Where does the Albanian language come from? [VIDEO]

Well, these are old and Albanian at least mostly in the plains of Dukagjin etc
(which is also an Albanian name which was by the Serbs later changed
to Metohija in order to Serbianize the region)


https://mapcarta.com/Lumbardhi_i_Pejës_R6163186 - Lumbardhi i Pejes (white river of Peja)


https://mapcarta.com/N4000356432 - Ujmir (which is the oldest name
used even today unlike the Slavic Dobra Voda)

Ujmir - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org

https://mapcarta.com/13928308 - Gjonaj

Gjonaj, Prizren - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org

https://mapcarta.com/N1839757328 - Romaje (at least was inhabited by Albos)

https://mapcarta.com/Lumbardhi_i_Deçanit_R6163017 - Lumbardhi i Decanit


Mazrek - https://mapcarta.com/13921850
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mazrek,_Prizren

https://mapcarta.com/13928644 - Gjinoc (From the name Gjin)

Gjinoc - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org

https://mapcarta.com/13916970 - Shpenadi

Shpenadi - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org


https://mapcarta.com/13913318 - Zojz
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zojz,_Prizren

https://mapcarta.com/13932128 - Voksh

Voksh - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org


https://mapcarta.com/13913238 - Zhur (meaning sound )

Zhur - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org


https://mapcarta.com/13915234 - Ujz


https://mapcarta.com/13913408 - Zym


https://mapcarta.com/14010548 - Sarosh


https://mapcarta.com/14006016 - Bardhaniq


https://mapcarta.com/N4704377503 - Bardhasan


Bisthazhin - https://mapcarta.com/13930866


Uqe - https://mapcarta.com/N371567611



https://mapcarta.com/13916962 - Skenderaj (this one is the oldest name too changed to Srbica
by the Serbs later)

https://mapcarta.com/13913286 - Xerxe

https://mapcarta.com/N1839757257 - Kojushe


https://mapcarta.com/N5007243076 - Firza


https://mapcarta.com/N3419840036 - Guri i Kuq



https://mapcarta.com/s/prekaz - Prekaz


https://mapcarta.com/N3607196900 - Lekiq


https://mapcarta.com/N1839757298 - Milaj


https://mapcarta.com/N3990336854 - Lumbardh (village)


https://mapcarta.com/N1905639937 - Morine


There are of course many others and good chunk of villages with Slavic names
inhabited by Albos.
 
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''The oldest name for the region is Dukagjin or Dukagjini plain (Alb: 'Rrafshi i Dukagjinit') and the region was called Sanjak of Dukagjin in the 15th-16th century. According to the historian Jahja Drançolli, the name 'Metohija' does not appear as a geographic term in the medieval period.[2] ''

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metohija



Changed to 'Metohija' by the Serbs after Balkan Wars of 1912 in order to Serbianize the region
 
Archetype0ne said:
He kept referring to E-V13 as Illyrian though? Thought it might have been a lapses the first time, but he repeated it further.
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yes he continously refers to it as illyrian but its clear what this means really
 
Johane Derite said:
New interview from Rrënjët admin where he mentions multiple times Albanians coming from Dardania/Moesia:

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Çfarë thotë ADN-ja për shqiptarët? | PRESSING | T7

Çfarë thotë ADN-ja për shqiptarët? | PRESSING | T7
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He mentioned specifically that Kelmendi and Berisha are Dardanian lineages.

Do you think he has preliminary results from Dardania or it's just his guess?

Even if Dardanians show E-V13 it has been known for a time that Balkan-Carpathian sphere was strong, so wouldn't be a surprise at all if E-V13 would be present.
 
Hawk said:
He mentioned specifically that Kelmendi and Berisha are Dardanian lineages.

Do you think he has preliminary results from Dardania or it's just his guess?

Even if Dardanians show E-V13 it has been known for a time that Balkan-Carpathian sphere was strong, so wouldn't be a surprise at all if E-V13 would be present.
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He just calls any ev13 dardanian, its just a damage control way to call it all illyrian. I doubt he knows of dardanian ev13 samples
 
Johane Derite said:
He just calls any ev13 dardanian, its just a damage control way to call it all illyrian. I doubt he knows of dardanian ev13 samples
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You can't blame him, even for saying that he was being accused from some places in fb of being an undercover Serbian agent. 🤣

What's your personal take, would E-V13 be present among Dardanians. To me there is many hints like cultural sphere, name Dardani, even personal king name Monunious being present among Thracians and missrepresented as Illyrian.

IDK.
 
Listening to gjergj is always a torture, he uses technical terms and does not know how to translate them in Albanian. Even after doing like 7 interviews he has not read the comment sections, that the common viewer has a hard time understanding the techno jargon. Most people have not followed the discovery of haplogroup data for 20+ plus years, they're simply not familiar with it. You have to simplify the message, maps and images help.

