K12b Eupedia Ancient Ethnicities Checker: reliably compare your DNA to ancient populations

(y)
In my case the changes happened in the mixed modes Xway, 7way, 6way, 5way, 4way, 3way, 2way (this one not changed), with some new populations displayed.

Target: Duarte
Distance: 2.8475% / 2.84753984
29.5Bell_Beaker_Iberia_(n=11)
29.2Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)
10.7Swedish_Vikings_(n=23)
8.4EBA_Britain_(n=28)
5.8LBA_Hungary_(n=6)
5.2Early_Medieval_Canaries_(n=5)
5.2Ostrogoths_(n=3)
4.3Chalcolithic_Caucasus_(n=3)
1.7Early_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6)

Target: Duarte
Distance: 2.8399% / 2.83994822 | R7P
30.9Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)
28.7Bell_Beaker_Iberia_(n=11)
20.9EBA_Britain_(n=28)
6.3Ostrogoths_(n=3)
5.1Chalcolithic_Caucasus_(n=3)
4.9Early_Medieval_Canaries_(n=5)
3.2LBA_Hungary_(n=6)

Target: Duarte
Distance: 2.8419% / 2.84191193 | R6P
31.2Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)
29.8Bell_Beaker_Iberia_(n=11)
19.6EBA_Britain_(n=28)
10.3Ostrogoths_(n=3)
4.7Chalcolithic_Caucasus_(n=3)
4.4Early_Medieval_Canaries_(n=5)

Target: Duarte
Distance: 2.9098% / 2.90978853 | R5P
33.4Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)
28.7MBA_Britain_(n=22)
27.8Bell_Beaker_Iberia_(n=11)
5.6Chalcolithic_Caucasus_(n=3)
4.5Early_Medieval_Canaries_(n=5)

Target: Duarte
Distance: 2.9842% / 2.98416423 | R4P
42.7Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)
27.5Bell_Beaker_Iberia_(n=11)
25.2EBA_Britain_(n=28)
4.6Chalcolithic_Caucasus_(n=3)

Target: Duarte
Distance: 3.2280% / 3.22797851 | R3P
49.5Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22)
43.8Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)
6.7MLBA_North_Caucasus_(n=11)

Target: Duarte (not changed)
Distance: 4.6642% / 4.66417136 | R2P
52.4Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)
47.6Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22)


 
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@Torzio,


this is precisely the point, I'm aware that the Martinsicuro woman R1 belongs to a group quite distinct from the Etruscans.
But here the "Villanovan" average is the result of the values of R1 with R1015.

https://www.eupedia.com/genetics/ancient_italy.shtml

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It's therefore not clear to me why the Martinsicuro sample should be included.
Unfortunately, the terms Protovillanovan and Villanovan are more confusing here...


Agree

R1 should be with SZ1 .....late bronze age sample ......................( MTA states this SZ1 as 700AD, which looks all wrong )

If R1 is supposed to be proto-Villanovan...so should SZ1
 
I just added:

- Chalcolithic Caucasus
- Chalcolithic Steppe
- Kura-Araxes
- Maykop
- Catacomb culture

I separated Neolithic Italy into EN Italy, MN Sicily and MN Sardinia.


you should separate your first line of your data as there are 2 samples there


my results........only changes appear below ...................distance did not change


Target: Torziok12b
Distance: 0.5452% / 0.54520574
23.0Lombards_(n=28)
13.3Nordic_Bronze_Age_(n=14)
10.5Minoan_Greece_(n=10)
9.0Chalcolithic_Balkans_(n=9)
8.4Early_Neolithic_France_(n=4)
7.0Kura-Araxes_culture_(n=9)
6.1Corded_Ware_culture_(n=22)
6.0Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4)
5.9Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
3.8Unetice_culture_(n=18)
3.5Chalcolithic_Caucasus_(n=3)
3.5LBA_Hungary_(n=6)



