GEDMatch HarappaWorld Gedmatch, post and compare your admixtures to ancient and contemporary.

[Promenade]

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	Population	Percent
1	NE-Euro	47.43
2	Mediterranean	31.21
3	Baloch	10.88
4	Caucasian	8.06
5	SW-Asian	1.68

looks eerily similar to the results some other Americans received

 

[Aha]

My HarappaWorld results
Ukrainian, Kyiv

Admix Results (sorted):

#	Population	Percent
1	NE-Euro	56.66
2	Mediterranean	18.58
3	Caucasian	9.57
4	Baloch	8.59
5	S-Indian	2.38
6	SW-Asian	2.03
7	Siberian	1.81
8	E-African	0.37

Must say I am surprised and cannot explain some of these numbers

 

[LeBrok]

My HarappaWorld results
Ukrainian, Kyiv

Admix Results (sorted):

#	Population	Percent
1	NE-Euro	56.66
2	Mediterranean	18.58
3	Caucasian	9.57
4	Baloch	8.59
5	S-Indian	2.38
6	SW-Asian	2.03
7	Siberian	1.81
8	E-African	0.37

Must say I am surprised and cannot explain some of these numbers

Generally speaking you fit in Ukrainian landscape, however there are little nuances to mention. You have lower Caucasian and higher Baloch than average Ukrainian, together with higher S-Indian and Siberian might indicate more eastern influence of one of far ancestors...., after a second look, I think perhaps we are talking about 2 ancestors who were not typical Ukrainians. One from around Lithuania, the second from East Ukraine or even farther east. The "Lithuanian" ancestor can explain higher Baloch, lower Caucasian and higher Mediterranean. The one from East can explain lower NE Euro, higher S Indian and Siberian.

Your numbers of Baloch and lower Caucasian, and NE Euro are also typical for NW Europe, and might pull you this way on some calculators, but this is coincidental I think. From conglomeration of your ancestors. If your Med was 10 points higher your admixtures would say that you are Dutch.

PS. We need more samples from all over Ukraine. And of course more from everywhere!

 

[bix]

#	Population	Percent
1	NE-Euro	48.49
2	Mediterranean	30.71
3	Baloch	9.19
4	Caucasian	8.23
5	Beringian	1.71
6	S-Indian	0.73
7	Papuan	0.55
8	SE-Asian	0.21
9	Siberian	0.16
10	SW-Asian	0.02

 

[Dibran]

Couple more wouldn't hurt.

I got you! I have plenty through my gedmatch relatives. Il post their results shortly.

 

[LeBrok]

#	Population	Percent
1	NE-Euro	48.49
2	Mediterranean	30.71
3	Baloch	9.19
4	Caucasian	8.23
5	Beringian	1.71
6	S-Indian	0.73
7	Papuan	0.55
8	SE-Asian	0.21
9	Siberian	0.16
10	SW-Asian	0.02

You look pretty much NW European, though I don't have Swiss or South German genome to compare. Beringian is interesting, but no American admixture. That's something. Perhaps one of your ancestors 6-7 generations ago was Inuit?

 

[Dibran]

Couple more wouldn't hurt.

Here you go LeBrok. There is more(which I will post later). All these kits are Albanian.


Kit# - [FONT=&quot]M968981(Trojet)
[/FONT]
Admix Results (sorted):

#	Population	Percent
1	Caucasian	28.66
2	NE-Euro	27.72
3	Mediterranean	26.01
4	SW-Asian	10.12
5	Baloch	6.41

Kit# - [FONT=&quot]A486577

[/FONT]Admix Results (sorted):

#	Population	Percent
1	Caucasian	29.84
2	NE-Euro	27.60
3	Mediterranean	26.47
4	SW-Asian	8.79
5	Baloch	6.09

[FONT=&quot]Kit#- M145528

[/FONT]Admix Results (sorted):

#	Population	Percent
1	NE-Euro	29.58
2	Mediterranean	28.48
3	Caucasian	27.62
4	SW-Asian	6.79
5	Baloch	5.86
6	S-Indian	1.39

Kit#- [FONT=&quot]M124104[/FONT]

Admix Results (sorted):

#	Population	Percent
1	NE-Euro	28.04
2	Mediterranean	27.10
3	Caucasian	26.39
4	SW-Asian	9.59
5	Baloch	6.83
6	NE-Asian	1.31

Kit#- [FONT=&quot]A906072

[/FONT]Admix Results (sorted):

