E-V13 Frequencies and New Data

I know many Kosovo Albanians in the west that are not tested. Only met one guy there that did a test but he only did autosomal.
That's because sampling is not so simple and easy. It comes down to finding the human resources to contribute to collection. Gathering funds, convincing people to test etc. Some people are still apprehensive and don't trust testing.

At one point there was practically zero samples in Southern Kosove. I sponsored 20+ of them myself between Prizren/Opoje and a few in other pockets. Most of my personal contributions are to Albania and Macedonia though.
 
10% error margin (95% confidence). Might as well say Kosovo is 27% for E-V13.

Rather not, because there is no study or larger sample which puts E-V13 anywhere below 30 %. That's kind of out of question. I just mentioned it because at FTDNA the sampling seems to be less clan based, to put it that way, and something like 80-90 samples is not THAT BAD for a small region like Kosovo.
Obviously way more testing is ideal, but that's true for almost any region and people.
The papers which consider Kosovo always put E-V13 above 40 % as far as I know. For YFull the problem is there is no choice for Kosovo...
 
Haplogroup I1 in Kosovars can be negative 5% with that ape level math and reasoning.
You have no clue how statistics work, which isn’t a surprise. That calculation is specifically for E-V13 bucket from that sample size that was quoted.
 
Malok please, you're the most math challenged population in Europe. You don't even have concept of time, I have never got an accurate time estimate in malok lands. Math, time, numbers, not your thing muhh iillyrian and n sh!t.
 
Malok please, you're the most math challenged population in Europe. You don't even have concept of time, I have never got an accurate time estimate in malok lands. Math, time, numbers, not your thing muhh iillyrian and n sh!t.
You miscalculated haplogroup percentages, got called out, and had no answer. Instead of defending your point, you cried about time perception, as if that has anything to do with the discussion. The real math-challenged one is you, and the entire forum can see it. Go retake your STAT101 course.
 
That is just pure emotional projection, the desperate flailing of someone who knows they’ve lost but wants to say something, anything, to save face. The problem? You just exposed your own ignorance and insecurities. You spewed a pathetic attempt at mockery that doesn’t even make sense. This is what intellectual defeat looks like.

When your entire rhetorical arsenal is reduced to mockery, you expose your own weaknesses, not those of the people you’re attacking. You’re simply providing a live demonstration of what happens when emotion and bigotry replace rational thought.
 
You miscalculated haplogroup percentages, got called out, and had no answer. Instead of defending your point, you cried about time perception, as if that has anything to do with the discussion. The real math-challenged one is you, and the entire forum can see it. Go retake your STAT101 course.
He didn't understand what he posted and Dibran masterfully set the record straight. He had nothing to reply back and started to rant about "maloks".
 
He didn't understand what he posted and Dibran masterfully set the record straight. He had nothing to reply back and started to rant about "maloks".
Yes I know, not sure what his trauma in the past is with people from that region, but it must run deep clearly because that is all he seems to attack. It's pretty obvious that he's a troll or someone with genuine issues in life, for such people it's hard to believe they actually exist in a functioning society, sadly. If his only move is to ridicule people based on their regional origin or personal details, it’s no wonder he hasn't provided a shred of meaningful data. They’re just proof that he has nothing to contribute.
 
Your response is a masterclass in intellectual dishonesty, packed with baseless accusations, logical fallacies, and empty rhetoric. You’ve provided zero data, zero sources, and zero valid counterpoints, while resorting to conspiracy theories, personal attacks, and laughable deflections. This was nothing more than weak, emotional outburst with no factual basis.

Your claim that something "shady" is going on is nothing more than paranoia without proof. Where is your evidence? Where is your data? You throw around accusations with 100% certainty yet fail to provide even a single verifiable fact to back them up. That is not how intellectual discussions work; that is how irrational people operate when they have no real argument. The idea that Rrenjet is manipulating donation allocations is absurd. If you had even the slightest understanding of how the project operates, you would know that sponsorships determine where samples are collected, and donors receive a full breakdown of where their funds go. I personally have access to a full record of test kit distributions, so your vague accusations mean nothing. Hell, just open the damn project site and look at the picture of the map where it's visually apparent where each tested sample is from/collected lol.

