Albanian substrate in Slavic Carpathia

[Fshatar]

@Scythian Hello, paternal cousin! AI of any sort is not really helpful in genetics and can more often than not be misleading.

I should warn you that his thread is pure pseudoscience and mostly got to do with E1b haplotardism, claiming it brought the Albanian language (a clearly Yamnaya>Illyric language). Private messages don't work for me and are buggy on this website so maybe you'd want to connect over on genarchivist.net? Are you Hungarian by chance?

 

[Scythian]

Looks like you used chatgpt, it's interesting nonetheless. Do you think albanian has a significant amount of Scythian/Cimmerian influence? I've been wondering the same thing for a while now.

@Scythian Hello, paternal cousin! AI of any sort is not really helpful in genetics and can more often than not be misleading.

I should warn you that his thread is pure pseudoscience and mostly got to do with E1b haplotardism, claiming it brought the Albanian language (a clearly Yamnaya>Illyric language). Private messages don't work for me and are buggy on this website so maybe you'd want to connect over on genarchivist.net? Are you Hungarian by chance?

Hey Fshatar,


I completely agree with your initial impression—much of that original thread does veer into pseudoscientific and narrow-minded territory. That kind of haplogroup nationalism or “E1b = language X” logic ignores the complexity and fusion that define our actual genetic histories. My approach is the opposite: I’m not trying to force modern identities onto ancient movements—I’m looking at the deep population flows that shaped Eurasia well before our current ethnic lines were drawn.

Take my own case. I was born in the Middle Volga, but genetically, I’m the product of ancient elite lineages that moved between the Urals, Pontic Steppe, the Danube Basin, and the Caucasus. These included Scythian, Sarmatian, Hun, Avar, and later Hungarian Conqueror elites—culminating in noble dynasties like the Aba and Báthory families. The evidence for this shows up clearly in ancient DNA segment matches.

My Y-DNA is J2b2a1a1a (CTS5368), and its strongest concentrations today are in Albania, Macedonia, Montenegro, and adjacent areas. It’s also found among Avar elites in the Carpathian Basin and appears to have moved into Caucasus Albania by 300–800 CE, likely as part of a noble or priestly class. This line—though “eastern” by geography—was thoroughly involved in the steppe–Danube–Volga gene flow.

On the maternal side, I carry mtDNA J1c, an old lineage that entered Europe with Neolithic LBK farmers (~5500 BCE) and later fused with Yamnaya/Steppe ancestry. This LBK–Steppe fusion reappears in my matches with BR2 (Bronze Age Hungary) and LBK Stuttgart, showing the kind of Central European ancestry that eventually spread into Swiss, German, and Irish lines, and into the Balkans.

In terms of deep matches, here’s what triangulates:

• PG2004 (Eneolithic Steppe, ~4200 BCE) — 22.06 cM
• I7848 (Yamnaya, Moldova, ~2800 BCE) — 28.62 cM
• ZIM001 (Middle Bronze Age Steppe, ~1700 BCE) — 23.5 cM
• BR2 (Bronze Age Hungary, ~1200 BCE)
• Tem003 (Sarmatian-Hun, Bashkortostan, 220 CE) — 20.84 cM
• PTL003 (Hun invader, Hungary, 450 CE) — 13.4 cM
• RKC014 (Avar elite, Hungary, 650 CE) — 35.6 cM
• SE-23 (Hungarian Conqueror elite, Sandorfalva, 950 CE) — 66.3 cM
• HUAS81 (Aba Dynasty, ~1000–1300 CE) — 10.6 cM
• PER08 (Báthory-era noblewoman, ~1600 CE) — strong matching segment

Interestingly, modern admixture tools often misclassify these elite steppe signatures as “Tatar” or “Volga-Ural.” But historically, it’s the same Sarmatian–Hun–Avar–Magyar complex. The Middle Volga has been home to these layers of elite fusion, and researchers have long connected it to the Huns, Magyars, and Kabars—all part of that Finno-Ugric / Slavic / Turkic interzone. Some even see continuity between the Magyars and Mishars (Mesherya) via the Khazars and Bulgars, which fits both linguistically and genetically.

Now, on the autosomal side, I see triangulated segment clusters from around 1600 CE onward showing up all over: Albania, Macedonia, Croatia, Bosnia, Hungary, Austria, Poland, Courland, the Baltics, Finland, Sweden, France, Spain, Portugal, and even in the Americas. These likely represent cousin lines from noble dispersals or elite assimilations that took place during the collapse of steppe dynasties and the rise of early modern states.

