Genetic study Disparate demographic impacts of the Roman Colonization and the Migration Period in the Iberian Peninsula.

This chart is from the 2021 Flores-Bello study of Basques.

How does it even define "Roman-related ancestry"...Iron Age or Imperial or mixed?
They were Romans from Imperial Age and Late Antiquity, the authors said it in the supplemental information.
 
Central and Eastern Mediterranean is quite a wide and heterogeneous area to form a unique component though, isn't it?
They are referring specifically to East Mediterranean-related ancestry, from the study :

“Ancestry analysis of the Roman Period individuals reveals the significant presence of East Mediterranean-related ancestry (Figure 2B) that we modeled with Roman and Byzantine groups from West Anatolia. This signal can be detected as soon as the 3rd century CE at Tarraco (Barranc de Sales archaeological site) or at Empuries, and it is attested as well at the Y-chromosome level,with lineages like J-L210, J-L26, and J-Z2177 (Table S1) that are absent during the Iron Age in Iberia to the limits of our resolution, but typical in the Eastern Mediterranean. These patterns are consistent with those observed in other parts of the Roman Empire, such as the Imperial core in
Rome and central Italy (Antonio et al., 2019; Posth et al., 2021) and the Balkans (Olalde et al.,2023). The Iberian Peninsula also received this demographic input, which could have its proximal source in the Italian Peninsula, where this ancestry was already widespread, or in more eastern provinces where this ancestry has its distal origin. Unlike the Italian Peninsula or the Balkans, where individuals fully deriving from Eastern Mediterranean populations are documented, in Iberia, this ancestry tends to be always in admixed form.”

WestAnatolia_Roman_Byzantine: This population is composed by a group of individuals who inhabited the Aegean cost of Anatolia during the Roman-Byzantine period (Lazaridis et al., 2022). We use this source as a proxy for the Eastern Mediterranean signal present in the Italian Peninsula and the Balkans during the Imperial Period (Antonio et al., 2019; Olalde et al., 2023; Posth et al., 2021).
 
The most obvious conclusion is that the Roman period had a significant impact on Iberian genetics, it brought a significant demographic flow from people with ancestry from the Central and Eastern Mediterranean and from North Africa to central and southern Iberia. Ancestry from the Central and Eastern Mediterranean is the WestAnatolia_Roman_Byzantine component in the table that I posted above.

The Germanic peoples were few in number and were absorbed into the mass of the population leaving a small genetic contribution.

The dissemination of North African ancestry in the Roman period is impressive. Nevertheless, this ancestry would not have spread significantly to the north of the peninsula.
This North African ancestry will have increased during the Islamic period and the repopulation of the south/central Iberian Peninsula and the consequent reduction of this NA ancestry, referred by Vitruvius, occurred during the Reconquista and from northern areas where Iron Age ancestry predominated.
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It is too bad we can’t get samples from north west iberia in this period as it would help explain whether it was found that nafri genetics were found as far as Galicia. If not, then Islamic era migrations of nafri-infused populations most have moved north during that time to explain higher admixtures.
 
Interesting bro, why is that?
We are expected to believe from the Flores-Bello chart above that most modern Spanish are between 40pc to 55pc East Med or Byzantine Roman, or what have you?
According to the report, this signal begins in the 3rd century AD.
Are we also to believe that the Italic settlers (Italica near Seville, etc) in southern Iberia dating from the 2nd century BC were not genetically significant. These settlers were not predominantly East Med,surely.
 
We are expected to believe from the Flores-Bello chart above that most modern Spanish are between 40pc to 55pc East Med or Byzantine Roman, or what have you?
According to the report, this signal begins in the 3rd century AD.
Are we also to believe that the Italic settlers (Italica near Seville, etc) in southern Iberia dating from the 2nd century BC were not genetically significant. These settlers were not predominantly East Med,surely.
Thanks, I was just curious about your opinion.

The Romans used in that study are not so high of East Med roots, in fact the Roman samples that Flores-Bello used, the majority of them clustered basically as South/Central/North Italians and between other ones I don't remember but with a little bit more East Med/Levantine than Italians, but they just removed some outliers of both Ages (Those mentioned in this study: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7093155/).