Distance to:Torziok12b
1.3227148238.60% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 61.40% Chernyakhiv_culture_Goths_(n=3)
1.6467907154.40% Bell_Beaker_Netherlands_(n=7) + 45.60% Minoan_Greece_(n=10)
1.7335458339.20% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 60.80% Chernyakhiv_culture_Goths_(n=3)
1.7348581963.00% Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24) + 37.00% Minoan_Greece_(n=10)
1.7772327336.00% Italian_Greeks_(n=2) + 64.00% Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)
1.8434517947.00% Bell_Beaker_Netherlands_(n=7) + 53.00% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)
1.8581616449.20% Bell_Beaker_Britain_(n=27) + 50.80% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)
1.9227454350.00% EBA_Britain_(n=28) + 50.00% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)
1.9957756553.20% Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=15) + 46.80% Corded_Ware_culture_(n=22)
2.0466231513.00% Catacomb_culture_(n=4) + 87.00% Villanovans_(n=2)
2.0715400639.40% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 60.60% Lombards_(n=28)
2.1107900913.20% Yamna_culture_(n=16) + 86.80% Villanovans_(n=2)
2.1284825112.60% Chalcolithic_Pontic_Steppe_(n=3) + 87.40% Villanovans_(n=2)
2.1291194045.80% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4) + 54.20% Chernyakhiv_culture_Goths_(n=3)
2.1636546346.60% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4) + 53.40% Lombards_(n=28)
2.1975436156.00% Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24) + 44.00% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)
2.2319012142.60% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 57.40% EBA_Britain_(n=28)
2.3534704160.20% Bronze_Age_Gaul_(n=31) + 39.80% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
2.3605762156.60% Bell_Beaker_Britain_(n=27) + 43.40% Minoan_Greece_(n=10)
2.4464352848.00% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4) + 52.00% MBA_Britain_(n=22)
2.4730073614.00% Poltavka_culture_(n=8) + 86.00% Villanovans_(n=2)
2.5133465646.20% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 53.80% Unetice_culture_(n=18)
2.5661754146.20% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 53.80% Bell_Beaker_Netherlands_(n=7)
2.5750239052.60% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4) + 47.40% Anglo-Saxons_(n=2)
2.5952361355.60% Early_Neolithic_Balkans_(n=19) + 44.40% Corded_Ware_culture_(n=22)
 
mine hasn't changed much, ... so I’ll compare some Raw-Data instead:

- Salento it's a combination of files I used in this thread,

- 23andme v4 + v5 combined,

- NatGeo

- AncestryDNA

... except for distance, the 2WAY results don't change much:

Top 10s
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"Evidence of Catacomb influence has been discovered far outside of the Pontic steppe. Its burial chambers, metal types and figurines are very similar to those appearing in Italy and the eastern Mediterranean, while the hammer-head pin, a characteristic ornament of the Catacomb culture, has been found in Central Europe and Italy. Based on these similarities, migrations or cultural diffusion from the Catacomb culture to these areas have been suggested.[1] Similarities between the Catacomb culture and Mycenaean Greece are particularly striking. These include types of socketed spear-heads, types of cheekpieces for horses, and the custom of making masks for the dead.[13]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catacomb_culture"

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I would like to see DNA samples on Laterza culture one day.
 
Agree

R1 should be with SZ1 .....late bronze age sample ......................( MTA states this SZ1 as 700AD, which looks all wrong )

If R1 is supposed to be proto-Villanovan...so should SZ1

Yes I agree SZ1 I classified wrongly as Avar from 700 A.D.


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My results:

Distance:

32.70028899 BB_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23)

33.85032644 Western_Scythians_(n=28)

34.01211843 Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)

34.05055359 Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)

35.30625582 Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=13)

35.45073765 Villanovans_(n=2)

35.82748665 Bronze_Age_Gaul_(n=31)

36.02320641 Etruscans_(n=3)

36.10753799 Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)

36.36019389 Ostrogoths_(n=3)

36.42989295 Latins_(n=4)

37.60517119 Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)

37.85482664 MBA_Britain_(n=22)

38.20985475 Chernyakhiv_culture_Goths_(n=3)

38.22042648 Cimmerians_(n=6)

38.46362697 Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24)

38.75082064 EBA_Britain_(n=28)

38.88620321 Bell_Beaker_Britain_(n=27)

39.14861173 Sarmatians_(n=14)

39.56673729 Lombards_(n=28)

39.68824133 Suebi_Alemmani_(n=20)

39.93865922 Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22)

40.50886076 Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4)

40.63620922 Bell_Beaker_Netherlands_(n=7)

40.67283000 LBA_Hungary_(n=6)


Percenteages:

18.43520226 40.80% Early_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6) + 59.20% Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22)

18.49412745 41.60% Early_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6) + 58.40% Bronze_Age_Iberia_(n=44)

19.44807658 45.00% Early_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6) + 55.00% Globular_Amphora_culture_(n=6)

19.46471512 41.20% Early_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6) + 58.80% LBA_Hungary_(n=6)

19.51839899 37.60% Early_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6) + 62.40% Latins_(n=4)

19.52789010 37.20% Early_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6) + 62.80% Bronze_Age_Gaul_(n=31)

20.34474256 37.20% Early_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6) + 62.80% Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)

20.68643409 33.40% Early_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6) + 66.60% BB_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23)

20.78745284 34.80% Early_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6) + 65.20% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)

20.93619627 46.20% Early_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6) + 53.80% Chalcolithic_Iberia_(n=44)

21.14441107 36.00% Early_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6) + 64.00% Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=13)

21.17860239 47.40% Early_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6) + 52.60% Bell_Beaker_Iberia_(n=11)

21.39873767 45.00% Early_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6) + 55.00% Megalithic_Europe_(n=24)

21.40343085 40.80% Early_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6) + 59.20% Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4)

21.51393351 46.60% Early_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6) + 53.40% Neolithic_Britain_(n=62)

21.79978195 36.00% Early_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6) + 64.00% Villanovans_(n=2)