One of the most intriguing signals is my segment match to an Iranian Yazd outlier (RW4117674). This sample falls outside typical Iranian clusters and shows elevated steppe ancestry—possibly a descendant of Saka, Sarmatian, or even Kushan-related lines that moved through eastern Iran and Central Asia. This Yazd match mirrors my Eastern cousin branch, which traces a steppe fusion line through the Altai, Central Asia, and the Caucasus, possibly merging with the line that entered Caucasus Albania.

As for the Albanian connection—I don’t see it as recent or surface-level. It’s prehistoric, embedded in the ancient Illyrian and steppe Indo-European substrate that moved into the Balkans during and after the Yamnaya expansion (~3300–2500 BCE). The line that ended up in Albania is cousin to mine, not divergent. In fact, you could argue that the modern Balkans—Albania, Macedonia, Montenegro, Serbia—preserve more of this original steppe elite ancestry than much of the rest of Europe.

So while I share some of the thread’s targets (tracing ancient lineages), I reject the framework. It’s not about modern labels—it’s about steppe mobility, elite fusion, and linguistic-cultural continuity across Eurasia. I’d love to continue the conversation, especially over on genarchivist.net if that’s easier. What’s the best way to connect there?

 

[Scythian]

Looks like you used chatgpt, it's interesting nonetheless. Do you think albanian has a significant amount of Scythian/Cimmerian influence? I've been wondering the same thing for a while now.

@Scythian Hello, paternal cousin! AI of any sort is not really helpful in genetics and can more often than not be misleading.

I should warn you that his thread is pure pseudoscience and mostly got to do with E1b haplotardism, claiming it brought the Albanian language (a clearly Yamnaya>Illyric language). Private messages don't work for me and are buggy on this website so maybe you'd want to connect over on genarchivist.net? Are you Hungarian by chance?

Hey @Fshatar ,


I completely agree with your initial impression—much of that original thread does veer into pseudoscientific and narrow-minded territory. That kind of haplogroup nationalism or “E1b = language X” logic ignores the complexity and fusion that define our actual genetic histories. My approach is the opposite: I’m not trying to force modern identities onto ancient movements—I’m looking at the deep population flows that shaped Eurasia well before our current ethnic lines were drawn.

Take my own case. I was born in the Middle Volga, but genetically, I’m the product of ancient elite lineages that moved between the Urals, Pontic Steppe, the Danube Basin, and the Caucasus. These included Scythian, Sarmatian, Hun, Avar, and later Hungarian Conqueror elites—culminating in noble dynasties like the Aba and Báthory families. The evidence for this shows up clearly in ancient DNA segment matches.

My Y-DNA is J2b2a1a1a (CTS5368), and its strongest concentrations today are in Albania, Macedonia, Montenegro, and adjacent areas. It’s also found among Avar elites in the Carpathian Basin and appears to have moved into Caucasus Albania by 300–800 CE, likely as part of a noble or priestly class. This line—though “eastern” by geography—was thoroughly involved in the steppe–Danube–Volga gene flow.

On the maternal side, I carry mtDNA J1c, an old lineage that entered Europe with Neolithic LBK farmers (~5500 BCE) and later fused with Yamnaya/Steppe ancestry. This LBK–Steppe fusion reappears in my matches with BR2 (Bronze Age Hungary) and LBK Stuttgart, showing the kind of Central European ancestry that eventually spread into Swiss, German, and Irish lines, and into the Balkans.

In terms of deep matches, here’s what triangulates:

• PG2004 (Eneolithic Steppe, ~4200 BCE) — 22.06 cM
• I7848 (Yamnaya, Moldova, ~2800 BCE) — 28.62 cM
• ZIM001 (Middle Bronze Age Steppe, ~1700 BCE) — 23.5 cM
• BR2 (Bronze Age Hungary, ~1200 BCE)
• Tem003 (Sarmatian-Hun, Bashkortostan, 220 CE) — 20.84 cM
• PTL003 (Hun invader, Hungary, 450 CE) — 13.4 cM
• RKC014 (Avar elite, Hungary, 650 CE) — 35.6 cM
• SE-23 (Hungarian Conqueror elite, Sandorfalva, 950 CE) — 66.3 cM
• HUAS81 (Aba Dynasty, ~1000–1300 CE) — 10.6 cM
• PER08 (Báthory-era noblewoman, ~1600 CE) — strong matching segment

Interestingly, modern admixture tools often misclassify these elite steppe signatures as “Tatar” or “Volga-Ural.” But historically, it’s the same Sarmatian–Hun–Avar–Magyar complex. The Middle Volga has been home to these layers of elite fusion, and researchers have long connected it to the Huns, Magyars, and Kabars—all part of that Finno-Ugric / Slavic / Turkic interzone. Some even see continuity between the Magyars and Mishars (Mesherya) via the Khazars and Bulgars, which fits both linguistically and genetically.