So they didn't use just pure of "Byzantine Roman-like" samples, we could say the Roman label in the study is basically "italian and some pops with a little bit higher of Levantine/East Med".

I hope I have made myself clear, it's very difficult for me to explain because English is not my first language
 
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The most obvious conclusion is that the Roman period had a significant impact on Iberian genetics, it brought a significant demographic flow from people with ancestry from the Central and Eastern Mediterranean and from North Africa to central and southern Iberia. Ancestry from the Central and Eastern Mediterranean is the WestAnatolia_Roman_Byzantine component in the table that I posted above.

The Germanic peoples were few in number and were absorbed into the mass of the population leaving a small genetic contribution.

The dissemination of North African ancestry in the Roman period is impressive. Nevertheless, this ancestry would not have spread significantly to the north of the peninsula.
This North African ancestry will have increased during the Islamic period and the repopulation of the south/central Iberian Peninsula and the consequent reduction of this NA ancestry, referred by Vitruvius, occurred during the Reconquista and from northern areas where Iron Age ancestry predominated.
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My knowledge on Iberian historic demography is lacking. Out of curiosity do we have any records indicating a north to south repeopling after the reconquista? SE Iberia is one thing but out of this study it was Meseta which really surprised me, as it does appear to be fairly North African shifted and is rather deep both inland and in the northern half of the peninsula. It doesn't have the dense Iron age dominated clusters that Erbo River shows, either.
 
They are referring specifically to East Mediterranean-related ancestry, from the study :

“Ancestry analysis of the Roman Period individuals reveals the significant presence of East Mediterranean-related ancestry (Figure 2B) that we modeled with Roman and Byzantine groups from West Anatolia. This signal can be detected as soon as the 3rd century CE at Tarraco (Barranc de Sales archaeological site) or at Empuries, and it is attested as well at the Y-chromosome level,with lineages like J-L210, J-L26, and J-Z2177 (Table S1) that are absent during the Iron Age in Iberia to the limits of our resolution, but typical in the Eastern Mediterranean. These patterns are consistent with those observed in other parts of the Roman Empire, such as the Imperial core in
Rome and central Italy (Antonio et al., 2019; Posth et al., 2021) and the Balkans (Olalde et al.,2023). The Iberian Peninsula also received this demographic input, which could have its proximal source in the Italian Peninsula, where this ancestry was already widespread, or in more eastern provinces where this ancestry has its distal origin. Unlike the Italian Peninsula or the Balkans, where individuals fully deriving from Eastern Mediterranean populations are documented, in Iberia, this ancestry tends to be always in admixed form.”

WestAnatolia_Roman_Byzantine: This population is composed by a group of individuals who inhabited the Aegean cost of Anatolia during the Roman-Byzantine period (Lazaridis et al., 2022). We use this source as a proxy for the Eastern Mediterranean signal present in the Italian Peninsula and the Balkans during the Imperial Period (Antonio et al., 2019; Olalde et al., 2023; Posth et al., 2021).
Western Anatolians during the Roman Era (Anatolian Greeks) are obviously not representative of Italian demography during the Imperial era, even if Italians most certainly were influenced by such genetics from the Magna Graecian era. It would be like trying to equate an Austrian to a Swede, I'd say. I've no doubt that Iberia received some of this type of ancestry but in what context is a very hard question to answer because it appears from my perspective that a lot of those bearing BA aegean/imperial italian like ancestry are already mixed with locals and not so much pure colonizers. We would probably need a timeline that goes further back into the republican era or earlier imperial era to see what the first few generations of the colonizing cluster look like, if it can be found.

Of course the problem with this is that burials are rather non traditional and uncommon amongst the Romans so it will be hard to find those data points for this particular culture/funerary rite.
 
