,-0.003393,0.009679,0.009388,0.003674,0.002891,-0.001876,0.003993,-0.002597,-0.005916,-0.016629,-0.002036
IRN_Hajji_Firuz_C:I4351,0.085367,0.136081,-0.071276,-0.070414,-0.042469,-0.01506,0.008225,-0.007615,-0.031906,-0.003462,0.007795,-0.002847,0.000595,0.004679,-0.003257,-0.011138,-0.012908,0.002027,-0.00176,-0.009004,0.001747,-0.000124,-0.008011,-0.006989,-0.001676
IRN_Hajji_Firuz_IA:I2327,0.095611,0.111708,-0.069767,-0.036176,-0.047393,0.003626,-0.00235,-0.001846,-0.043155,-0.019499,0.003897,-0.002997,0.008771,0.002615,0.00095,0.009679,-0.010561,0.012922,0.006788,-0.003627,-0.003868,-0.013107,-0.004067,-0.004699,0.007664
IRN_Hasanlu_IA:F38,0.09675,0.121864,-0.06939,-0.04199,-0.0437,-0.003904,0.002115,-0.004615,-0.033746,-0.014761,0.005684,0.001049,0.004757,-0.007707,0.003664,0.026916,0.009518,0.002534,0.006034,-0.001376,-0.000873,-0.000618,0.000493,-0.003133,-0.001557
Levant_PPNB:I0867,0.072847,0.17264,-0.030924,-0.147935,0.034468,-0.068607,-0.016451,-0.011999,0.072606,0.048839,0.010555,-0.013038,0.029583,-0.008257,-0.024837,0.007425,0.020861,-0.008615,-0.004651,0.023886,-0.00025,0.004328,0,-0.005302,-0.006826
Levant_PPNB:I1707,0.067156,0.140143,-0.041483,-0.137276,0.032929,-0.063029,-0.006345,-0.017768,0.069947,0.036812,0.031991,-0.014237,0.032111,0.008945,-0.018594,-0.001326,0.003129,-0.004687,0.003142,0.009254,-0.009858,0.013849,0.000123,0.004579,-0.002275
Levant_PPNB:I1710,0.092197,0.182795,-0.021873,-0.134046,0.0397,-0.058009,-0.01034,-0.00923,0.061971,0.038452,0.016564,-0.015586,0.032111,-0.006606,-0.042073,0.020949,0.024251,0.009248,-0.01169,0.026638,-0.001622,0.007296,-0.006409,-0.011206,-0.0097
TUR_Barcin_N:I0707,0.122929,0.184826,0.001886,-0.110144,0.054779,-0.048527,0.00141,-0.011769,0.036201,0.08474,0.011205,0.016335,-0.021704,0.002615,-0.038409,-0.014187,0.022817,0.00114,0.012947,-0.002751,-0.011979,0.009645,-0.008627,0.001566,-0.001676
TUR_Barcin_N:I0708,0.119514,0.173656,-0.003017,-0.101745,0.042469,-0.046854,-0.00094,-0.012692,0.021066,0.074717,0.009419,0.009142,-0.017691,0.000963,-0.041938,-0.007955,0.024121,0.000633,0.015209,-0.013882,-0.022336,0.008903,-0.012448,-0.012652,-0.007305
TUR_Barcin_N:I0709,0.119514,0.19092,0.008674,-0.108206,0.050163,-0.044065,-0.00282,-0.003923,0.038655,0.088202,0.006983,0.012289,-0.023488,0.001789,-0.042345,-0.023999,0.002347,-0.003674,0.011941,-0.019759,-0.006239,0.012242,-0.000616,-0.00723,-0.002994
TUR_Barcin_N:I0723,0.118376,0.178733,0.009805,-0.103037,0.057241,-0.05773,0.003525,0.000462,0.041518,0.080548,0.001624,0.004946,-0.027056,-0.005643,-0.043702,-0.006762,0.03729,0.00152,0.017975,-0.009254,-0.015473,0.002968,0.006779,-0.00012,-0.006227
TUR_Barcin_N:I0724,0.117238,0.168578,0.018856,-0.10013,0.052933,-0.047969,-0.00094,-0.004384,0.031088,0.075446,0.008931,0.01139,-0.017691,-0.003303,-0.045059,0.001989,0.041853,0.012922,0.020363,-0.009755,-0.018717,0.004699,-0.007518,-0.001928,-0.008023
TUR_Barcin_N:I0726,0.120652,0.180764,0.00264,-0.104653,0.053548,-0.054663,-0.005875,-0.002308,0.035383,0.088749,0.009743,0.015586,-0.027651,0.006881,-0.040716,-0.037655,-0.001825,0.002914,0.0225,-0.015382,-0.013351,0.007666,-0.004683,0.00253,0.006945