22.03039453 45.60% Early_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6) + 54.40% Late_Neolithic_Switzerland_(n=58)

22.23800865 34.20% Early_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6) + 65.80% Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)

22.25098810 46.40% Early_Neolithic_Spain_(n=8) + 53.60% Chalcolithic_Pontic_Steppe_(n=3)

22.38131126 47.80% Middle_Neolithic_Sardinia_(n=10) + 52.20% Chalcolithic_Pontic_Steppe_(n=3)

22.60622621 47.60% Early_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6) + 52.40% Middle-Late_Neolithic_Spain_(n=12)

22.64439532 36.20% Early_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6) + 63.80% Etruscans_(n=3)

22.88325203 51.20% Chalcolithic_Pontic_Steppe_(n=3) + 48.80% Nuragic_Sardinia_(n=13)

22.90482420 45.40% Early_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6) + 54.60% Middle_Neolithic_France_(n=19)

23.14797200 37.80% Early_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6) + 62.20% MBA_Britain_(n=22)
 
I have spent most of the last week calculating the the average values for the K12b admixtures for most of the ancient genomes tested to date. I thank Jovialis for providing me the genomes converted in the right format to run the K12b on Admixture-Studio. You will find the table in the page Genomic analysis of ancient Europeans. I provided an introduction on how to interpret the K12b admixtures.

The purpose of this page is to provide average values for various ancient European populations, which can be used by anyone who has tested their genome to compare their own admixture with these modals on Vahaduo. Averages for a given (historical or modern) population are more useful and representative than individual results due to the potentially high level of interpersonal variations in a society.

This is a good alternative to MyTrueAncestry. In fact, I have found the K12b admixtures to be considerably more reliable than the genetic distance computed by MyTrueAncestry. For example when comparing the Corded Ware genomes with modern population, K12b gives Poles, Russians and Belarussians as the closest matches to the western Corded Ware (Germany) and Finns, Karelians and Estonians for the eastern Corded Ware. In contrast, the closest matches on MyTrueAncestry were the British, Irish and Dutch for the western Corded Ware, which does not make much sense as it was an R1a-dominant culture and the Brits, Irish and Dutch are all R1b-dominant and descended from the Bell Beaker and Unetice.

I also found many inconsistencies in MyTrueAncestry for the results of Medieval Germanic tribes. The closest match to the 6th-century Ostrogoths were the Swedes and English. Yet the 6th-century Ostrogoths were already mixed with Huns and Balkans people. The K12b admixtures give a more probable match to modern Hungarians, Austrians, Slovenes and Croats.

So if you want reliable ancient matches, I would urge you to trust more Dodecad K12b than MyTrueAncestry.

Thanks for developing.
Feels like going back in time...with Gedmatch!


The result looks neat:





 
(y)
In my case the changes happened in the mixed modes Xway, 7way, 6way, 5way, 4way, 3way, 2way (this one not changed), with some new populations displayed.

Target: Duarte
Distance: 2.8475% / 2.84753984
29.5Bell_Beaker_Iberia_(n=11)
29.2Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)
10.7Swedish_Vikings_(n=23)
8.4EBA_Britain_(n=28)
5.8LBA_Hungary_(n=6)
5.2Early_Medieval_Canaries_(n=5)
5.2Ostrogoths_(n=3)
4.3Chalcolithic_Caucasus_(n=3)
1.7Early_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6)

Target: Duarte
Distance: 2.8399% / 2.83994822 | R7P
30.9Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)
28.7Bell_Beaker_Iberia_(n=11)
20.9EBA_Britain_(n=28)
6.3Ostrogoths_(n=3)
5.1Chalcolithic_Caucasus_(n=3)
4.9Early_Medieval_Canaries_(n=5)
3.2LBA_Hungary_(n=6)

Target: Duarte
Distance: 2.8419% / 2.84191193 | R6P
31.2Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)
29.8Bell_Beaker_Iberia_(n=11)
19.6EBA_Britain_(n=28)
10.3Ostrogoths_(n=3)
4.7Chalcolithic_Caucasus_(n=3)
4.4Early_Medieval_Canaries_(n=5)

Target: Duarte
Distance: 2.9098% / 2.90978853 | R5P
33.4Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)
28.7MBA_Britain_(n=22)
27.8Bell_Beaker_Iberia_(n=11)
5.6Chalcolithic_Caucasus_(n=3)
4.5Early_Medieval_Canaries_(n=5)

Target: Duarte
Distance: 2.9842% / 2.98416423 | R4P
42.7Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)
27.5Bell_Beaker_Iberia_(n=11)
25.2EBA_Britain_(n=28)
4.6Chalcolithic_Caucasus_(n=3)

Target: Duarte
Distance: 3.2280% / 3.22797851 | R3P
49.5Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22)
43.8Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)
6.7MLBA_North_Caucasus_(n=11)

Target: Duarte (not changed)
Distance: 4.6642% / 4.66417136 | R2P
52.4Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)
47.6Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22)



Comparsion: Added penalties (ADD DIST COL, variation from 0 to 2) instead to reduce number of populatios (REDUCE, variation from 2P to 7P) as I have done above.