Now, on the autosomal side, I see triangulated segment clusters from around 1600 CE onward showing up all over: Albania, Macedonia, Croatia, Bosnia, Hungary, Austria, Poland, Courland, the Baltics, Finland, Sweden, France, Spain, Portugal, and even in the Americas. These likely represent cousin lines from noble dispersals or elite assimilations that took place during the collapse of steppe dynasties and the rise of early modern states.

One of the most intriguing signals is my segment match to an Iranian Yazd outlier (RW4117674). This sample falls outside typical Iranian clusters and shows elevated steppe ancestry—possibly a descendant of Saka, Sarmatian, or even Kushan-related lines that moved through eastern Iran and Central Asia. This Yazd match mirrors my Eastern cousin branch, which traces a steppe fusion line through the Altai, Central Asia, and the Caucasus, possibly merging with the line that entered Caucasus Albania.

As for the Albanian connection—I don’t see it as recent or surface-level. It’s prehistoric, embedded in the ancient Illyrian and steppe Indo-European substrate that moved into the Balkans during and after the Yamnaya expansion (~3300–2500 BCE). The line that ended up in Albania is cousin to mine, not divergent. In fact, you could argue that the modern Balkans—Albania, Macedonia, Montenegro, Serbia—preserve more of this original steppe elite ancestry than much of the rest of Europe.

So while I share some of the thread’s targets (tracing ancient lineages), I reject the framework. It’s not about modern labels—it’s about steppe mobility, elite fusion, and linguistic-cultural continuity across Eurasia. I’d love to continue the conversation, especially over on genarchivist.net if that’s easier. What’s the best way to connect there?

 

[Fshatar]

@Scythian That's cool man! I mean this in the nicest possible way but you should chill a little bit with the use of Chatgpt or other flawed AI tools. It's better you use google translate if you're not fluent enough in English. I see you put Russian as your mother tongue so I assume you're not Hungarian but Russian or Russian Tatar maybe?

Edit: lmao I see you said CTS5368 if this is not an error from Chatgpt then that is under J1a not J2b-L283. With which company did you test?

 

[Scythian]

Looks like you used chatgpt, it's interesting nonetheless. Do you think albanian has a significant amount of Scythian/Cimmerian influence? I've been wondering the same thing for a while now.

@Scythian Hello, paternal cousin! AI of any sort is not really helpful in genetics and can more often than not be misleading.

I should warn you that his thread is pure pseudoscience and mostly got to do with E1b haplotardism, claiming it brought the Albanian language (a clearly Yamnaya>Illyric language). Private messages don't work for me and are buggy on this website so maybe you'd want to connect over on genarchivist.net? Are you Hungarian by chance?

Hey @Fshatar ,


I completely agree with your initial impression—much of that original thread does veer into pseudoscientific and narrow-minded territory. That kind of haplogroup nationalism or “E1b = language X” logic ignores the complexity and fusion that define our actual genetic histories. My approach is the opposite: I’m not trying to force modern identities onto ancient movements—I’m looking at the deep population flows that shaped Eurasia well before our current ethnic lines were drawn.

Take my own case. I was born in the Middle Volga, but genetically, I’m the product of ancient elite lineages that moved between the Urals, Pontic Steppe, the Danube Basin, and the Caucasus. These included Scythian, Sarmatian, Hun, Avar, and later Hungarian Conqueror elites—culminating in noble dynasties like the Aba and Báthory families. The evidence for this shows up clearly in ancient DNA segment matches.

My Y-DNA is J2b2a1a1a (CTS5368), and its strongest concentrations today are in Albania, Macedonia, Montenegro, and adjacent areas. It’s also found among Avar elites in the Carpathian Basin and appears to have moved into Caucasus Albania by 300–800 CE, likely as part of a noble or priestly class. This line—though “eastern” by geography—was thoroughly involved in the steppe–Danube–Volga gene flow.

On the maternal side, I carry mtDNA J1c, an old lineage that entered Europe with Neolithic LBK farmers (~5500 BCE) and later fused with Yamnaya/Steppe ancestry. This LBK–Steppe fusion reappears in my matches with BR2 (Bronze Age Hungary) and LBK Stuttgart, showing the kind of Central European ancestry that eventually spread into Swiss, German, and Irish lines, and into the Balkans.