TUR_Barcin_N:I0727,0.114961,0.185842,0.004525,-0.103683,0.036314,-0.053547,-0.00141,-0.008077,0.031088,0.077633,0.005846,0.01109,-0.031813,0.00055,-0.056052,-0.010607,0.022817,0.009122,0.032807,-0.015007,-0.017968,0.005441,-0.016022,-0.007953,0.008023
TUR_Barcin_N:I0736,0.119514,0.183811,0.006788,-0.091732,0.049855,-0.049921,-0.0047,-0.006,0.04295,0.077815,0.012829,0.013338,-0.020961,-0.011423,-0.04058,0.005701,0.033248,-0.007475,0.007793,-0.007003,-0.016097,0.006306,-0.005916,-0.000964,-0.007544
TUR_Barcin_N:I0744,0.119514,0.186857,0.009428,-0.107883,0.058472,-0.052989,-0.00987,-0.01223,0.03027,0.082371,0.010393,0.01139,-0.031813,0.003441,-0.048045,-0.011668,0.022426,0.000633,0.005279,-0.007253,-0.012852,-0.000124,-0.004683,0.002289,0.001796
TUR_Barcin_N:I0745,0.118376,0.178733,-0.002263,-0.098838,0.049548,-0.046575,-0.010105,-0.002538,0.036814,0.075628,0.010068,0.014237,-0.017542,0.00812,-0.035966,-0.020949,0.005346,0.006334,0.020489,-0.014382,-0.017095,0.008037,0.001356,-0.009278,-0.004191
TUR_Barcin_N:I0746,0.120652,0.180764,0.011691,-0.093024,0.048317,-0.043507,-0.012691,-0.010615,0.034565,0.078726,0.010393,0.009591,-0.023786,0.006606,-0.048316,-0.027844,0.005607,0.004054,0.012947,-0.017383,-0.013102,0.011005,-0.006532,-0.005543,-0.002036
TUR_Barcin_N:I1096,0.120652,0.184826,0.008297,-0.101745,0.051702,-0.044344,-0.005405,-0.003692,0.039473,0.0831,0.010718,0.017385,-0.02438,0.006331,-0.043702,-0.0179,0.025946,-0.00076,0.012821,-0.005878,-0.015722,0.00507,-0.005793,0.007832,-0.016406
TUR_Barcin_N:I1097,0.120652,0.18178,-0.001886,-0.106591,0.054472,-0.048527,-0.00611,-0.007615,0.038246,0.084922,0.008769,0.014687,-0.022894,0.000413,-0.048859,-0.006629,0.021383,0.003421,0.013952,-0.015257,-0.013975,0.005441,-0.011462,-0.009158,-0.002515
TUR_Barcin_N:I1098,0.114961,0.179749,-0.004148,-0.092701,0.040931,-0.045459,-0.001175,-0.010846,0.030883,0.068703,0.009743,0.007044,-0.019623,0.000688,-0.044381,-0.001326,0.032987,0.003294,0.006788,-0.001501,-0.01148,0.007914,0.007025,-0.002771,-0.00958
TUR_Barcin_N:I1099,0.111547,0.19092,0.001508,-0.0969,0.055395,-0.04518,0.003525,-0.010615,0.037223,0.077997,0.006171,0.01124,-0.020515,0.00289,-0.039902,-0.016309,0.021644,0.00266,0.013324,-0.007504,-0.003868,0.002844,0.002588,-0.003012,-0.006347
TUR_Barcin_N:I1100,0.112685,0.17264,-0.001131,-0.084949,0.049855,-0.054384,-0.00705,-0.002308,0.042132,0.088749,-0.003573,0.008692,-0.02557,-0.006881,-0.040173,-0.00769,0.031553,-0.00266,0.007793,-0.01063,-0.023708,-0.00136,0.003574,-0.003253,-0.001557
TUR_Barcin_N:I1101,0.114961,0.179749,0.006411,-0.100776,0.054779,-0.043786,-0.00094,-0.000462,0.042541,0.078544,0.005684,0.008692,-0.023042,0.007432,-0.034744,-0.010209,0.01682,0.003927,0.018729,-0.006378,-0.020713,0.004575,-0.000616,-0.003133,-0.010179