#	Population	Percent
1	NE-Euro	33.05
2	Mediterranean	25.72
3	Caucasian	25.15
4	SW-Asian	8.11
5	Baloch	6.71

Kit#- [FONT=&quot]M205340

[/FONT]Admix Results (sorted):

#	Population	Percent
1	NE-Euro	28.00
2	Caucasian	27.55
3	Mediterranean	26.32
4	SW-Asian	8.28
5	Baloch	8.25

Kit#- [FONT=&quot]M549149( Montenegrin Albanian)

[/FONT]Admix Results (sorted):

#	Population	Percent
1	NE-Euro	32.54
2	Mediterranean	24.41
3	Caucasian	24.34
4	SW-Asian	9.18
5	Baloch	8.05

Kit#- [FONT=&quot]T511884(Kelmendasi)

[/FONT]Admix Results (sorted):

#	Population	Percent
1	Caucasian	29.02
2	NE-Euro	28.94
3	Mediterranean	28.68
4	SW-Asian	7.95
5	Baloch	4.99

Kit#- [FONT=&quot]A566427

[/FONT]
Admix Results (sorted):

#	Population	Percent
1	NE-Euro	32.88
2	Mediterranean	28.44
3	Caucasian	26.37
4	SW-Asian	7.14
5	Baloch	4.68

Kit#- [FONT=&quot]A229969

[/FONT]
Admix Results (sorted):

#	Population	Percent
1	Mediterranean	30.39
2	NE-Euro	28.59
3	Caucasian	26.66
4	Baloch	7.05
5	SW-Asian	6.11

Kit#- [FONT=&quot]M507707

[/FONT]Admix Results (sorted):

#	Population	Percent
1	Caucasian	29.53
2	NE-Euro	27.90
3	Mediterranean	26.73
4	SW-Asian	8.65
5	Baloch	6.11

Kit#- [FONT=&quot]M499066

[/FONT]Admix Results (sorted):

#	Population	Percent
1	Mediterranean	29.17
2	NE-Euro	27.76
3	Caucasian	27.56
4	Baloch	7.31
5	SW-Asian	6.90
6	Siberian	1.10

Kit#- [FONT=&quot]M697668

[/FONT]Admix Results (sorted):

#	Population	Percent
1	Caucasian	31.85
2	NE-Euro	30.35
3	Mediterranean	23.99
4	Baloch	7.03
5	SW-Asian	5.96

Kit#- [FONT=&quot]A871425

[/FONT]Admix Results (sorted):

#	Population	Percent
1	Caucasian	29.34
2	NE-Euro	27.39
3	Mediterranean	26.18
4	SW-Asian	9.73
5	Baloch	6.54

Kit#- [FONT=&quot]A906637

[/FONT]Admix Results (sorted):

#	Population	Percent
1	Caucasian	30.69
2	Mediterranean	27.84
3	NE-Euro	25.17
4	SW-Asian	8.85
5	Baloch	6.32

Kit#- [FONT=&quot]A889964

[/FONT]Admix Results (sorted):

#	Population	Percent
1	NE-Euro	29.31
2	Mediterranean	28.34
3	Caucasian	27.30
4	Baloch	7.10
5	SW-Asian	6.80

 

[bix]

You look pretty much NW European, though I don't have Swiss or South German genome to compare. Beringian is interesting, but no American admixture. That's something. Perhaps one of your ancestors 6-7 generations ago was Inuit?

The odd thing is that wherever there's "Beringian" in a calculator I tend to be elevated--especially PuntDNAL, it's like 2.7. If there's no Beringian, then other things like South Asian and Siberian are higher. It's mildly perplexing.

Most of my family tree is is pretty nailed down and nobody got remotely near the arctic--the only wildcard is one great great granddad, my mom's dad's grandfather was allegedly born in southern Russia, probably associated with Melochna River Mennonites. I'm guessing some kind of Tatar, or some wayward group not well sampled. MDLP 4 ancestor oracle throws Cossack in the mix. Upon reflection that would probably be an apt description of my grandpa.

 

[LeBrok]

The odd thing is that wherever there's "Beringian" in a calculator I tend to be elevated--especially PuntDNAL, it's like 2.7. If there's no Beringian, then other things like South Asian and Siberian are higher. It's mildly perplexing.

Most of my family tree is is pretty nailed down and nobody got remotely near the arctic--the only wildcard is one great great granddad, my mom's dad's grandfather was allegedly born in southern Russia, probably associated with Melochna River Mennonites. I'm guessing some kind of Tatar, or some wayward group not well sampled. MDLP 4 ancestor oracle throws Cossack in the mix. Upon reflection that would probably be an apt description of my grandpa.