In terms of deep matches, here’s what triangulates:

• PG2004 (Eneolithic Steppe, ~4200 BCE) — 22.06 cM
• I7848 (Yamnaya, Moldova, ~2800 BCE) — 28.62 cM
• ZIM001 (Middle Bronze Age Steppe, ~1700 BCE) — 23.5 cM
• BR2 (Bronze Age Hungary, ~1200 BCE)
• Tem003 (Sarmatian-Hun, Bashkortostan, 220 CE) — 20.84 cM
• PTL003 (Hun invader, Hungary, 450 CE) — 13.4 cM
• RKC014 (Avar elite, Hungary, 650 CE) — 35.6 cM
• SE-23 (Hungarian Conqueror elite, Sandorfalva, 950 CE) — 66.3 cM
• HUAS81 (Aba Dynasty, ~1000–1300 CE) — 10.6 cM
• PER08 (Báthory-era noblewoman, ~1600 CE) — strong matching segment

Interestingly, modern admixture tools often misclassify these elite steppe signatures as “Tatar” or “Volga-Ural.” But historically, it’s the same Sarmatian–Hun–Avar–Magyar complex. The Middle Volga has been home to these layers of elite fusion, and researchers have long connected it to the Huns, Magyars, and Kabars—all part of that Finno-Ugric / Slavic / Turkic interzone. Some even see continuity between the Magyars and Mishars (Mesherya) via the Khazars and Bulgars, which fits both linguistically and genetically.

Now, on the autosomal side, I see triangulated segment clusters from around 1600 CE onward showing up all over: Albania, Macedonia, Croatia, Bosnia, Hungary, Austria, Poland, Courland, the Baltics, Finland, Sweden, France, Spain, Portugal, and even in the Americas. These likely represent cousin lines from noble dispersals or elite assimilations that took place during the collapse of steppe dynasties and the rise of early modern states.

One of the most intriguing signals is my segment match to an Iranian Yazd outlier (RW4117674). This sample falls outside typical Iranian clusters and shows elevated steppe ancestry—possibly a descendant of Saka, Sarmatian, or even Kushan-related lines that moved through eastern Iran and Central Asia. This Yazd match mirrors my Eastern cousin branch, which traces a steppe fusion line through the Altai, Central Asia, and the Caucasus, possibly merging with the line that entered Caucasus Albania.

As for the Albanian connection—I don’t see it as recent or surface-level. It’s prehistoric, embedded in the ancient Illyrian and steppe Indo-European substrate that moved into the Balkans during and after the Yamnaya expansion (~3300–2500 BCE). The line that ended up in Albania is cousin to mine, not divergent. In fact, you could argue that the modern Balkans—Albania, Macedonia, Montenegro, Serbia—preserve more of this original steppe elite ancestry than much of the rest of Europe.

So while I share some of the thread’s targets (tracing ancient lineages), I reject the framework. It’s not about modern labels—it’s about steppe mobility, elite fusion, and linguistic-cultural continuity across Eurasia. I’d love to continue the conversation, especially over on genarchivist.net if that’s easier. What’s the best way to connect there?

@Scythian That's cool man! I mean this in the nicest possible way but you should chill a little bit with the use of Chatgpt or other flawed AI tools. It's better you use google translate if you're not fluent enough in English. I see you put Russian as your mother tongue so I assume you're not Hungarian but Russian or Russian Tatar maybe?

Edit: lmao I see you said CTS5368 if this is not an error from Chatgpt then that is under J1a not J2b-L283. With which company did you test?

Well, there’s some confusion regarding its attribution. In some sources it is J1a and in others it’s J2b. I originally tested with 23andme, but I’m also in the process of getting a more comprehensive yDNA test done to clear things up.

 

[Fshatar]

Well, there’s some confusion regarding its attribution. In some sources it is J1a and in others it’s J2b. I originally tested with 23andme, but I’m also in the process of getting a more comprehensive yDNA test done to clear things up.

CTS5368 is definitely not a J2b-L283 SNP. It is a SNP for J1a-Z2215. This is why Chatgpt and AI are completely useless for genetics man.

 

[Scythian]

CTS5368 is definitely not a J2b-L283 SNP. It is a SNP for J1a-Z2215. This is why Chatgpt and AI are completely useless for genetics man.

I really want to get to the bottom of this. There is apparently some confusion going on. Can you please let me know what is incorrect in the following tree?

Regarding AI, I use a custom trained model to find triangulated DNA segments with my confirmed GEDmatch matches, and my segment overlaps are autosomal, not uniparental. My yDNA is secondary to this discussion.

J (M304)
└── Z2215 [~24,000–26,000 ybp] ← common ancestor of both J1 and J2b
├── Z2217 → J1 (M267) ← NOT your branch
└── Z1825
└── M241 → J2b
└── L283 → J2b2
└── Z638 → J2b2a
└── Z1296 → J2b2a1
└── Z631 → J2b2a1a
└── CTS5368 → J2b2a1a1a

 

[PaleoRevenge]

Two troll accounts spamming the thread with something entirely unrelated, you can discuss your haplogroup somewhere else.