TUR_Barcin_N:I1102,0.106994,0.170609,0.00528,-0.097546,0.059703,-0.045459,-0.003995,-0.007846,0.030474,0.08474,0.005196,0.010041,-0.029732,-0.006193,-0.031759,0.001856,0.029597,0.002154,0.013073,-0.008754,-0.009109,0.010634,-0.003821,-0.003856,-0.002634
TUR_Barcin_N:I1103,0.112685,0.169593,-0.006411,-0.10013,0.044008,-0.046854,-0.00705,-0.005538,0.039269,0.075992,0.011367,0.013638,-0.02215,-0.005505,-0.036644,-0.01127,0.019427,-0.002027,0.010559,-0.008004,-0.016346,0.005564,-0.011216,-0.009278,-0.006945
TUR_Barcin_N:I1580,0.127482,0.182795,-0.003017,-0.103037,0.052317,-0.04769,-0.008695,-0.012692,0.040496,0.076904,0.007307,0.014987,-0.020961,-0.003716,-0.043159,0.001724,0.035986,-0.001647,0.006788,-0.009254,-0.010357,-0.001731,0.000246,-0.000482,-0.010298
TUR_Barcin_N:I1581,0.113823,0.175687,0.001131,-0.110467,0.057241,-0.045459,-0.003995,-0.008077,0.040905,0.084558,0.004222,0.013488,-0.02215,-0.000826,-0.04248,0.003978,0.040549,0.004687,0.005405,-0.005628,-0.010731,0.00643,-0.013557,0.003494,-0.000958
TUR_Barcin_N:I1583,0.119514,0.180764,0.00264,-0.10756,0.048932,-0.051037,-0.010575,-0.008769,0.035792,0.087656,0.012342,0.012139,-0.023786,0.005092,-0.036644,-0.006497,0.020861,0.002534,0.011816,-0.003877,-0.011729,0.004822,0.001232,-0.006748,-0.00491
WHG:I1875,0.130897,0.120848,0.191577,0.194447,0.159107,0.048248,0.015746,0.040152,0.087332,0.007472,-0.016076,-0.015436,0.017839,-0.003303,0.047909,0.047069,0.007302,0.018497,-0.003268,0.057027,0.087471,0.00915,-0.048436,-0.143153,0.01449
WHG:Rochedane,0.118376,0.111708,0.178001,0.184111,0.150182,0.044623,0.010575,0.034383,0.090809,0.028064,-0.014615,-0.016186,0.013974,-0.002752,0.058767,0.069344,0.002738,0.014189,-0.015335,0.054151,0.101446,0.013231,-0.050778,-0.178579,0.019519
Yamnaya_RUS_Samara:I0231,0.121791,0.083273,0.04714,0.114666,-0.032314,0.048527,0.002585,-0.003,-0.052358,-0.073623,0.00065,0.004796,0.000297,-0.023258,0.030401,0.019491,0.007041,-0.00114,-0.002388,0.015007,-0.004243,-0.002102,0.003697,0.011086,0.00012
Yamnaya_RUS_Samara:I0357,0.126344,0.092413,0.038089,0.107883,-0.029852,0.039324,0.00564,-0.008077,-0.043768,-0.065605,-0.001137,-0.00015,-0.003568,-0.024772,0.035287,0.01896,0.00013,0.003167,-0.005279,0.004877,0.003619,0.006925,0.008504,0.012532,-0.005269
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MAR_Taforalt:TAF011,-0.194638,0.085304,-0.021873,-0.088825,0.026774,-0.059961,-0.072148,0.019845,0.161165,0.002551,0.016564,-0.035818,0.080574,-0.051196,0.066367,-0.037523,0.012126,-0.071199,-0.14493,0.035767,-0.041427,-0.12662,0.068279,-0.011447,0.018441
MAR_Taforalt:TAF013,-0.196914,0.082258,-0.026398,-0.088502,0.032314,-0.057173,-0.074733,0.017768,0.156665,0.002369,0.02111,-0.036717,0.077898,-0.052159,0.072746,-0.038584,0.000913,-0.069552,-0.141285,0.039894,-0.035687,-0.125384,0.075428,-0.011206,0.020477
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CMR_Shum_Laka:I10873_new_all,-0.610092,0.04773,0.016593,0.024871,-0.000615,0.004183,0.146412,-0.109611,0.005727,0.006378,0.002598,-0.043012,-0.024232,0.003991,0.002307,-0.002652,0.001695,0.022677,-0.004651,0.002251,-0.001622,-0.003462,-0.001972,-0.000723,-0.005987

