Appearance of Sicilians relative to other Mediterraneans? (poll included)

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[Nova123]

they look like Ashkenazi Jews

 

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they look like Ashkenazi Jews

And Sephardi Jews too.. if you had to choose one of the listed poll options which would you pick?

 

[Nova123]

oreo_cookie : if you had to choose one of the listed poll options which would you pick?

Spaniards - Greeks

 

[Nova123]

hello oreo_cookie

Guess the origin of those women ( Middle Eastern or European or North African ) ?

http://www.eupedia.com/forum/showth...-Middle-Eastern-or-European-or-North-African-)

 

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I guessed

 

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More people for this thread;

 

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[Bodin]

Ofcourse they are very diverse phenotipicaly , but Levantine echarachteristics prevale , maybe it has something to do with Syrrian slaves that were on Sicilly during Roman empire , working plantajas , in that times Sicilly was after North Africa most important source of crops for empire . Some historians mention big numbers like million of Syrrian slaves on island

 

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It could also be due to the Neolithic or the Phoenician and Carthaginian conquests of the island.

 

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[Bodin]

It could also be due to the Neolithic or the Phoenician and Carthaginian conquests of the island.

Yes that is probably part of it to , thanks for corecting

 

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I'm not sure where exactly Neolithic expansion would have come from, but there is some sharing of y-dna haplogroups between the two populations, mainly J2 and E1b1b.

 

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Anyone else have other pictures to add or comments, poll votes etc?

 

[Goga]

Your questions are very childish! Sicilians do look like Sicilian first and Italians second. They're one of the most fascinating people in Europe! Endlessly fascinating folks.

I like their South European temperament, but I don't think that even their South European temperament can beat my temperament! I've got more emotion and passion.

 

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Your questions are very childish! Sicilians do look like Sicilian first and Italians second. They're one of the most fascinating people in Europe! Endlessly fascinating folks.

I like their South European temperament, but I don't think that even their South European temperament can beat my temperament! I've got more emotion and passion.

If you don't like my threads don't post! They are all valid questions.

 

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[Cambrius (The Red)]

oreo cookie: But doesn't appearance correlate more with autosomal DNA?

Correct. Too sad this seems to be a nightmare for some individuals.

And acording to the autosomal data, althought Sicilians and Southern Italians are very close to Greeks, they must be a bit darker in average.

Haplogroups have nothing to do with phisical appearence. Tell those Italians tested in haplogroup T that they are Ethiopians, and they'll be laughing all day. It's that simple.

Absolutely. Haplogroups are basically only helpful in gaining an understanding of ancient migration movements. That's why I don't understand why some people are still using haplogroup frequencies to define population groups.

Phenotypes have all to do with autosomal DNA. Thousands of alleles comprise full heritage (and phenotypes) and autosomal DNA research is critical in determining regional contributions to genomes and shedding light on phenotypes.

 

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Absolutely. Haplogroups are basically only helpful in gaining an understanding of ancient migration movements. That's why I don't understand why some people are still using haplogroup frequencies to define population groups.

The thing with haplogroup frequencies is that autosomal DNA seems to correlate more with y-dna than mtdna for the following reason; historically it has been men who have moved about, conquered different regions and settled them, taking local wives. Therefore, y-dna would change more dramatically but mtdna has remained the same, while layers of new genes add up and dilute the autosomal component of the mtdna since population movements historically have been more male-based.

 

[Knovas]

People mix and autosomes get diluted or replaced, that's why you'll never find an exact estimation. Even the high presence of a haplogroup does not necesarily mean an autosomal correlation, as for example, the Passiegos have 40% of haplogroup E and they cluster with Basques if I'm not mistaken. So nothing to do with North Africans, the population which fits better according to the haplogroup E presence between them.

That's the best example, but surely it's possible to find others.