Free and independent Kurdistan is coming soon.

[Alan]

ALAN

Will you also mention about which side broke the ceasefire?

Sure I will. Do you mean the milion occassions on which the Turkish army started to fire at Kurdish civilians and provoke an attack since the last three years? Or do you mean the joke of an excuse that two racist pro ISIS police officers were killed after year long provocation. Or maybe you mean the time when Turkish state were giving not only ISIS free passage but also weapons despite having a peace process with Kurds?

So this is the Turkish way of peace process. Turkey is allowed to kill Kurdish civilians and suppoert ISIS against them but Kurds should never dare to put up a finger towards Turkish officers. Is that what you try to say?

Don't even start the mind game mate. No one here is going to believe that nonsense that.
And there are dozens of such examples that happened the last three years during the peace process. Don't even try to distract from the main point mate, simply that Turkey is not fighting ISIS but cooperating with them, still!.

All the few alleged attacks on ISIS by Turkey are just reports from Turkish government itself and have no confirmation or what so ever. But all attacks on Kurdish villagers and Kurdish fighters are confirmed by non profit organisations.

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/0...d-documents-prove-turkish-alliance-with-isis/

http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2014/05/syrian-kurdish-mother-killed-turkish-border.html#

http://aranews.net/2015/04/turkish-border-guards-accused-of-violations-against-displaced-syrians/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ft9NU1rDkSQ

 

[Boreas]

18 milion it was 14 milion 20 years ago. The Population of Turkey has grown since than by at least 5-6 mio. Kurds with the higher birth rate surely at least 50% of this.

There is no official race statistic in Turkey. Even BBC says 25 - 35 million in Middle East. They are talking 10 million difference so it is not clear.

I was using current data. However even now some sources say, more then 20 millions. You can take which number you like it.

 

[Boreas]

Sure I will.

You said, you will, but I didn't

Do you mean the milion occassions on which the Turkish army started to fire at Kurdish civilians and provoke an attack since the last three years? Or do you mean the joke of an excuse that two racist pro ISIS police officers were killed after year long provocation. Or maybe you mean the time when Turkish state were giving not only ISIS free passage but also weapons despite having a peace process with Kurds?

about ISIS,

All Western Block supported ISIS as they supported Al-Qaeda in Afghan-Sovvet War.

Don't even start the mind game mate.

No one here is going to believe that nonsense that.
And there are dozens of such examples that happened the last three years during the peace process. Don't even try to distract from the main point mate, simply that Turkey is not fighting ISIS but cooperating with them, still!.

You are the one who act like an angry monkey. Talking from Germany is very easy.

Be mature, think wisely, not from your religious or ethnic perspective.

The area is just battle field of two axis of world, Kurds, Yezidi, Arabs or Turkmens are nothing.

At the begining of the War, West directly supported rebels in Syria. However Turkey tried to make dialog with Assad which is the only good policy of Erdoğan in Syria case.

But sides were in begining of the war so each side wants to fight. Russia blocked every movement. Obama goverment didn't have much power in this time(he gained the election not very easily) and West spent their war wish in Libya, so they chose to feed rebels and hoped that they could handle it.

even they didn't do anything about no-fly zone in Syria wish of Turkey which could prevent massive immigration waves.

Now after the election in 7th June, new goverment can't be set up. During the all this time PKK accused HPD not being enough tough and made aggresive explanations all time and now they broke the ceasefire.

Keep your words for the family of Kurdish who died because of PKK attack in his millitary service.

As a guy who vote for Kurd-Left block in Turkey, I am feeling deep regret. They don't stand a violence when it come from Kurds as they did against state violence, against Erdoğan.