Distance to:Duarte
6.17150711Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)
6.71266713Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)
10.86048341Etruscans_(n=3)
11.27186764Latins_(n=4)
12.12435978Villanovans_(n=2)
14.05696980Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)
15.13849068Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4)
15.30209790Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)
15.31625933Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22)
15.62434319Bronze_Age_Gaul_(n=31)
15.87606059Bronze_Age_Iberia_(n=44)
16.49046998BB_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23)
16.58959915LBA_Hungary_(n=6)
18.93396947Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=13)
21.80919989Ostrogoths_(n=3)
22.92128923Globular_Amphora_culture_(n=6)
22.94319289Bronze_Age_Sicily_(n=15)
23.82327643Megalithic_Europe_(n=24)
24.01004581Western_Scythians_(n=28)
24.60763906Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24)
25.98923239Suebi_Alemmani_(n=20)
26.16566835Middle_Neolithic_France_(n=19)
26.20060305Late_Neolithic_Switzerland_(n=58)
26.29432258MBA_Britain_(n=22)
26.34415305Lombards_(n=28)


Distance to:Duarte
4.6641713647.60% Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22) + 52.40% Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)
5.1874649022.80% Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22) + 77.20% Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)
5.1962651242.80% Chalcolithic-BB_Sardinia_(n=10) + 57.20% Ostrogoths_(n=3)
5.3588397021.20% Bronze_Age_Iberia_(n=44) + 78.80% Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)
5.5127903382.40% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9) + 17.60% Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)
5.638683108.20% Chalcolithic-BB_Sardinia_(n=10) + 91.80% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)
5.6576975412.00% Chalcolithic_Iberia_(n=44) + 88.00% Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)
5.6600691711.00% Bell_Beaker_Iberia_(n=11) + 89.00% Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)
5.671095855.80% Early_Medieval_Canaries_(n=5) + 94.20% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)
5.716835136.00% Early_Neolithic_Spain_(n=8) + 94.00% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)
5.7183546346.80% Bronze_Age_Gaul_(n=31) + 53.20% Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)
5.731256196.40% Middle_Neolithic_Sardinia_(n=10) + 93.60% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)
5.771762377.60% Chalcolithic_Iberia_(n=44) + 92.40% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)
5.774197476.80% Middle-Late_Neolithic_Spain_(n=12) + 93.20% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)
5.783422556.60% Nuragic_Sardinia_(n=13) + 93.40% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)
5.784795616.80% Bell_Beaker_Iberia_(n=11) + 93.20% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)
5.8032656446.40% Bronze_Age_Iberia_(n=44) + 53.60% Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)
5.808456697.60% Late_Neolithic_Switzerland_(n=58) + 92.40% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)
5.817766727.20% Neolithic_Britain_(n=62) + 92.80% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)
5.8183197013.20% Globular_Amphora_culture_(n=6) + 86.80% Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)
5.823094118.20% Megalithic_Europe_(n=24) + 91.80% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)
5.843597887.20% Middle_Neolithic_France_(n=19) + 92.80% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)
5.9183098210.60% Neolithic_Britain_(n=62) + 89.40% Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)
5.9493541445.20% LBA_Hungary_(n=6) + 54.80% Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)
5.9855083711.60% Megalithic_Europe_(n=24) + 88.40% Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


Target: Duarte
Distance: 6.1715% / 6.17150711 | ADC: 2x RC
100.0Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


Target: Duarte
Distance: 6.0274% / 6.02742278 | ADC: 1x RC
69.0Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)
31.0Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


Target: Duarte
Distance: 4.0408% / 4.04081691 | ADC: 0.5x RC
35.7Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)
33.8Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)
30.5Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22)


Target: Duarte
Distance: 3.3150% / 3.31496719 | ADC: 0.25x RC
43.8Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)
36.6Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22)
15.0Bronze_Age_Gaul_(n=31)
2.6Early_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6)
2.0Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


Target: Duarte
Distance: 2.8481% / 2.84809051
29.9Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)
27.6Bell_Beaker_Iberia_(n=11)
11.1EBA_Britain_(n=28)
8.8LBA_Hungary_(n=6)
6.5Ostrogoths_(n=3)
5.6Swedish_Vikings_(n=23)
5.1Early_Medieval_Canaries_(n=5)
3.7Chalcolithic_Caucasus_(n=3)
1.7Early_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6)
 
Distance to: italouruguayan

11.56324781 Western_Scythians_(n=28)
16.23768764 Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)
16.91561409 Ostrogoths_(n=3)
17.22619517 Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)
17.89198424 Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)
19.14316327 Villanovans_(n=2)
19.54538309 BB_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23)
19.86298819 Etruscans_(n=3)
21.62285365 Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)
22.57669816 Cimmerians_(n=6)
22.99249008 Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=13)
23.95887101 Bronze_Age_Gaul_(n=31)
24.54381592 Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24)
24.58744802 Latins_(n=4)
25.13049741 Chernyakhiv_culture_Goths_(n=3)
25.33739134 Suebi_Alemmani_(n=20)
26.33592983 LBA_Hungary_(n=6)
27.15390580 Lombards_(n=28)
27.68604522 Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
28.13606227 MBA_Britain_(n=22)
28.74993739 Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4)
29.18052433 EBA_Britain_(n=28)
29.95861979 Bell_Beaker_Britain_(n=27)
30.08887336 Sarmatians_(n=14)
30.54951718 Eastern_Scythians_(n=12)

