E-m123*

kingjohn said:
hi valerius,
i look at a new paper :
it is a pre-print there are 1097 samples from
all across iran
the paper checked for 17 y-str markers

i checked some of the haplotypes looking for E branches ( in nevgen predictor)
and i saw an e-m123>pf4428 case in tabriz azari;)

https://imgur.com/qOXJEdR


sample name in the supplemental : TBZ 273
the number of samples from tabriz region of azari origin were 41
so total 1/41 is 2.4% e-m123*

p.s
whit athey predictor predict it though as j1 so i am not sure ( i usually count more on nevgen so i think it is a real e-m123* )
figure-fig1.ppm



source paper:

https://www.researchsquare.com/article/rs-2560710/v1
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interesting! I observed from an older journal
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Ancient Migratory Events in the Middle East: New Clues from the Y-Chromosome Variation of Modern Iranians

Knowledge of high resolution Y-chromosome haplogroup diversification within Iran provides important geographic context regarding the spread and compartmentalization of male lineages in the Middle East and southwestern Asia. At present, the Iranian population ...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
It turns out that 3-4%of Iranian males are E-M123 however E-M123*(xm34) is still rare only 1 observed in Khuzestan arab and another 1 case in mazandaran
now you have 1 in azari which did not showed up in previous journal, that makes me think if we have higher # on samples we might have new clues on Iranian E-M123*
 
Harutyan Jort said:
interesting! I observed from an older journal
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Ancient Migratory Events in the Middle East: New Clues from the Y-Chromosome Variation of Modern Iranians

Knowledge of high resolution Y-chromosome haplogroup diversification within Iran provides important geographic context regarding the spread and compartmentalization of male lineages in the Middle East and southwestern Asia. At present, the Iranian population ...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
It turns out that 3-4%of Iranian males are E-M123 however E-M123*(xm34) is still rare only 1 observed in Khuzestan arab and another 1 case in mazandaran
now you have 1 in azari which did not showed up in previous journal, that makes me think if we have higher # on samples we might have new clues on Iranian E-M123*
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Yes
Those 2 cases of e-m123* are confirmed
By snp by the researchers in the paper you posted
As oposed to the azari from tabriz is based on a prediction of 17 markers so we can't be sure about him
I do wonder why they didn't use snp testing
Instead of y-str prediction
It's a paper from 2023
 
e-m123>pf4428 1.22% 1/81 in hungarians from baranja ( north east croatia)

known snp e-m123( 23 y-str markers predicted by nevgen predictor)
DV056- e-m123( likely e-m123>pf4428)

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source :

Phylogenetic study of the Hungarian-speaking Baranja (Croatia) and Zobor region (Slovakia) populations

In this study, we delved into the uniparental genetic lineage of Hungarian-speaking minorities residing in rural villages of Baranja and the Zobor region, located in contemporary Croatia and Slovakia, respectively. Our focus was on identifying ancestral patterns by examining genetic markers di...
www.researchsquare.com www.researchsquare.com


p.s
in nevgen it looks like e-m123>pf4428
with values of: 13,19 in dys385a,b
it doesn't look like e-m123>m34
side note :
unsurprisingly almost all of the e1b1b1 cases in this paper from baranja croatia and zobor slovakia are e-m78>v13
 
Interesting to see 1st sample from Hungary @kingjohn - there is also one in Eastern Austria.
 
Valerius said:
Interesting to see 1st sample from Hungary @kingjohn - there is also one in Eastern Austria.
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yes
lets hope for more papers were e-m123* cases will show up
i can assure you i am always looking for them ;)

by the way :
a new ftdna kit from syria only 12 markers but confirmed for e-pf4428
BP51277xxxxxxxxxxSyrian Arab RepublicE-PF44281325151013-13111212131130

I didn't post his surname and city out of privacy reasons of this kit
you can add him to your e-m123* blog💪
 
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IN115811xxxxxPalestinian TerritoryE-PF44281324151013-14111212141131149-910112814203515-15-16-16101120-231514162035-371410
 
37 markers but look at nevgen predictor as e-m123>pf4428
IN132228xxxxxSaudi ArabiaE-M351325141113-18111212131131179-911112814193314-15-16-16101119-231314182033-341310

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kingjohn said:
37 markers but look at nevgen predictor as e-m123>pf4428
IN132228xxxxxSaudi ArabiaE-M351325141113-18111212131131179-911112814193314-15-16-16101119-231314182033-341310
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Saudi Arabia was strangely the only place lacking E-pf4428 in the ME region - seems now that changes if this prediction is correct.
 
Valerius said:
Saudi Arabia was strangely the only place lacking E-pf4428 in the ME region - seems now that changes if this prediction is correct.
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at this project :
www.familytreedna.com

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there is a kit
country writtern is jordan ( yet when i look at the map i see that kit from saudi arabia medina region )
confusing:unsure:
it is 67 markers :
but the ending of the final 4 markers out of the 67 tested of 10,12,10,11 or 11,12,10,11 usually suggesting the e-m123 direction :)

174342xxxxxJordanE-M351426131014-18111213141231169-911112715213514-14-16-17101119-221613181931-37141010815-15710108119023-24191012121471128181113111510121011


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i know it is an old sample from back in the day
still cool someone at twitter posted :
the male y haplogroup among the tasmola culture 800-400 bc
DA-19
E-M123>FT20896>FT179548
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Source on this culture:

Tasmola culture - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org
 
valerius if you are interested here are the real g25 values of the late antiquity 2069 e-m123>pf4428 individual from south tyrol
(posted by someone in genarchivist forum) (y)

Italy:2069,0.124067,0.158423,0.026021,-0.016473,0.03416,-0.008646,0.000235,-0.001154,0.005113,0.031162,-0.00682,0.009292,-0.016501,-0.00578,-0.010179,0.005967,0.022035,0.005954,-0.004777,0.000125,-0.001872,0.006677,0.000986,0.002651,-0.00455


source paper:

modern populations closest :
Distance to:Italy:2069
0.02991804French_Corsica
0.03097194Italian_Veneto
0.03300533Italian_Piedmont
0.03402883Italian_Bergamo
0.03453743Italian_Lombardy
0.03456325Italian_Tuscany
0.03503599Italian_Emilia
0.03515925Swiss_Italian
0.03561455Italian_Trentino_Alto_Adige
0.03821198Albanian
0.03938535Italian_Umbria
0.04115767Spanish_Baleares
0.04150980Italian_Northeast
0.04177992Spanish_Mallorca
0.04257753Italian_Lazio
0.04268587Italian_Marche
0.04271526Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.04293388Greek_Thessaly
0.04354723Spanish_Menorca
0.04411892Italian_Liguria
0.04447539Greek_Central_Macedonia
0.04453258French_Provence
0.04515084Italian_Friuli_Venezia_Giulia_Sappada
0.04562023Spanish_Eivissa
0.04573996Greek_Achaea
 
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