 

[PaleoRevenge]

паворєта/pavorjeta	whiskers, sideburns	përvaret - to dangle from a handhold. = hanging
парити/paryty	to go quickly	paret - to progress, proceed, advance
парой/paroj	the first wax from a young bee swarm	parë - first, main, principal, primary, chief parëz - queen bee
палцетуватиси/palcetuvatysy	Arguing, to dispute, to debate	pëlcas/pëlcet - 1) to explode; burst; burst out 2) to crack
ПАР-ЗІЛЄ/PAR-ZILJE	A potion used to drive away the devils guarding the Opryshki treasures hidden in the ground, and to make it possible to access them.	përzë - to cast out, expel, remove për zili - for envy/jealousy
парть/partʹ	good behavior, conduct	paraqet - to present paraqitet - 1) to appear 2) to introduce oneself 4) to present oneself, make a showing; represent oneself, pass oneself off, misrepresent oneself paraqitshëm - presentable paraqitje - outward appearance, look; attractive appearance
паршена/paršena	happiness, bliss, joy, fortune	pasur - propertied; wealthy; rich, fortune pasurim - enrichment
пахолки/paxolky	roadside poles	pahi - 1) wooden fence/balustrade 2) wattled hurdle (used as a gate for a fence)
пацелий/pacelyj	suffered, person who has gone through many dangerous adventures	pacak - 1) boundless, unlimited 2) [Pej] unsettled, vagrant, homeless
пацельний/pacelʹnyj	agile	pacak - 1) boundless, unlimited 2) [Pej] unsettled, vagrant, homeless
пацити/pacyty	to have an adventure	pacak - 1) boundless, unlimited 2) [Pej] unsettled, vagrant, homeless
пацирка/pacyrka, пацирки/pacyrky, пацьорка/pacʹorka	1) bead, 2) women's necklace 3) bead	picir - small-bodied: tiny picirruk/picërrak - small-bodied: tiny picir - covered with small spots: dotted; freckled, spotted
піціцький/picicʹkyj	small, little	picir/picërr - small-bodied: tiny
перізка/perizka	belt, cord, girdle	brez - belt, girdle, waistband
пержити/peržyty	to gather, crowd	përzihet - 1) to become mixed together, get mingled 2) to meddle 3) to mingle (with other people) përzitës - [Old] participant in a temporary merger of livestock belonging to different owners for purposes of common herding and pasturing
перкалаб/perkalab/pârcălab	chief of the guard fortress, the head of a guarded fortress	përkallës - pretender, hypocrite, poser përkul - 1) to bend [ ] down/over 2) to cause [ ] to submit, vanquish
перкалабий/perkalabyj	with crooked legs	përkulur - 1) bent, curved 2) bent/stooped over, crouched, bowed
перкалабий/perkalabyj	river in Hutsulina, the source of beli cheremosh. quote "The Perkalab stream (“perkalaby”— in Hutsul “kryvolaby”, “crooked”) and the White Cheremosh once divided the states as a border."	përkulur - 1) bent, curved 2) bent/stooped over, crouched, bowed
перконосий/perkonosyj, пирьконосий/pyrʹkonosyj	crooked nose	compound of Albanian perkul and Slavic nos. përkul - 1) to bend [ ] down/over 2) to cause [ ] to submit, vanquish
перше/perše	just now, only, just	porsa - 1) newly-, just-, recent 2) just then, just now; hardly, barely
петек/petek	unrolled roll of cloth, roll of unbleached cloth	petë - 1) rolled-out dough, flat/thin layer of dough; layer of pastry crust 2) [Colloq] dish prepared with thin layers of dough: pasty 3) pasta 4) thin layer: sheet, stratum petka - underclothes; linens; clothes
петечьи/petečʹy, петик/petyk	1) patches of cloth 2) short dress shirt/sarong	petka - underclothes; linens; clothes petk - 1) outer garment 2) set of outer garments: suit
петренити/petrenyty	to eat something tasty	përtret - 1) to dissolve/melt [ ] completely 2) to digest/absorb [ ] completely; wear [ ] away completely; rot [ ] away completely
терешкати/tereškaty	to digest	tres/tret - 1) to melt; dissolve 2) to digest, absorb tretet - digest, dissolve
пидгулити/pydhulyty	to entice	pidh - vulva: ****, pu$$y
пиркатися/pyrkatysja	to wish someone a quick marriage	përkatës - 1) appropriate, proper; requisite; suitable 2) respective, corresponding 3) pertinent, relevant
прикутано/prykutano	composed, ordererly, chosen, clean	përkatës - 1) appropriate, proper; requisite; suitable 2) respective, corresponding 3) pertinent, relevant përkatësi - 1) one's social class 2) jurisdiction, purview, responsibility 3) relevancy, suitability; relationship