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Pax Augusta said:
I had to redo it because I had deleted it. Check if it is exactly the same. Consider that the model is wrong as explained before and includes all samples labelled as Greek, which also includes Slavic language minorities and Greek communities in Turkey. Yamnaya on average is 16.9%.


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I tried your model as well.




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Distance: 2.2815% / 0.02281497
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[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]TUR_Barcin_N[/TD]

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matadworf said:
I tried your model as well.




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Distance: 2.2815% / 0.02281497
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This seems in line with the study from Raveane I linked above
 
Duarte said:
I took the liberty of using the same samples used by Pax in the posts #s 128 and 135 (G25 scaled coordinates posted next) to calculate the three basic components in my own sample, obviously adding in source data the Taforalt and the Shun Laka to accommodate and adjust my own distances.

Code: 
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Out of curiosity, using my K36 coordinates simulated to G25. The result shows the same components in practically the same order of magnitude, just with a smaller distance.

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Was just listening to Razib Khan's substack podcast and he mentioned that he has a new paper coming out on Greeks. He didn't get specific though. Thought it was worth mentioning.
 
matadworf said:
Was just listening to Razib Khan's substack podcast and he mentioned that he has a new paper coming out on Greeks. He didn't get specific though. Thought it was worth mentioning.
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Matadworf: Interesting. Is this a paper he plans to submit to a journal? or a something he is putting together for his Blog or on the Insight which seems to be inactive in terms of content (last podcast was 15 September 2020).
 
Palermo Trapani said:
Matadworf: Interesting. Is this a paper he plans to submit to a journal? or a something he is putting together for his Blog or on the Insight which seems to be inactive in terms of content (last podcast was 15 September 2020).
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I believe it’ll be posted on his substack unsupervised learning site. I have a subscription and I’ll ask him in the comments section. He typically responds to comments. He just did a really interesting podcast on ancient ancestral populations.
https://razib.substack.com/
 
Target: Veritus_scaled
Distance: 0.0232% / 0.02315485
54.2 TUR_Barcin_N
37.5 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
7.0 WHG
1.2 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_Historic
0.1 CMR_Shum_Laka


and my father below
Target: PonsanG25
Distance: 0.0179% / 0.01785885
54.4 TUR_Barcin_N
39.7 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
5.9 WHG
 
He finally got around to saying something about it?

It would have been nice if he had written something like that back when I was alone here arguing with all of the followers of that 19th century Nordicist Fallermayer. The thread on the Peloponnese paper was a disaster because of them, as was the thread on the Mycenaean paper.

It's even going on here to some extent. These people never stop their t-rolling.
 
Angela said:
He finally got around to saying something about it?

It would have been nice if he had written something like that back when I was alone here arguing with all of the followers of that 19th century Nordicist Fallermayer. The thread on the Peloponnese paper was a disaster because of them, as was the thread on the Mycenaean paper.

It's even going on here to some extent. These people never stop their t-rolling.
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I know I wondered why it took him so long to write this piece and why now? Do you think it has anything to do with the upcoming Reich paper?
 
matadworf said:
I know I wondered why it took him so long to write this piece and why now? Do you think it has anything to do with the upcoming Reich paper?
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Some reports, some of which have been mentioned here, indicate that there are some additional Mycenean samples that show similar results presented by Lazaridis et al 2016 where the 4 Myceneans analyzed in that paper harbored 4 to 16% Steppe admixture, and that the elite Mycenean was not significantly different from the non-elite. Those results were not well received by certain segments of the amateur genetics/archeology community on other blogs and sites, and by few eupedia members who are allies/supporters of the theories of those said other blogs and sites.

That is my take, Angela who has been here way longer than I have can obviously provide a more detailed answer that goes further back than my time here.
 
Palermo Trapani said:
Some reports, some of which have been mentioned here, indicate that there are some additional Mycenean samples that show similar results presented by Lazaridis et al 2016 where the 4 Myceneans analyzed in that paper harbored 4 to 16% Steppe admixture, and that the elite Mycenean was not significantly different from the non-elite. Those results were not well received by certain segments of the amateur genetics/archeology community on other blogs and sites, and by few eupedia members who are allies/supporters of the theories of those said other blogs and sites.

That is my take, Angela who has been here way longer than I have can obviously provide a more detailed answer that goes further back than my time here.
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That's an excellent summary of the findings of the Lazaridis paper, but what most incensed some members of the amateur community, vociferous on eurogenes and anthrogenica and even here was his conclusion that modern Greeks, while they show additional steppe ancestry most probably introduced by the Slavic migrations, can be modeled as mainly the descendants of the Greeks of the Bronze and Iron Age. They were not, therefore, merely some amalgamation of Albanians, Slavs and Arabs, of all people.