Distance to: italouruguayan

4.53495990 61.00% Etruscans_(n=3) + 39.00% Eastern_Scythians_(n=12)
5.93956569 62.20% Villanovans_(n=2) + 37.80% Eastern_Scythians_(n=12)
6.21140690 33.40% Eastern_Scythians_(n=12) + 66.60% Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)
6.64516574 62.60% Western_Scythians_(n=28) + 37.40% Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)
6.91277201 42.40% Cimmerians_(n=6) + 57.60% Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)
7.13807485 49.20% Bronze_Age_Sicily_(n=15) + 50.80% Eastern_Scythians_(n=12)
7.24714435 38.40% Chalcolithic_Balkans_(n=9) + 61.60% Cimmerians_(n=6)
7.25838844 51.60% Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4) + 48.40% Eastern_Scythians_(n=12)
7.34318874 81.20% Western_Scythians_(n=28) + 18.80% Early_Medieval_Canaries_(n=5)
7.36934549 34.40% Eastern_Scythians_(n=12) + 65.60% Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)
7.63149709 36.40% Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=15) + 63.60% Cimmerians_(n=6)
7.63852939 37.60% Early_Neolithic_Balkans_(n=19) + 62.40% Cimmerians_(n=6)
7.68116789 41.00% Bronze_Age_Sicily_(n=15) + 59.00% Cimmerians_(n=6)
7.73430709 27.80% Bronze_Age_Kola_peninsula_(n=6) + 72.20% Etruscans_(n=3)
7.74037098 34.80% Early_Neolithic_LBK_culture_(n=17) + 65.20% Cimmerians_(n=6)
7.91299903 35.20% Eastern_Scythians_(n=12) + 64.80% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)
8.05265861 35.00% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 65.00% Cimmerians_(n=6)
8.10300523 34.20% Early_Neolithic_Italy_(n=10) + 65.80% Cimmerians_(n=6)
8.15928037 24.20% Bronze_Age_Kola_peninsula_(n=6) + 75.80% Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)
8.17103614 46.40% Chalcolithic_Balkans_(n=9) + 53.60% Eastern_Scythians_(n=12)
8.18346655 53.80% Etruscans_(n=3) + 46.20% Cimmerians_(n=6)
8.18442080 35.20% Middle_Neolithic_Sicily_(n=10) + 64.80% Cimmerians_(n=6)
8.34206969 19.20% Chalcolithic_Balkans_(n=9) + 80.80% Western_Scythians_(n=28)
8.34643522 17.40% Pre-Pottery_Neolithic_Levant_(n=15) + 82.60% Western_Scythians_(n=28)
8.38563698 16.60% Early_Neolithic_LBK_culture_(n=17) + 83.40% Western_Scythians_(n=28)

In my particular case, surely my Native American component skews the results to the east ...
 
2way with “ADD DIST COL 2X” (... others don't work, as of now)

Minoans - W.Scythians :)
VqMgCmy.jpg


... default 2way: Baltic Scandinavia Italian_Greeks
SyjUumL.jpg


 
No change:
Distance to:Angela
6.58167152Villanovans_(n=2)
7.96705717Etruscans_(n=3)
11.89617165Latins_(n=4)
13.13808205Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)
13.49591049Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4)
13.54544942Bronze_Age_Sicily_(n=15)
14.35290215Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)
16.75045373Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)
17.63364682Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)
18.23290981Chalcolithic_Balkans_(n=9)
18.34038713Early_Neolithic_Balkans_(n=19)
20.64124996Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
21.32677660Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=15)
22.45266131Middle_Neolithic_Sicily_(n=10)
23.32025086LBA_Hungary_(n=6)
23.48813956Early_Neolithic_LBK_culture_(n=17)
23.68992824Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)
23.79259339Early_Neolithic_Italy_(n=10)
23.92374344BB_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23)
24.12355281Bronze_Age_Iberia_(n=44)
24.50708673Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3)
25.08354640Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22)
25.38777265Bronze_Age_Gaul_(n=31)
25.73152735Minoan_Greece_(n=10)
25.79494912Western_Scythians_(n=28)
Of course, another way of looking at it is that the Latins were a combination of a population similar to Mycenaeans or Minoans or a similar, farmer heavy Copper Age population (the completely farmer like Parma Beaker), plus something resembling Gauls. No two way admixture results are meant to be taken completely literally, of course. No Northern Italians are descended from Spaniards from Spain during the rule of the Visigoths. That's important to keep in mind.
 