Your obsession with the haplogroups of Rrenjet admins is completely irrelevant to the validity of the dataset. Science is not dictated by the personal genetics of the people managing a project; it is dictated by the methodology, sample size, and transparency of results. What matters is the data, and the data is crystal clear, E-V13 is the most frequent haplogroup among Albanians. If the admins were all E-V13, would that somehow make the numbers more valid? Would it then justify the same baseless logic, that there is a conspiracy against non-E-V13 individuals? No. Facts remain facts regardless of who presents them. Your argument is a desperate attempt to shift focus away from the dataset itself because you know you have no valid counterargument.

You also try to invoke "Original Albanian DNA" and claim that an E-V13 admin ran it, as if that somehow invalidates Rrenjet’s dataset and makes theirs the quintessential reference point. That is nothing but a red herring, a pathetic attempt to inject an irrelevant point into the discussion. No one is excluding anyone from testing based on haplogroup. The fact that Rrenjet has the most detailed regional dataset ever compiled for Albanians, covering all haplogroups, completely obliterates your argument. E-V13 is well-documented, and no one is hiding it—your entire theory falls apart on its face.

Then comes your next unsupported claim: that Kosovo should be 40-45% E-V13 and Albanians in Macedonia should be around 30-32%, according to some mysterious "Macedonian paper" that you refuse to cite. Where is this paper? Who conducted the study? What was the sample size? What were the regions tested? Where can we verify its findings? You conveniently refuse to provide even a single reference. That’s because you don’t actually have a study, or you know that whatever study you’re referring to has nowhere near the sample size, regionalization or transparency of Rrenjet. This is what intellectually dishonest people do—they make vague references to “studies” that no one can verify and expect people to take them at face value. Meanwhile, Rrenjet’s dataset is fully available, fully transparent, and has nearly 2,000 Albanian samples with detailed regional breakdowns. If you believe another dataset is more accurate, prove it. I have yet to see a study that has a massive sample size, or even detailed reporting of regions and villages.

Here are the actual numbers, which completely destroy your claim that Rrenjet is downplaying E-V13. Among 1,793 tested ethnic Albanians, E-V13 is 28.2%, making it the most frequent haplogroup overall. Among Gheg Albanians (1,198 samples), E-V13 is 30.5%, while among Tosk Albanians (563 samples), it is 23.3%. The regional breakdown shows that E-V13 is dominant in the vast majority of locations. In Kosovo (291 samples and growing), E-V13 is 33.7%, with city-level percentages of Gjakovë (33.3%), Pejë (39.3%), Prizren (16.1%), Ferizaj (41.7%), Gjilan (28%), Prishtinë (40.3%), and Mitrovicë (45.9%). That alone obliterates your conspiracy theory. If Rrenjet were "suppressing" E-V13, how do you explain Kosovo having such high percentages?

In Albania (1,293 samples), E-V13 is 27.6%, once again the most frequent haplogroup. The city-by-city breakdown further exposes your lies: Berat (29.8%), Dibër (21.8%), Durrës (38.1%), Elbasan (25.3%), Fier (15.1%), Gjirokastër (26.5%), Korçë (20.7%), Kukës (31.8%), Lezhë (38.5%), Shkodër (33.3%), Tiranë (34.8%), and Vlorë (20.6%). In Macedonia (136 samples), E-V13 is 19.1% (R1b dominates so far), with Polog at 27.3% E-V13, while Shkup and the southwestern regions remain underrepresented due to a lack of willing test participants. This is a sampling issue, not a bias issue. If you want more E-V13 samples from Macedonia, then fund the tests instead of making ridiculous conspiracy claims.