пізмак/pizmak, пізмливий/pizmlyvyj	1) angry person 2) angry 3) to spite	pezmatar - harsh, rude pezëm - rankled feelings, bitter resentment
пізьма/pizʹma, Пизма/Pyzma	malice, hatred, anger, hatred, malice, anger; hostile attitude towards someone	pezëm - rankled feelings, bitter resentment
пізмашь/pizmash	a fierce ‘enemy	pezmatar - harsh, rude pezëm - rankled feelings, bitter resentment
піківний/pikivnyj	suitable for drinking	pi(j) - to drink [liquid]; drink down [medicine] pikoj - to drip, to tickle, to leak
пільга/pilʹha	crossbars under wooden logs to facilitate their movement	pilcë - lever (for raising heavy objects)
піндюрь/pindjurʹ, піндюрити/pindjuryty	burden carried on the shoulders, to carry something on one's shoulders	pendore - plot of land that can be plowed with a yoke of oxen in one day pendar - 2) sharecropper, tenant farmer 3) ploughing oxen rider; ploughman
побигач/pobyhač, забигач/zabyhač	1) folding knife 2) penknife	beh - to happen suddenly/unexpectedly, pop up
побіда/pobida	bad weather	bie - 1 to fall; fall down/off/away 2 to drop; sink 3 to hang down loosely 4 to diminish: lose force, abate, weaken, soften; decrease, lessen 5 to land up 6 to fall victim 7 to move in for the night, stay overnight 8 to strike (<>); strike (<>) suddenly, hit <>; descend with force (on <>); knock on <> 9 to come down hard on <>: reprimand <>, scold <> 10 to cause <>to vibrate; play 11 [Colloq] to do something quickly 12 to happen (to <>); come about by chance 13 to happen upon <>, come upon by chance <>, run into <>
позавушник/pozavušnyk	blow to the neck, to the back of the head	Compound of Slavic poza - behind, and Albanian vesh - whack, strike, to hit <>, hit <> suddenly
поті/poti, потітко/potitko, потєта/potjeta, потєчій/potječij	1) baby bird 2) little chick 3) chiks 4) bird	pot - 1) baby (animal or human); litter, brood; generation 2) baby (animal or human); litter, brood; generation
похолосний/poxolosnyj	useful	pohon - 1) to assert, affirm 2) to admit, acknowledge 3) [Fig] to agree with [ ]: support
пошік/pošik	physical evidence, physical proof	pashë - I saw
претіль/pretilʹ	kind, friendly person	pret - 3) to receive [visitors/guests], welcome; give [ ] a reception pritur/prites - hospitable
пришиб/prishyb	remote place, push away; hinterland	përsipër - on top of, on; above, over
Прєтати/Prjetaty	1) to collect, to accumulate 2) To give birth (about children, grandchildren)	përjetë - 1) for a lifetime, for life: lifelong 2) forever
прєтати/prjetaty	to clean, to sift	përjashton - 1) to expel 2) to exempt; except 3) to put [ ] out of consideration: exclude
Прийти знати/Pryjty znaty	visit	Albanian përjasht(outside; outdoors) + Slavic zanti(to know, to get to know someone)
Причандалля/Pryčandallja	set of small parts	përçan - 1) to cut [ ] apart; split, divide [ ] in two 2) to split [ ] apart, cause dissension in [ ] 3) to cut across [ ], cross
ПРИСТРОЄНИЙ/PRYSTROJENYJ, Приштрямувати/Pryštrjamuvaty	Dressed, to dress up	shtrojë - 1) covering, pad 2) bed cover: sleeping mat
притахати/prytaxaty	to fade away, to extinguish	përthahet - 1) to dry up completely; become dehydrated; wither 2) (of a wound) to close up and form a scar
притока/prytoka	example	takon - 1) to touch/concern <> 2) to belong to. *In Albanian per is not used in conjugtion for takon, but the concept is still Albanoid with Albanoid etymology. The equivalent Albanian version using per is përket, with same exact meaning as takon.
пропасник/propasnyk	devil	prapët/prapësht - perverse; naughty; bad, wicked
пропій/propij	a wedding ceremony in which the groom buys the bride from her brother	prepsje - dignity, decorum
пропікає/propikaje	to get used to without something, behave, conduct oneself	përpjekë - big effort, great pains, much difficulty përpiqet - 1) to struggle; strive, endeavor 2) to writhe, thrash around 3) to exert effort; try as hard as possible
пропічливе сєто/propičlyve sjeto	a holiday, in which nothing can be worked on	përpiq - 1) to struggle; strive, endeavor 2) to writhe, thrash around 3) to exert effort; try as hard as possible. Sjeto is Slavic word for saint/holiiday.
прошпай/prošpaj	fresh snow	proshkët - fresh; freshly cooked
пухирь/puxyrʹ	small child	bir - son *recall Thracian poros