you should separate your first line of your data as there are 2 samples there


my results........only changes appear below ...................distance did not change


Target: Torziok12b
Distance: 0.5452% / 0.54520574
23.0Lombards_(n=28)
13.3Nordic_Bronze_Age_(n=14)
10.5Minoan_Greece_(n=10)
9.0Chalcolithic_Balkans_(n=9)
8.4Early_Neolithic_France_(n=4)
7.0Kura-Araxes_culture_(n=9)
6.1Corded_Ware_culture_(n=22)
6.0Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4)
5.9Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
3.8Unetice_culture_(n=18)
3.5Chalcolithic_Caucasus_(n=3)
3.5LBA_Hungary_(n=6)



Distance to:Torziok12b
1.3227148238.60% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 61.40% Chernyakhiv_culture_Goths_(n=3)
1.6467907154.40% Bell_Beaker_Netherlands_(n=7) + 45.60% Minoan_Greece_(n=10)
1.7335458339.20% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 60.80% Chernyakhiv_culture_Goths_(n=3)
1.7348581963.00% Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24) + 37.00% Minoan_Greece_(n=10)
1.7772327336.00% Italian_Greeks_(n=2) + 64.00% Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)
1.8434517947.00% Bell_Beaker_Netherlands_(n=7) + 53.00% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)
1.8581616449.20% Bell_Beaker_Britain_(n=27) + 50.80% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)
1.9227454350.00% EBA_Britain_(n=28) + 50.00% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)
1.9957756553.20% Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=15) + 46.80% Corded_Ware_culture_(n=22)
2.0466231513.00% Catacomb_culture_(n=4) + 87.00% Villanovans_(n=2)
2.0715400639.40% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 60.60% Lombards_(n=28)
2.1107900913.20% Yamna_culture_(n=16) + 86.80% Villanovans_(n=2)
2.1284825112.60% Chalcolithic_Pontic_Steppe_(n=3) + 87.40% Villanovans_(n=2)
2.1291194045.80% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4) + 54.20% Chernyakhiv_culture_Goths_(n=3)
2.1636546346.60% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4) + 53.40% Lombards_(n=28)
2.1975436156.00% Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24) + 44.00% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)
2.2319012142.60% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 57.40% EBA_Britain_(n=28)
2.3534704160.20% Bronze_Age_Gaul_(n=31) + 39.80% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
2.3605762156.60% Bell_Beaker_Britain_(n=27) + 43.40% Minoan_Greece_(n=10)
2.4464352848.00% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4) + 52.00% MBA_Britain_(n=22)
2.4730073614.00% Poltavka_culture_(n=8) + 86.00% Villanovans_(n=2)
2.5133465646.20% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 53.80% Unetice_culture_(n=18)
2.5661754146.20% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 53.80% Bell_Beaker_Netherlands_(n=7)
2.5750239052.60% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4) + 47.40% Anglo-Saxons_(n=2)
2.5952361355.60% Early_Neolithic_Balkans_(n=19) + 44.40% Corded_Ware_culture_(n=22)

interesting is the new addition to myself of Chernyakhiv_culture_Goths

I have always had some eastern Europe or northern Balkan in my admixture, but never had any Slav .............these Goths are in paper below ( which includes the Friulian Alpine samples from other papers )

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-019-43183-w
 
2way with “ADD DIST COL 2X” (... others don't work, as of now)

Minoans - W.Scythians :)
VqMgCmy.jpg


... default 2way: Baltic Scandinavia Italian_Greeks
SyjUumL.jpg




Western Scythians = Getae Thracians on the Black sea ......anywhere from Moldova , through Romania to northern Bulgaria all along the Black sea
 
No change:
Distance to:Angela
6.58167152Villanovans_(n=2)
7.96705717Etruscans_(n=3)
11.89617165Latins_(n=4)
13.13808205Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)
13.49591049Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4)
13.54544942Bronze_Age_Sicily_(n=15)
14.35290215Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)
16.75045373Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)
17.63364682Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)
18.23290981Chalcolithic_Balkans_(n=9)
18.34038713Early_Neolithic_Balkans_(n=19)
20.64124996Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
21.32677660Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=15)
22.45266131Middle_Neolithic_Sicily_(n=10)
23.32025086LBA_Hungary_(n=6)
23.48813956Early_Neolithic_LBK_culture_(n=17)
23.68992824Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)
23.79259339Early_Neolithic_Italy_(n=10)
23.92374344BB_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23)
24.12355281Bronze_Age_Iberia_(n=44)
24.50708673Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3)
25.08354640Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22)
25.38777265Bronze_Age_Gaul_(n=31)
25.73152735Minoan_Greece_(n=10)
25.79494912Western_Scythians_(n=28)
Of course, another way of looking at it is that the Latins were a combination of a population similar to Mycenaeans or Minoans or a similar, farmer heavy Copper Age population (the completely farmer like Parma Beaker), plus something resembling Gauls. No two way admixture results are meant to be taken completely literally, of course. No Northern Italians are descended from Spaniards from Spain during the rule of the Visigoths. That's important to keep in mind.