Then, you say "I am not going to prolong to explain myself further." Translation: "I have no evidence, no sources, and no valid argument, so I’m going to pretend I’m too important to explain myself." That is the ultimate cop-out. If your claims were actually backed by evidence, you would be able to engage with the data rather than run away from the discussion while pretending your points are self-evident. They’re not. You have provided nothing of value. Science is based on evidence, not gut feelings, biases, or conspiracies.

Your entire argument collapses under scrutiny. You have no data, no sources, and no meaningful counterpoints. Meanwhile, Rrenjet has the largest, most detailed dataset of Albanian Y-DNA ever compiled. Anyone can look it up. E-V13 remains the dominant haplogroup. No one is suppressing it. No one is hiding it. The reality is that it is simply not as exaggerated as you want it to be. The problem isn’t the data, the problem is that your ego can’t handle reality. Until you can produce an alternative study with more samples, better transparency, and superior regional precision, your claims remain nothing more than baseless whining, conspiracy theories, and empty rhetoric. Your entire premise is built on paranoia, not verifiable information.

I am J-L283 and for some reason they never responded when I wanted to participate in the project, they never added my results. So I just deleted everything. Waste of money. Might as well claim they are anti J-L283..... FTDNA is not that good, better test with something cheaper if one is going to test.
 
I am J-L283 and for some reason they never responded when I wanted to participate in the project, they never added my results. So I just deleted everything. Waste of money. Might as well claim they are anti J-L283..... FTDNA is not that good, better test with something cheaper if one is going to test.

One of the advantages of FTDNA is that you get a big STR data base and autosomal matches with predicted haplogroups as well there, plus the best combined services for yDNA-testing.
Like I could connect to STR matches and some did eventually upgrade to BigY. Even though most of these testers are not very close to me, they significantly improved the understanding of my branch.
Many of you Albanians know your lineage and clan, or at least have some hints, even if they turn out to be wrong. Most other Europeans have their surnames and everything before their surnames is lost. Therefore we need to screen a wider testing base for closer matches and that's what STR matches are good for in many instances. Autosomal/predicted matches as well of course.

YFull doesn't reflect the spread and diversity of my branch at all, having just a small fraction of testers compared to FTDNA.

There are only a couple of people which have a better representation on YFull, among Europeans the most notable case are the Albanians. Otherwise some Arab people which do general DNA testing anyway (for genetic diseases etc.) and then just upload their raw data.
But nearly all other Europeans have way more testers at FTDNA even if ignoring the STR testers and with the STR testers the data base is even bigger than with BigY. Therefore Albanians always need to go for YFull, many others not really, even though I would recommend it to anybody.
 
One of the advantages of FTDNA is that you get a big STR data base and autosomal matches with predicted haplogroups as well there, plus the best combined services for yDNA-testing.
Like I could connect to STR matches and some did eventually upgrade to BigY. Even though most of these testers are not very close to me, they significantly improved the understanding of my branch.
Many of you Albanians know your lineage and clan, or at least have some hints, even if they turn out to be wrong. Most other Europeans have their surnames and everything before their surnames is lost. Therefore we need to screen a wider testing base for closer matches and that's what STR matches are good for in many instances. Autosomal/predicted matches as well of course.

YFull doesn't reflect the spread and diversity of my branch at all, having just a small fraction of testers compared to FTDNA.

There are only a couple of people which have a better representation on YFull, among Europeans the most notable case are the Albanians. Otherwise some Arab people which do general DNA testing anyway (for genetic diseases etc.) and then just upload their raw data.
But nearly all other Europeans have way more testers at FTDNA even if ignoring the STR testers and with the STR testers the data base is even bigger than with BigY. Therefore Albanians always need to go for YFull, many others not really, even though I would recommend it to anybody.
I saw one Albanian on another forum talking about rrenjet project being shady or something.
 
I saw one Albanian on another forum talking about rrenjet project being shady or something.

Whatever you may say about rrenjet, in negative terms, it still achieved a lot for Albanian yDNA research, by making it one of the best tested groups in Europe, despite being not a rich country or having a lot of genealogical tradition. Just compare the results with Germany or even much worse, Moldova.
Therefore it might have some biases and negative aspects I don't know much about, but this project great achievements are undeniable.
 