Remember that if we go 6 generations back we had 64 ancestors. Is it possible to find all 64 of them from 150 years ago?
You have only Beringian, without other admixtures which are popular in North/East Asia. Like NE Asian, Siberian or American. This means that the source of Beringian needed to be very clean and high, like Chukchi or Inuit.
Having said that, with such small amount of admixture some other genetic forces can play tricks on us. So take it with a grain of salt.

 

[LeBrok]

Here you go LeBrok. There is more(which I will post later). All these kits are Albanian.

Thanks, a nice collection. Should we split them into Gheg and Tosk, and then make an average Albanian? There is quite wide range, for example NE Euro can be 25 to 32 and similar with Med and Caucasian. Surprisingly a strong diversity in small population.
When I look at your personal numbers, gheg, they are the closest to Neolithic farmer admixtures from all Balkan ethnic groups. Well, from all I have. Gheg genetics did change with IE and other invasions, but the least of all.

 

[Dibran]

Thanks, a nice collection. Should we split them into Gheg and Tosk, and then make an average Albanian? There is quite wide range, for example NE Euro can be 25 to 32 and similar with Med and Caucasian. Surprisingly a strong diversity in small population.
When I look at your personal numbers, gheg, they are the closest to Neolithic farmer admixtures from all Balkan ethnic groups. Well, from all I have. Gheg genetics did change with IE and other invasions, but the least of all.

That would make sense. How would you do that exactly? I am uncertain about whether most of these are Gheg or Tosk. I know Trojet, and Kelmendasi are Ghegs. Unless you would be able to tell Gheg from Tosk based on their results?

Surprisingly for a Gheg my father plots south about. even in K36 oracle he gets predominantly southern Albanian with Greek Macedonian percentages and finally northern Albanians.

I show as northern Albanian, southern Albanian and Greek Peloponnesus. Not sure how reliable these are but it would explain my father being an R1a Gheg. Perhaps displaced Greek R1a Thessaly or Greek Macedonia being assimilated into the northern Ghegs at some point in time?

Or is it possible that it was just via marriage(possibly through my grandmother). Being that autosomes recombine generationally.

Could this minimal change be due to the mountain ranges in the north and the relative isolation it provided?

 

[bix]

Remember that if we go 6 generations back we had 64 ancestors. Is it possible to find all 64 of them from 150 years ago?
You have only Beringian, without other admixtures which are popular in North/East Asia. Like NE Asian, Siberian or American. This means that the source of Beringian needed to be very clean and high, like Chukchi or Inuit.
Having said that, with such small amount of admixture some other genetic forces can play tricks on us. So take it with a grain of salt.

It's good to have a little bit of ambiguity in one's past.

There's also this:

puntDNAL K10 Ancient Oracle results:
puntDNAL K10 Ancient Oracle

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 WHG 46.68
2 ENF 26.04
3 CHG 21.36
4 Beringian 3.7
5 ASI 1.23
6 Amerindian 0.68
7 Sub-Saharan 0.17
8 Oceanian 0.16

A little bit of a stronger signal. Still, no clue where this could be coming from. Probably no way to find out either.

 

[LeBrok]

It's good to have a little bit of ambiguity in one's past.

There's also this:

puntDNAL K10 Ancient Oracle results:
puntDNAL K10 Ancient Oracle

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 WHG 46.68
2 ENF 26.04
3 CHG 21.36
4 Beringian 3.7
5 ASI 1.23
6 Amerindian 0.68
7 Sub-Saharan 0.17
8 Oceanian 0.16

A little bit of a stronger signal. Still, no clue where this could be coming from. Probably no way to find out either.

Right on, more pronounced. Looking at proportions of Beringian to Amerindian it must have been someone from Chukchi/Inuit/Eskimo like group. About 5-6 generations ago. Knowing racism of people way back, it must have been a big secret and shame for the whole family. No wonder it is so hard to find out now.

 

[LeBrok]

That would make sense. How would you do that exactly? I am uncertain about whether most of these are Gheg or Tosk. I know Trojet, and Kelmendasi are Ghegs. Unless you would be able to tell Gheg from Tosk based on their results?

Surprisingly for a Gheg my father plots south about. even in K36 oracle he gets predominantly southern Albanian with Greek Macedonian percentages and finally northern Albanians.