Let's keep in mind that Shtip and Nish are not Kosova, so by default E-V13 and R-Z2703 came from a zone just east of it. Whether it traveled to Albania from Kosove is a different matter. That makes the Illyrian status of this cluster dubious.
 
I have never heard Gjergj in these interviews name other Paleo-Balkan pops except for Illyrians. Mendoj që e përdor fjalën "Ilirë" në radhë të parë si sinonim për popujt paleo-ballkanikë.
 
mount123 said:
I have never heard Gjergj in these interviews name other Paleo-Balkan pops except for Illyrians. Mendoj që e përdor fjalën "Ilirë" në radhë të parë si sinonim për popujt paleo-ballkanikë.
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The interview was very good.
Overall it gave a very thorough overview of the main fise of Kosova and it can help to push more individuals to do the test.

Moreover, it gave some insights on the dark ages period, where few remaining families constituted what are now the main lines of the Albanian population. It's such a pity that the Illyrian population of Croatia/Slovenia/Bosnia was basically swiped out completely.

Its very possible that the remaining proto-Albanian population was able to survive in a triangle residing from Diber-Nish-Stip, where probably two close languages like south Illyrian variant and south Daco-Moesian variant merged into a single Albanian language.

I'm surprised that there is no linguistic theory in this direction, as the probability of these events is much higher lately
 

E-L142.1 group (also commonly referred to as E-V13) - Hypothesis about the distribution

I allow myself to start a new thread as I did not find one that was discussing the following. Living DNA cites https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_E1b1b_Y-DNA.shtml#V13_origins. On this page it is said, if I understand well, that, due to the specific distribution of this group in R1a and...
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What Zotëri Arbëria should have said in his X post is: Albanians are the only modern population in the Balkans with the highest ratio of Paleo-Balkan uniparental DNA and auDNA. They are therefore a continuity of their Bronze and Iron Age ancestors. The word Paleo-Balkan can be replaced with the word Dacian-Thracian-Moesian, Illyrian aswell as Dardanian-Paeonian.

Why would it be so scandalous or problematic writing that and to educate people this way on the matter rather than pushing every possible Paleo-Balkan aDNA sample without factual evidence into the Illyrian sphere? What's so bad about being the merging result of the main Paleo-Balkan spheres? I will never have any empathy or understanding for this pseudo-dilemma.

Interesting, on another occasion Zotëria rightfully critiques the paper's auDNA model for Albanians and here goes full frontal in 100% alignment with the non sensical proposal that those E1b-V13 samples are a bunch of heavily Agean BA admixed Illyrians.

If I wouldn't have had any archaeogenetic foreknowledge, and that x post would have been the first introduction to the topic for me, I would have thought Illyrians were a powerhouse of E1b-V13 and R1b-Z2103. What's J2b-L283? That invidivual even lists it as third important lol
 
epirus1000 said:
One of the Albanian writers of the 19th century had supposed that it is probably related to giants/gigante, as they are mentioned in Homer writings "Behind the Ceraunian Mountains, the giants live there".
Additionally, there are several medieval Albanian surnames, some related to catholic names, and some very original Albanian like
Gjin (Gin), Gjon (John), Gjike, Gjoke, Gjeke, with this very used g/dj letter in the names/surnames.
You can find Djinic, Ginopoulous, Djinevski, Djindjic, Gjinollari and many other variants from the Gjin (Gin) alone in the region, not mentioning the other Djokovic and many many others.
Still, in some well-preserved Albanian areas like in Puke/Miredite region, there are still many old names/surnames used since pre-medieval or medieval areas of same consonant with a single vowel in between, like Dod, Ded, Bib, Geg, Pep, Pop, or with a slight addition of the R letter like in Gjergj and Zorz.
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Great reply very interesting. The reason I asked is I just popped over to teanglann and got a hit almost immediately.

https://www.teanglann.ie/en/fgb/géag

This is just simple clan, tribe etymology for for tribal confederation but one that has not been used as any sort of ethnic designation elsewhere except Albania.

Not sure why you guys don't explore some of obvious etymology links. Instead of looking at poorly attested extinct languages you should look at who I'm likelihood was floating around.
 
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mount123 said:

E-L142.1 group (also commonly referred to as E-V13) - Hypothesis about the distribution

I allow myself to start a new thread as I did not find one that was discussing the following. Living DNA cites https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_E1b1b_Y-DNA.shtml#V13_origins. On this page it is said, if I understand well, that, due to the specific distribution of this group in R1a and...
www.eupedia.com

What Zotëri Arbëria should have said in his X post is: Albanians are the only modern population in the Balkans with the highest ratio of Paleo-Balkan uniparental DNA and auDNA. They are therefore a continuity of their Bronze and Iron Age ancestors. The word Paleo-Balkan can be replaced with the word Dacian-Thracian-Moesian, Illyrian aswell as Dardanian-Paeonian.