 

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раца/raca	shirt	rraçe/rraqe - fem [Colloq] household stuff, goods and belongings; household junk
ряндя/rjandja	belonging, togs, traps, old clothes, rags	rraqe - house objects, odds and ends. rrangulla - miscellaneous items: household junk, everyday odds and ends
рендза/rendza	stomach ache	rëndë - 1) heavy 2) ponderous; corpulent and ponderous in movement 3) [Colloq] pregnant 4) imposing 5) [Fig Colloq] important 7) difficult; difficult to bear, hard to take; difficult to dissolve/digest. më rëndon/më bie rënd - expression for stomach ache.
риндзя/ryndzja, риндзя/ryndzja	stomach	rrëndës - rennet. rrëndos - (Dairy) to add rennet to [milk] (to make cheese)
риндзатий/ryndzatyj, рондюх/rondjux	paunchy, big belly	rëndë - 1) heavy 2) ponderous; corpulent and ponderous in movement 3) [Colloq] pregnant 4) imposing 5) [Fig Colloq] important 7) difficult; difficult to bear, hard to take; difficult to dissolve/digest.
риндза/ryndza	rennet curd mass in the stomach of a young calf	rrëndës - rennet. rrëndos - (Dairy) to add rennet to [milk] (to make cheese)
РОГИ/ROHY	to rub (whip) the horns – to defeat, to overcome someone, to tame	rreh - 1) to beat/pat [ ] repeatedly: pound, beat, pat, batter, buffet, flail; hammer [metal]; clap [hands]; churn [milk]; hackle [fiber]; flail 2) to beat
репеха/repexa, рапа/rapa	home-woven rough cloth shirt, old shirt made of rough cloth	rroba - clothes
репіжити/repižyty, репотіти/repotity, репідити/repidyty	1) to shout/scream with emotion 2) cry, to roar, to scream	rreptë - 1) severe, harsh 2) strict, precise 3) stern 4) fierce, violent, ferocious
зарйидити/zarjydyty	to add butter, oil to food	rrjedh - 1) to flow; flow by 2) to leak 3) to flow as a result: follow 4) to pour in/out
РІЖА/RIŽA	A clearing, a pasture in the middle of the forest	rrëzë - place of juncture between something vertical and something horizontal: base, foot (of a tree/hill/mountain), bank (of a river), edge (of a forest)
ризи/ryzy	wooden chutes used to lower the felled tree from the mountain	rrëzohet - 1) to fall, fall down; collapse; fall out 2) to move down for a while to a lower region rrëzon - 1) to cause [ ] to fall, fell: knock/throw/cut down 2) to cause [ ] to fall apart: break, break [ ] down/up 3) [Fig] to overthrow; upset, overturn 4) (of a boat) to move off course rrëshqitë - 1) slippery place 2) chute
ріндитиси/rindytysy	to beautify yourself while dressing	rinohet - to be/feel rejuvenated rini - 1) youth 2) youthfulness
рябаґа/rjabaga	old branch	rëmbak - arterial
розсіш/rozsiš, росіш/rosiš	forked stream, the confluence of two rivers	rras - to come pouring in from all directions

 

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A few things:

• Albanian rroba is likely a borrowing from Norman(see English robes), probably it is listed as such in paid etymological dictionaries. So likely no real connection with the Hutusl version.
• Rohy - which means horn in Slavic, I think the expression to whip someone is not engulfed in the word itself but part of the phrase, I'll correct it later. However the expression likely has it's origin in Albanian rreh - to beat. As people do not have horns and to beat the horns out of someone is a non-sense term. The Hutsul phrase/expression has it's legacy from a time they were Dacian speakers.
• Riza might be better explained through Romanian word for radius, same as Albanian reze which is Latin derived.
• ryzy is suppose to have Germanic origin form medieval German, however I could not an actual testimony, the explanation might be a speculation and not traceable in historical records as German loan words usually are.
• rozsiš is likely Slavic but I left it in the list.

Na vidlju - from myself, in my own name, personally.

 