I don't recall hearing anything from Khan about that, or, indeed, about the possibility of a homeland for the first form of Indo-European south of the Caucasus, which has been hinted at by Haak and Kristiansen as well as more than hinted at by Reich.

Who knows how many people have gotten an advance copy and while not revealing the contents, either suddenly have a "come to Jesus" conversion and decide to write on the topics from a new point of view, or have time to try to find things to attack before the paper is even out. It happens all the time, not just in academia, or related fields, but in politics as well.

People are so predictable.
 
Angela said:
That's an excellent summary of the findings of the Lazaridis paper, but what most incensed some members of the amateur community, vociferous on eurogenes and anthrogenica and even here was his conclusion that modern Greeks, while they show additional steppe ancestry most probably introduced by the Slavic migrations, can be modeled as mainly the descendants of the Greeks of the Bronze and Iron Age. They were not, therefore, merely some amalgamation of Albanians, Slavs and Arabs, of all people.

I don't recall hearing anything from Khan about that, or, indeed, about the possibility of a homeland for the first form of Indo-European south of the Caucasus, which has been hinted at by Haak and Kristiansen as well as more than hinted at by Reich.

Who knows how many people have gotten an advance copy and while not revealing the contents, either suddenly have a "come to Jesus" conversion and decide to write on the topics from a new point of view, or have time to try to find things to attack before the paper is even out. It happens all the time, not just in academia, or related fields, but in politics as well.

People are so predictable.
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In jest Khan mentioned (on a recent podcast) that he didn’t receive an advanced copy of the Southern Arc paper from Reich or Patterson because they “didn’t trust” him. I found that interesting.
 
matadworf said:
In jest Khan mentioned (on a recent podcast) that he didn’t receive an advanced copy of the Southern Arc paper from Reich or Patterson because they “didn’t trust” him. I found that interesting.
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Without accusing Khan of anything, if I had gotten a preview but didn't want to get anyone in trouble, and lying didn't violence my personal code of ethics, that's what I would say too. :)

On the other hand, I have suspected in the past that perhaps Khan was one of the conduits for "leaks" to Eurogenes, giving him time to prepare his counterarguments, and perhaps the Reich Lab has similar suspicions.

Who knows?

People who think that this community isn't a hot bed of its own brand of noxious politics are kidding themselves.
 
Angela said:
All you have proved to me is that I guessed right, and you're one of the Albanians, or part Albanians, who want to deny any continuity in Greece to any meaningful degree. You are operating, imo, not from an objective analysis of "all" the data, but from your pre-conceived conclusions.

If I've got it wrong I apologize, but it seems to me as if you're just someone else trying to prove there are no Greeks, just some combination of Albanians, Slavs, Italians, Saracens, and what was it, Cretan pirates. Anyone else you'd like to throw into the mix?

To prove such a claim you'd have to provide verifiable, precise numbers of people, uniparental data etc., or ancient dna for each time period showing the change in the dna over time. You can't do it, although perhaps at some point in the future we'll have that kind of data.

What can be done, and has been done in academic papers, is to show that one can take the Greeks of their Golden Eras, add Slavic admixture, and you get modern Greeks. Those populations most isolated from that Slavic admixture are the closest to the ancient Greeks.

It makes perfect sense. If we've learned anything at all from the population genetics papers of the last few years it should be that the autosomal "signature" of a people is shaped by folk migrations, NOT a few Saracens, or pirates or Italians or soldiers here and there. The SLAVS were a folk migration; that's why they were able to change the genetics. No one denies it. The operative word, however, is CHANGE, not REPLACE, much as it may pain you to accept it.
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To make the story short, can you accept this. Albanians has not written this.

According to the Chronicle of Monemvasia, in 805 the Byzantine governor of Corinth went to war with the Slavs, exterminated them, and allowed the original inhabitants to claim their lands. They regained control of the city of Patras and the region was re-settled with Greeks.Many Slavs were transported to Asia Minor, and many Asian, Sicilian and Calabrian Greeks were resettled in the Peloponnese. By the turn of the 9th century, the entire Peloponnese was formed into the new thema of Peloponnesos, with its capital at Corinth.

How Trandafilos has counted for these events in his research. Does this counts as well as population transfers? Or this is not included?
From what you write it seems that you have no clue of the history o Morea that a PCA has no way to capture it.

Do you know that there is an Arvanite song about Morea. These Arvanites now live in Italy after. ottomans conquered Morea.
Probably you don’t even know where Morea is?


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