Sorry, forgot the one way and two way:

Target: Angela
Distance: 0.9546% / 0.95457195 | ADC: 0.25x RC
51.1Latins_(n=4)
23.8Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)
17.2Villanovans_(n=2)
4.4Kura-Araxes_culture_(n=9)
3.5Chalcolithic_Caucasus_(n=3)


Target: Angela
Distance: 2.5302% / 2.53019522 | ADC: 0.5x RC
73.2Villanovans_(n=2)
26.8Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)

The above two are a little different but it's still majority Bronze or Iron Age Italians with about 20-25% "Mycenaean like".

The two way is basically the same.
Distance to:Angela
1.9207194036.40% Italian_Greeks_(n=2) + 63.60% Latins_(n=4)
2.3720075360.40% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4) + 39.60% Bronze_Age_Gaul_(n=31)
2.5301952226.80% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4) + 73.20% Villanovans_(n=2)
2.6544850480.40% Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4) + 19.60% Chalcolithic_Caucasus_(n=3)
2.7306083019.00% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 81.00% Villanovans_(n=2)
3.0768060058.80% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4) + 41.20% Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)
3.1567804619.20% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 80.80% Villanovans_(n=2)
3.3218766721.20% Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=15) + 78.80% Villanovans_(n=2)
3.4200699958.40% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4) + 41.60% LBA_Hungary_(n=6)
3.4607989649.60% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 50.40% Bronze_Age_Gaul_(n=31)
3.6326434247.80% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 52.20% Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)
3.6606906061.80% Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=15) + 38.20% Chernyakhiv_culture_Goths_(n=3)
3.6910904960.40% Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=15) + 39.60% Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24)
3.7318355153.00% Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=15) + 47.00% BB_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23)
3.7506738936.60% Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=13) + 63.40% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)
3.7539105851.80% BB_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23) + 48.20% Minoan_Greece_(n=10)
3.7688437449.40% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 50.60% BB_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23)
3.8284022140.80% BB_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23) + 59.20% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)
3.8605977762.00% Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=15) + 38.00% Lombards_(n=28)
3.9383294958.20% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 41.80% MBA_Britain_(n=22)
3.9471477371.20% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4) + 28.80% Anglo-Saxons_(n=2)
3.9671204068.60% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4) + 31.40% MBA_Britain_(n=22)
3.9816143466.80% Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=15) + 33.20% Unetice_culture_(n=18)
3.9980175040.80% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4) + 59.20% Latins_(n=4)
4.0618435366.40% Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=15) + 33.60% Bell_Beaker_Netherlands_(n=7)

The 67% Early Anatolian farmer and 33% Unetice Culture is interresting, but bigger distance, of course.
Target: Angela
Distance: 0.9546% / 0.95457195 | ADC: 0.25x RC
51.1Latins_(n=4)
23.8Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)
17.2Villanovans_(n=2)
4.4Kura-Araxes_culture_(n=9)
3.5Chalcolithic_Caucasus_(n=3)
 
Western Scythians = Getae Thracians on the Black sea ......anywhere from Moldova , through Romania to northern Bulgaria all along the Black sea

... by increasing the distances, I got the Golden Man domain and King Minos, lol

... on my normal results, the Baltic Scandinavia and Italian-Greeks combo is kind of “interesting”, ...though there were VK in Puglia, I assume it is Northern Italian related, though I’m the only one getting that combo, ... I don’t know if that is still the case.

edit:

also down the line Jovialis and I both get the Swedish Vikings, that I assume might be kind of related to the Baltic Scandinavian
 
... by increasing the distances, I got the Golden Man domain and King Minos, lol

... on my normal results, the Baltic Scandinavia and Italian-Greeks combo is kind of “interesting”, ...though there were VK in Puglia, I assume it is Northern Italian related, though I’m the only one getting that combo, ... I don’t know if that is still the case.

edit:

also down the line Jovialis and I both get the Swedish Vikings, that I assume might be kind of related to the Baltic Scandinavian


ok

But I think this Goth link for me is for my mtdna ............I have current mtdna matches with Scania and Gotland Sweden plus alpine Italy and Austria...about 50-50 split

I still think our ydna is a northern balkan to black sea plus central european mix ( my opinion )
 
With the updated data...

