Originally Posted by **Barry Foulks**
According to the FTDNA Howard Project, **Sir Thomas Howard (1443-1524) **,
__Lord High Treasurer, Earl Marshal of England, 2nd Duke of Norfolk, and Earl of Surrey__, was E-M35.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Howard,_2nd_Duke_of_Norfolk

https://www.familytreedna.com/public/howarddnaproject... The Howards are the Premier Dukes and Earls of the Realm in the English peerage, with a fanciful (?) descent from the Mercian Hereward the Wake. Sir Thomas Howard was the father-in-law of Princess Anne of York (a daughter of King Edward IV), the grandfather of both Queen Anne Boleyn and Queen Catherine Howard, and the great-grandfather of Queen Elizabeth I. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_family Attachment 47120

__caspian from anthrogenica anlaysed his y111 __**he was e-v13 for sure **

ok barry thanks i find Y-STR in project FTDNA Howard here's Y-STR result

13 24 13 10 17-18 11 12 12 13 11 31 15 8-9 11 11 26 14 20 32 14-16-17-17 9 11 19-21 16 12 17 19 31-33 11 10 10 8 15-15 8 11 10 8 12 10 0 24-24 18 11 12 12 16 8 11 22 18 12 13 12 14 11 11 11 11 33 15 8 15 11 23 27 19 13 11 12 11 11 9 11 11 10 11 12 31 10 13 18 14 12 11 17 16 20 12 23 13 13 15 23 14 21 18 13 14 17 9 13 11

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The family under Haplgroup **E-M35<V68<M78<Z1919<L618<V13** this Branch european from south east euroup

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**the descendent is snp confirmed as e-m35**

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about the subclade

in y37 marker there can be mistakes in prediction (although unlikely )

**but with 111 str markers it is set on stone**