I show as northern Albanian, southern Albanian and Greek Peloponnesus. Not sure how reliable these are but it would explain my father being an R1a Gheg. Perhaps displaced Greek R1a Thessaly or Greek Macedonia being assimilated into the northern Ghegs at some point in time?

Or is it possible that it was just via marriage(possibly through my grandmother). Being that autosomes recombine generationally.

Could this minimal change be due to the mountain ranges in the north and the relative isolation it provided?

They do look more Southern. I'll check the numbers more carefully tonight. Gheg has more Neolithic and Greek/Anatolian Bronze influences. Tosk, I believe, look more Northern/Steppe, but not as Northern as Macedonians, who has very obvious Slavic/Northern influence.

 

[Dibran]

They do look more Southern. I'll check the numbers more carefully tonight. Gheg has more Neolithic and Greek/Anatolian Bronze influences. Tosk, I believe, look more Northern/Steppe, but not as Northern as Macedonians, who has very obvious Slavic/Northern influence.

Interesting. I figured it was the reverse. Higher steppe with Ghegs, and more Neolithic with tosks. Assuming because Neolithic climbs southward into Greece?

But given the low plains of the south, your stance makes more sense.

 

[LeBrok]

Interesting. I figured it was the reverse. Higher steppe with Ghegs, and more Neolithic with tosks. Assuming because Neolithic climbs southward into Greece?

But given the low plains of the south, your stance makes more sense.

I think Greeks, let's say in Bronze Age, turned towards Armenian Bronze like, away from Neolithic. This shows in sharply rising Caucasian and falling Med. Ghegs look most Neolithic to me of all the Balkans. They should plot closest to Sardinians of all the Balkans. Well, unless the three Ghegs we have are not representative?

 

[bix]

Right on, more pronounced. Looking at proportions of Beringian to Amerindian it must have been someone from Chukchi/Inuit/Eskimo like group. About 5-6 generations ago. Knowing racism of people way back, it must have been a big secret and shame for the whole family. No wonder it is so hard to find out now.

There may have been an adoption, one of my gg grandfathers, but there's no record. He would be this lady's father.



We were always told she was French.

 

[Dibran]

I think Greeks, let's say in Bronze Age, turned towards Armenian Bronze like, away from Neolithic. This shows in sharply rising Caucasian and falling Med. Ghegs look most Neolithic to me of all the Balkans. They should plot closest to Sardinians of all the Balkans. Well, unless the three Ghegs we have are not representative?

Interesting. I known Trojet(if memory serves) is from Albanians of Western Macedonia. They still are classified as Gheg.

Kelmendasi is Gheg from tribe of Kelmend in northern Albania. Me and my father from Diber in northeast Albania.

On a PCA plot for the K15 me and my father did plot southward closer to Thessaly and Greek Macedonia, while kelmendasi among others plotted further north.

That makes sense. When I looked at some of my results, thought not that close, I did notice Sardinian were closer on some percentages.

 

[LeBrok]

There may have been an adoption, one of my gg grandfathers, but there's no record. He would be this lady's father.

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We were always told she was French.

Yep, this might be your Inuit connection!

 

[I1a3_Young]