My knowledge on Iberian historic demography is lacking. Out of curiosity do we have any records indicating a north to south repeopling after the reconquista? SE Iberia is one thing but out of this study it was Meseta which really surprised me, as it does appear to be fairly North African shifted and is rather deep both inland and in the northern half of the peninsula. It doesn't have the dense Iron age dominated clusters that Erbo River shows, either.
I believe the modern Spanish Basques and their neighbours in La Rioja lack North African admixture.
 
Off topic, but I'm a new user and I want to know why a post mine answering to the user Vallicanus (No published yet) is with this warning label:

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Why does that happen?
 
We are expected to believe from the Flores-Bello chart above that most modern Spanish are between 40pc to 55pc East Med or Byzantine Roman, or what have you?
According to the report, this signal begins in the 3rd century AD.
Are we also to believe that the Italic settlers (Italica near Seville, etc) in southern Iberia dating from the 2nd century BC were not genetically significant. These settlers were not predominantly East Med,surely.
I agree that ~50% Roman era Anatolian is much too high for modern Iberians to be plausable and that's even assuming the ancestry came directly from anatolia which is unlikely. They have aegean like ancestry but it is much less than half.
 
I agree that ~50% Roman era Anatolian is much too high for modern Iberians to be plausable and that's even assuming the ancestry came directly from anatolia which is unlikely. They have aegean like ancestry but it is much less than half.
The majority of romans in the Flores-Bello study clustered with modern South/Central/North Italians, besides other samples that cluster in pops with a little bit higher East Med/Levantine but without being so far away in the PCA with the Italians (In fact they were relatively close each other).
 
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I believe the modern Spanish Basques and their neighbours in La Rioja lack North African admixture.
So you're proposing a repopulation by a large movement from basque country and La Rioja? That would certainly be genetically plausible and basques today do indeed plot directly over IA Iberians. I'm curious to see what our Iberian commenters thoughts are on the historicity of this scenario.
 
Hopefully, our Iberian friends will confirm this repeopling of the centre and south from areas like the Basque country and La Rioja as the Reconquista moved south.

Along the east coast the Catalan-speakers, originally closely related to Occitan-speakers in southern France, moved southwards from the Carolingian March of Barcelona as far down as Alicante.
 
The majority of romans in the Flores-Bello study clustered with modern South/Central/North Italians, besides other samples that cluster in pops with a little bit higher East Med/Levantine but without being so far away in the PCA with the Italians (In fact they were relatively close each other).
I'm confused here. Are we talking of West Anatolians? Are we talking of South/Central/North Italians? As Vitruvius points out those are not inter-changeable.

Also scientists should make up their mind: are "South/Central/North Italians" homogeneous enough to form a cluster? Sometimes they are, sometimes they are not depending on what is the result they wish to demonstrate.
 
I'm confused here. Are we talking of West Anatolians? Are we talking of South/Central/North Italians? As Vitruvius points out those are not inter-changeable.

Also scientists should make up their mind: are "South/Central/North Italians" homogeneous enough to form a cluster? Sometimes they are, sometimes they are not depending on what is the result they wish to demonstrate.
I'm confused too.

South/Central/North Italians is not an homogenous genetic category at all.
 
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I used Google translate:

Yes, well, I don't know how to explain it anymore, but I left the link there; Flores-Bello wrote in his study that he used the Imperial Romans and Late Antiquity from that study that I left (Ancient Rome: A genetic crossroads of Europe and the Mediterranean by Margaret L. Antonio) simply Flores-Bello and his team did not use the outliers that Margaret Antonio's study had removed and simply used the rest of the Romans.

I read the study time ago, so this is what I remember:

-Of the 48 Imperial Romans, they removed 4 outliers; so they used 44 samples.
-Of the 24 LA Romans, they removed 3 outliers, so they used 21 samples.

(Even so, check the information that is in the studies).

To know which Margaret Antonio and their team considered as outliers, you should check the PDF of the complementary information of the study (Ancient Rome: A genetic crossroads of Europe and the Mediterranean).
 
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I'm confused too.

South/Central/North Italians is not an homogenous genetic category at all.
I just write what Flores-Bello and his team did, they took and used them to form the Roman label in their study.
 
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