Why would it be so scandalous or problematic writing that and to educate people this way on the matter rather than pushing every possible Paleo-Balkan aDNA sample without factual evidence into the Illyrian sphere? What's so bad about being the merging result of the main Paleo-Balkan spheres? I will never have any empathy or understanding for this pseudo-dilemma.

Interesting, on another occasion Zotëria rightfully critiques the paper's auDNA model for Albanians and here goes full frontal in 100% alignment with the non sensical proposal that those E1b-V13 samples are a bunch of heavily Agean BA admixed Illyrians.

If I wouldn't have had any archaeogenetic foreknowledge, and that x post would have been the first introduction to the topic for me, I would have thought Illyrians were a powerhouse of E1b-V13 and R1b-Z2103. What's J2b-L283? That invidivual even lists it as third important lol
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your only error is mentioning illyrian

Albanians come from ancient Dardanians whose evidence you see in the albanian language which has links with Romanian.............this is due to the bronze-age mix of Dardanian populace with Moesian and also with Dacian people.

Dacians and Moesians where 2 of the 4 thracian tribal groups that had a union with the Dardanians,,,,,,,, the 2 others , Getae and Odrysian thracian groups did not mix with the the Dardanians

Illyrians have zero do do with Albanian linguistics/Language unless borrowed AFTER the roman occupation of Illyricum, where the lands where latinized

there is also evidence the the Dardanians southern neighbour , the Paeonians also spoke what the Dardanian spoke........a Daco-Moesian language

I really do not understand this embarrassment by Albanians to be linked with their ancient fore-fathers the Dardanians
 
lynxbythetv said:
Great reply very interesting. The reason I asked is I just popped over to teanglann and got a hit almost immediately.

https://www.teanglann.ie/en/fgb/géag

This is just simple clan, tribe etymology for for tribal confederation but one that has not been used as any sort of ethnic designation elsewhere except Albania.

Not sure why you guys don't explore some of obvious etymology links. Instead of looking at poorly attested extinct languages you should look at who I'm likelihood was floating around.
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The amount of efforts to find the right etymologies that originate from Albanian is usually contrasted by a tenfold amount of efforts to undermine these actions. It's not easy to live between greeks and serbians.
 
torzio said:
your only error is mentioning illyrian

Albanians come from ancient Dardanians whose evidence you see in the albanian language which has links with Romanian.............this is due to the bronze-age mix of Dardanian populace with Moesian and also with Dacian people.

Dacians and Moesians where 2 of the 4 thracian tribal groups that had a union with the Dardanians,,,,,,,, the 2 others , Getae and Odrysian thracian groups did not mix with the the Dardanians

Illyrians have zero do do with Albanian linguistics/Language unless borrowed AFTER the roman occupation of Illyricum, where the lands where latinized

there is also evidence the the Dardanians southern neighbour , the Paeonians also spoke what the Dardanian spoke........a Daco-Moesian language

I really do not understand this embarrassment by Albanians to be linked with their ancient fore-fathers the Dardanians
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Both groups were part of the broader Illyrian cultural sphere, and the Dardanians were often considered a subgroup or closely related to the Illyrians.
Onomastic studies have revealed similarities between the Illyrian and Dardanian languages or dialects. While the exact nature of these linguistic connections remains a subject of debate, it suggests a degree of cultural and linguistic affinity between these groups.
The fact remains that genetically Albanians are related to both groups, albeit the modern numbers and the linguistic studies favor the Dardanian path of ethnogenesis.
 
mount123 said:
Interesting, on another occasion Zotëria rightfully critiques the paper's auDNA model for Albanians and here goes full frontal in 100% alignment with the non sensical proposal that those E1b-V13 samples are a bunch of heavily Agean BA admixed Illyrians.
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Having spend a the last two days operating the official academic admixture program, I have executed working models for the Alb samples, all of them except kenete(kukes 850 AD). I can tell you the software has a extreme hard time making a two way model using two closely plotting populations, it has to use a secondary component further away. But their models, the overall fit was on the very low end, just passing. People like to say pass is a pass, but I disagree. You can tell when se values are smooth and P-value is high.
I am 100% certain I have set up better parameters than the entire team from Danubian paper or the Greek-polak team paper and it's still not as smooth.
 
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epirus1000 said:
The amount of efforts to find the right etymologies that originate from Albanian is usually contrasted by a tenfold amount of efforts to undermine these actions. It's not easy to live between greeks and serbians.
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Yes and I can understand that but what is promoted as originally Albanian might be a bit closer to Goedelic than what's been hypothesized.
 
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