	Gmom			Mom			Dad			Me			Bro
#	Population	Percent	#	Population	Percent	#	Population	Percent	#	Population	Percent	#	Population	Percent
1	NE-Euro	48.34	1	NE-Euro	48.94	1	NE-Euro	47.4	1	NE-Euro	48.27	1	NE-Euro	49.47
2	Mediterranean	30.62	2	Mediterranean	30.81	2	Mediterranean	31.63	2	Mediterranean	30.73	2	Mediterranean	30.54
3	Baloch	11.26	3	Baloch	9.53	3	Baloch	10.39	3	Baloch	10.01	3	Baloch	10.2
4	Caucasian	8.73	4	Caucasian	9.18	4	Caucasian	7.7	4	Caucasian	7.77	4	Caucasian	8
5	SW-Asian	0.94	5	SW-Asian	0.98	5	SW-Asian	2.24	5	SW-Asian	2.3	5	SW-Asian	0.95
6	W-African	0.07	6	American	0.26	6	S-Indian	0.43	6	Papuan	0.54	6	American	0.55
7	E-African	0.05	7	E-African	0.22	7	Papuan	0.11	7	American	0.24	7	Papuan	0.13
			8	Papuan	0.07	8	Pygmy	0.08	8	E-African	0.13	8	Beringian	0.08
						9	E-African	0.02				9	S-Indian	0.07
Single Population Sharing:											10	E-African	0.01
#	Population (source)	Distance	#	Population (source)	Distance	#	Population (source)	Distance	#	Population (source)	Distance	#	Population (source)	Distance
1	utahn-white (1000genomes)	4.26	1	utahn-white (1000genomes)	4.24	1	utahn-white (1000genomes)	4.08	1	utahn-white (1000genomes)	3.93	1	utahn-white (1000genomes)	3.3
2	n-european (xing)	5.01	2	n-european (xing)	4.34	2	n-european (xing)	5.37	2	n-european (xing)	4.47	2	n-european (xing)	3.52
3	utahn-white (hapmap)	5.22	3	utahn-white (hapmap)	4.99	3	utahn-white (hapmap)	5.52	3	utahn-white (hapmap)	4.88	3	utahn-white (hapmap)	3.92
4	british (1000genomes)	5.99	4	british (1000genomes)	6.19	4	british (1000genomes)	5.66	4	british (1000genomes)	5.72	4	british (1000genomes)	5.24
5	french (hgdp)	8.22	5	french (hgdp)	8.15	5	french (hgdp)	6.89	5	french (hgdp)	7.92	5	orcadian (hgdp)	7.37
6	orcadian (hgdp)	8.22	6	hungarian (behar)	8.34	6	orcadian (hgdp)	8.17	6	orcadian (hgdp)	7.99	6	french (hgdp)	8.86
7	hungarian (behar)	9.02	7	orcadian (hgdp)	8.52	7	hungarian (behar)	9.91	7	hungarian (behar)	9.12	7	hungarian (behar)	9
8	slovenian (xing)	10.44	8	slovenian (xing)	9.69	8	slovenian (xing)	11.38	8	slovenian (xing)	10.46	8	slovenian (xing)	10.19
9	ukranian (yunusbayev)	16.44	9	ukranian (yunusbayev)	15.85	9	ukranian (yunusbayev)	17.61	9	ukranian (yunusbayev)	16.46	9	ukranian (yunusbayev)	15.74
10	spaniard (behar)	20.46	10	belorussian (behar)	20.1	10	spaniard (behar)	19.03	10	spaniard (behar)	20.07	10	belorussian (behar)	19.77
11	belorussian (behar)	20.72	11	spaniard (behar)	20.44	11	spaniard (1000genomes)	20.02	11	belorussian (behar)	20.67	11	mordovian (yunusbayev)	21.08
12	romanian-a (behar)	20.87	12	romanian-a (behar)	20.64	12	romanian-a (behar)	21.09	12	spaniard (1000genomes)	21.05	12	spaniard (behar)	21.17
13	spaniard (1000genomes)	21.52	13	mordovian (yunusbayev)	21.47	13	belorussian (behar)	21.85	13	romanian-a (behar)	21.08	13	romanian-a (behar)	21.68
14	mordovian (yunusbayev)	21.76	14	spaniard (1000genomes)	21.5	14	italian (hgdp)	22.37	14	mordovian (yunusbayev)	21.83	14	russian (behar)	22.17
15	russian (behar)	23.02	15	russian (behar)	22.35	15	mordovian (yunusbayev)	22.94	15	russian (behar)	23.03	15	spaniard (1000genomes)	22.18
16	italian (hgdp)	23.12	16	bulgarian (yunusbayev)	22.91	16	bulgarian (yunusbayev)	23.45	16	italian (hgdp)	23.06	16	russian (hgdp)	23.33
17	bulgarian (yunusbayev)	23.2	17	italian (hgdp)	22.95	17	russian (behar)	24.2	17	bulgarian (yunusbayev)	23.43	17	bulgarian (yunusbayev)	23.98
18	russian (hgdp)	24.18	18	russian (hgdp)	23.83	18	russian (hgdp)	25.2	18	russian (hgdp)	24.08	18	italian (hgdp)	24.05
19	lithuanian (behar)	26.18	19	lithuanian (behar)	25.71	19	lithuanian (behar)	27.22	19	lithuanian (behar)	26.09	19	lithuanian (behar)	25.09
20	chuvash (behar)	28.45	20	chuvash (behar)	28.53	20	spain-basc (henn2012)	27.4	20	chuvash (behar)	28.45	20	chuvash (behar)	28.25

Americans predicted to be British by most calculators (next most common is German/Dutch). I'll have to check the first page to figure out what Utahn means.