Whatever you may say about rrenjet, in negative terms, it still achieved a lot for Albanian yDNA research, by making it one of the best tested groups in Europe, despite being not a rich country or having a lot of genealogical tradition. Just compare the results with Germany or even much worse, Moldova.
Therefore it might have some biases and negative aspects I don't know much about, but this project great achievements are undeniable.
I haven't researched the Albanian subgroups of E-V13 that much, but when I do read about them I see people discussing differences between different locations, North and South, different tribes.

The fact that they have enough samples to do that for such a small country is already a great achievement. Considering there are regions where we barely know terminal SNPs and clusters let alone inner geographic distribution.
 
Whatever you may say about rrenjet, in negative terms, it still achieved a lot for Albanian yDNA research, by making it one of the best tested groups in Europe, despite being not a rich country or having a lot of genealogical tradition. Just compare the results with Germany or even much worse, Moldova.
Therefore it might have some biases and negative aspects I don't know much about, but this project great achievements are undeniable.
Don't really have to say much about them. I agree with what Dibran posted. Seems a bit weird to accuse them of being anti E-V13, that's all... I guess these Daco-Thracian E-V13 enthusiasts aren't satisfied with the 19%-30% E-V13 and were hoping for 50%+ so it can match their ''Proto-Albanoid'' theories. 😁 Anyway, Albanians are a large group of people we are talking millions of people, with many areas undertested, I doubt few hundreds or a thousand samples gives a whole picture but it's better than nothing.
 
Don't really have to say much about them. I agree with what Dibran posted. Seems a bit weird to accuse them of being anti E-V13, that's all... I guess these Daco-Thracian E-V13 enthusiasts aren't satisfied with the 19%-30% E-V13 and were hoping for 50%+ so it can match their ''Proto-Albanoid'' theories. 😁 Anyway, Albanians are a large group of people we are talking millions of people, with many areas undertested, I doubt few hundreds or a thousand samples gives a whole picture but it's better than nothing.

Let's put it that way, Albanians are so good tested that all major branches have multiple NGS-tested individuals by now. The same can't be said about a lot of people. Like I know even English and West German branches of E-V13 which were up to very recent times or still are completely undertested, even though we are talking about large numbers of carriers, based on STR testing and the spread of the specific lineages from a genealogical point of view. That kind of testing frequency, like in Albanians, in a population is an achievement.
Concerning the numbers for Kosovo Albanians, there are conflicting results ranging from 30-50 %. In Kosovo Albanians in particular a lot of the E-V13 frequency is based on big founder events, which makes the exact frequency not as important as it might otherwise be. The total diversity and frequency of E-V13 is huge for a modern population in Albanians in any case.
Personally I'm still wondering whether the main R-Z2103 branch in Albanians came with V13 or L283, or was independently "acquired" on the way. That's still a big mystery from my point of view.
 
Let's put it that way, Albanians are so good tested that all major branches have multiple NGS-tested individuals by now. The same can't be said about a lot of people. Like I know even English and West German branches of E-V13 which were up to very recent times or still are completely undertested, even though we are talking about large numbers of carriers, based on STR testing and the spread of the specific lineages from a genealogical point of view. That kind of testing frequency, like in Albanians, in a population is an achievement.
Concerning the numbers for Kosovo Albanians, there are conflicting results ranging from 30-50 %. In Kosovo Albanians in particular a lot of the E-V13 frequency is based on big founder events, which makes the exact frequency not as important as it might otherwise be. The total diversity and frequency of E-V13 is huge for a modern population in Albanians in any case.
Personally I'm still wondering whether the main R-Z2103 branch in Albanians came with V13 or L283, or was independently "acquired" on the way. That's still a big mystery from my point of view.

The guy you are quoting is a sockpuppet account of 1337/entertain/targaryen and many other sock farm account.

You just do not understand man how things are behind the curtain.
 
Saw this claim here that Nietzsche was E-V13:

 
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