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сегельба/sehelʹba	rocky barren land	shogëlinë - small barren area: bare spot; small clearing in the woods shog - baldy, baldhead
синівка/synivka	damp piercing cold, winter fog	shinon - to rain
сировиця/syrovycja	salt water	shurrë - piss, urine *Note urine is salty, it contains salt
сураво/suravo	scared	shurrohet - to piss in one's pants; wet one's bed
скиртеж/skyrtež	beech	shqarth - (Zool) stone marten, beech marten (Martes foina). From Proto-Albanian *skera
скіпаниці/skipanyci	wood chips/sticks to light a fire or light the house or hut	shkopinj - chopstick. shkop - wooden stick; rod; cane
скуртул/skurtul	very steep mountain road	skutelë - dome shkurtër - short
слембуватиси/slembuvatysy	to worry	sëmbim - feeling of regret shembur - 1) fallen down, in ruins 2) [Fig] in ruin, ruined
сокотити/sokotyty, соктитиси/soktytysy	1) to guard, to take care of 2) beware, to watch	shikon - 1) to look at [ ]; observe 2) to examine [ ] carefully 3) to take care of [ ]: look after [ ]; see to [ ]
вісокотити/visokotyty	to watch out	shikon - 1) to look at [ ]; observe 2) to examine [ ] carefully 3) to take care of [ ]: look after [ ]; see to [ ]
засокотитиси/zasokotytysy	to beware, to protect oneself, to be careful	shikon - 1) to look 2) to take heed, take care: look out 3) to see
спороватий/sporovatyj	with difficulty breathing	shparit/shparis - to tire [ ] out greatly
спричкуватиси/spryčkuvatysy	to get lost	shpërkënden - to misdirect [ ], lead [ ] astray, mislead
стємитиси/stjemytysy	to come back to his senses	shtemët - without a sound, mutely, silently
страктувати/straktuvaty	to destroy	shkatërroj - destroy, ruin. shkatërron - 1) to ruin [ ] completely, devastate, demolish 2) [Fig] to damage [ ] terribly, play hell with [ ] 3) to untangle
страче/strače	stillborn, unbaptized child	shtrak/shtraq - 1) thin outer skin; membrane; filmy layer that forms on liquids: scum 2) (Anat) placenta
стрижка/stryžka	sheep	shtrri - young livestock: lambs and kids
стригат/stryhat	clot in milk	shtrap - filmy layer that forms on liquids: scum; pond scum
стріхати/strixaty	to dry	shtrin - 1) to stretch; stretch [ ] out; spread, extend; outstretch 2) to lay out [ ], lay; bring to the ground, kill
струнка/strunka	1) gate, gateway 2) a place in a sheepfold where sheep are milked 3) tooth-turning	shtrungë - 1) narrow runway in a goat/sheep pen into which animals are guided for individual handling 2) goat/sheep pen 3) small shallow channel dug from the irrigation canal into the irrigation ditch of a field
СУМАТАР/SUMATAR	a very rich man; someone who has a lot of money	shumë - 1) a lot (of), much; many 2) an amount
СУМАР/SUMAR	is a great rich man.	shumë - 1) a lot (of), much; many 2) an amount
НЕСУМЕННИЙ/NESUMENNYJ	an incredible amount – an extremely large amount.	shumicë - 1 )multitude; large quantity, abundance 2) most, the largest amount/number; majority
гушма/hušma	bundle, large pile	shumtë - in large quantity; many, numerous
гушемка/hušemka	small beam, small bundle	shumë - mult-, poly-, many-
сурдугіти/surduhity	to spin clumsily, to spin ineptly	shpurdh - to wriggle; writhe. shpurdhet - to wriggle around impatiently
сурдук/surduk	bottleneck	shurdhesë - animal's lair.

 

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Another interesting section, there are some words that are available in goroh, where the etymology is clearly guess work.

To refresh memories the word "straktuvaty" can be broken as follows strakt-uvaty, with uvaty being a Slavic(Ukranian) suffix. Strakt is likely partially deformed as many substrate Hutsul words often are after undergoing Slavicisation. Yet still visibly related to Albanian. Skipanyci on the other hand has not been deformed other than having a Slavic suffix at the end, and it's relation to Albanian shkopinj is clear as day.
Sporovatyj can be broken as sporo-vatyj, with vatyj being a Slavic suffic. Other examples: Sokotyty = sokot-ty, visokotyty = vi-sokot-ty, zasokotytysy = za-sokoty-tysy. This demonstrates how words of non-Slavic origin are often wrapped with Slavic action verbs(vi, za) and a Slavic suffix making them visually appear Slavic.

Most interesting is the word Sumar, Sumatar and Nesumennyj. Without a doubt it is clearly relate to Albanian shumë, which in term is assumed to be related to Latin summum, which has a different meaning and it has no Albanain equivalent among modern Latin languages.

summum - Wiktionary, the free dictionary

en.wiktionary.org

The Hutsul word even has a Albanian suffix, suma-tar = shumëtar. The suffix "-tar" is primarily used to form agent nouns, indicating a person who performs a specific action or profession. Even NESUMENNYJ is fully Albanoid, as ne in Slavic would equato to no/not, nesumennyj would equate to në shumicë/me shumicë.

hušma has a more pan-Ukranian useage, it is assumed to be from Tartar "xuš"(together, in one row"). The connection seems weak, and it might be a devolved varian of Hutsul prior examples. In either case, the connection between Hutsul substrate and Albanian is not dependent on the weaker singletons.