Maternal Uncle - FTDNA data
Uncle_FTDNA,3.90,0,1.62,0.10,35.16,31.01,0.03,0,4.81,0,23.37,0

Distance to:Uncle_FTDNA
9.29159836Villanovans_(n=2)
12.32132298Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)
12.96923282Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)
13.85721473Etruscans_(n=3)
14.29645760BB_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23)
15.00647527Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)
15.02249979Latins_(n=4)
15.61958706Ostrogoths_(n=3)
16.10063974Western_Scythians_(n=28)
16.69472671LBA_Hungary_(n=6)
17.96275591Bronze_Age_Gaul_(n=31)
19.17189871Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=13)
20.70667767Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)
20.73690430Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24)
21.33879097Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4)
22.42305956Chernyakhiv_culture_Goths_(n=3)
23.06991331Lombards_(n=28)
23.70492987Suebi_Alemmani_(n=20)
25.17092172Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22)
25.25390465MBA_Britain_(n=22)
26.01657549Bronze_Age_Iberia_(n=44)
26.07871162Bronze_Age_Sicily_(n=15)
26.86052494Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
27.19549779EBA_Britain_(n=28)
27.92090794Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)

2WAY

Distance to:Uncle_FTDNA
2.7493155248.00% Unetice_culture_(n=18) + 52.00% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)
3.1328183050.40% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4) + 49.60% Swedish_Vikings_(n=23)
3.3121440244.60% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 55.40% Unetice_culture_(n=18)
3.3406728439.40% West_Europeans_(WHG)_(n=19) + 60.60% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)
3.5862984343.20% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 56.80% Swedish_Vikings_(n=23)
3.8222155336.00% Balkans_HG_(n=43) + 64.00% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)
3.8773009924.80% Kura-Araxes_culture_(n=9) + 75.20% LBA_Hungary_(n=6)
3.9015967922.80% Chalcolithic_Caucasus_(n=3) + 77.20% LBA_Hungary_(n=6)
3.9695196557.60% Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24) + 42.40% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)
4.0855892245.20% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4) + 54.80% Lombards_(n=28)
4.2208141611.80% East_Europeans_(EHG)_(n=10) + 88.20% Villanovans_(n=2)
4.3339237944.40% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4) + 55.60% Chernyakhiv_culture_Goths_(n=3)
4.3866325513.40% Bronze_Age_Estonia_(n=16) + 86.60% Villanovans_(n=2)
4.4403789885.00% Villanovans_(n=2) + 15.00% Iron_Age_Estonia_(n=8)
4.4518100060.40% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4) + 39.60% Medieval_Estonia_(n=7)
4.4608950457.80% Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=15) + 42.20% Iron_Age_Estonia_(n=8)
4.4902480246.60% West_Europeans_(WHG)_(n=19) + 53.40% Minoan_Greece_(n=10)
4.5006193911.80% Neolithic_Ukraine_(n=12) + 88.20% Villanovans_(n=2)
4.5166191164.60% Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24) + 35.40% Minoan_Greece_(n=10)
4.5186016453.60% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4) + 46.40% Nordic_Bronze_Age_(n=14)
4.5645697845.00% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 55.00% Unetice_culture_(n=18)
4.5707070355.60% Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=15) + 44.40% Medieval_Estonia_(n=7)
4.7144988361.00% Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=15) + 39.00% Bronze_Age_Estonia_(n=16)
4.7817858812.20% Baltic-Scandinavia_(SHG)_(n=31) + 87.80% Villanovans_(n=2)
4.7927104111.80% Khvalynsk_culture_(n=3) + 88.20% Villanovans_(n=2)

Again, relatively high distances, as my in-law's. (Compared to my parents' and mine.)
 
I have spent most of the last week calculating the the average values for the K12b admixtures for most of the ancient genomes tested to date. I thank Jovialis for providing me the genomes converted in the right format to run the K12b on Admixture-Studio. You will find the table in the page Genomic analysis of ancient Europeans. I provided an introduction on how to interpret the K12b admixtures.

The purpose of this page is to provide average values for various ancient European populations, which can be used by anyone who has tested their genome to compare their own admixture with these modals on Vahaduo. Averages for a given (historical or modern) population are more useful and representative than individual results due to the potentially high level of interpersonal variations in a society.

This is a good alternative to MyTrueAncestry. In fact, I have found the K12b admixtures to be considerably more reliable than the genetic distance computed by MyTrueAncestry. For example when comparing the Corded Ware genomes with modern population, K12b gives Poles, Russians and Belarussians as the closest matches to the western Corded Ware (Germany) and Finns, Karelians and Estonians for the eastern Corded Ware. In contrast, the closest matches on MyTrueAncestry were the British, Irish and Dutch for the western Corded Ware, which does not make much sense as it was an R1a-dominant culture and the Brits, Irish and Dutch are all R1b-dominant and descended from the Bell Beaker and Unetice.

I also found many inconsistencies in MyTrueAncestry for the results of Medieval Germanic tribes. The closest match to the 6th-century Ostrogoths were the Swedes and English. Yet the 6th-century Ostrogoths were already mixed with Huns and Balkans people. The K12b admixtures give a more probable match to modern Hungarians, Austrians, Slovenes and Croats.

So if you want reliable ancient matches, I would urge you to trust more Dodecad K12b than MyTrueAncestry.

Interesting development.

But I get the impression because the basis is an old calculator it still is kind of rough.

In my case for example the dominant figure is Nordic Bronze Age and Lombard. Besides that the time lapses are thousands of years and the the regions of origin kind of overlapping. The percentages and distances are very changing.....

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