 

[DuPidh]

18 milion it was 14 milion 20 years ago. The Population of Turkey has grown since than by at least 5-6 mio. Kurds with the higher birth rate surely at least 50% of this.

what really matters is not how many Kurds live in Turkey, but how many Kurds live in the areas where Kurds are majority. If let say 3 million Kurds live in Istambul they are simply a statistic because they will not get anything political from what other people in the area have. It also matters how many Kurds want independence or autonomy because I am sure there is a part of Kurdish population that has good life under Turkish regime.
But my guess is that in the areas where Kurds are majority it could be at best 10 million Kurds. You will never take areas where Kurds are less than 50%.

 

[LeBrok]

You said, you will, but I didn't



about ISIS,

All Western Block supported ISIS as they supported Al-Qaeda in Afghan-Soviet War.

Exactly the opposite. We didn't want to engage in Syrian war because we didn't know what opposition to support, ISIS being among them. ISIS are mass murderers, psychopathic leaders, religious fanatics, misogynists, all the West is against. ISIS also declares that the West is their biggest enemy. What support for ISIS you are talking about?
On other hand it seems that Turkey, if not supporting, is rather friendly with ISIS. And this is scary. What are the Turkey's true intentions in Near East?

Al-Qaeda was supported only by US to fight against Soviets, the common enemy. Al-Qaeda was also in their early years when they didn't declare their full intentions and war against the West.

 

[Yetos]

You said, you will, but I didn't



about ISIS,

All Western Block supported ISIS as they supported Al-Qaeda in Afghan-Sovvet War.

That is a big Truth,

when I was saying that DAESH easily found modern military equipment,
while other Arab rabels in Arab spring did not,
when I was talking that Arab spring was a guided action,
nobody believe me,
thank you,
cause at least one more in Forum know many of behind the scenes,
your above state has a big part of truth

 

[Yetos]

@ to all,

Guys Daesh has a second to play,
the SAUDs,
the old king is dead,
and the new one has a health problem,
soon power will pass to a person who is friendly to Mullas,
and already a fitvah has given to him, by what I hear,
soon this war will pass inside Saudis,
and that can bring many problem,

 

[LeBrok]

That is a big Truth,

when I was saying that DAESH easily found modern military equipment

They got it from Iraqi's Army running away or joining Daesh.

while other Arab rabels in Arab spring did not,
when I was talking that Arab spring was a guided action,
nobody believe me,
thank you,
cause at least one more in Forum know many of behind the scenes,
your above state has a big part of truth

Like it is hard to imagine that people want to be free and liberate themselves from Tyrants?

 

[Boreas]

Exactly the opposite. We didn't want to engage in Syrian war because we didn't know what opposition to support, ISIS being among them. ISIS are mass murderers, psychopathic leaders, religious fanatics, misogynists, all the West is against. ISIS also declares that the West is their biggest enemy. What support for ISIS you are talking about?
On other hand it seems that Turkey, if not supporting, is rather friendly with ISIS. And this is scary. What are the Turkey's true intentions in Near East?

Al-Qaeda was supported only by US to fight against Soviets, the common enemy. Al-Qaeda was also in their early years when they didn't declare their full intentions and war against the West.

What a nice pink world :grin:

The Snowden documents contend that British, American and Israeli intelligence created ISIS as “a terrorist organization capable of centralizing all extremist actions across the world,” using a strategy called Hornet’s Nest, designed to “protect Israel.” According to the documents, “the only solution for the protection of the Jewish state is to create an enemy near its borders.”"

http://americanfreepress.net/?p=23265

and also similary all islamist group in Syria didn't attack civils at first.


As per the details released by the Israel’s health ministry, so far some 1,000 Syrians have been treated in four Israeli hospitals. Besides the civilians, some are members of the secular Free Syrian Army rebel group.Israel initially had maintained that it was treating only civilians. However, reports claimed that earlier last month members of Israel’s Druze minority protested the hospitalisation of wounded Syrian fighters from the al-Qaeda-linked al-Nusra Front in Israel.A statement issued by a group of Druze activists accused the Israeli government of supporting radical Sunni factions such as the Islamic State (ISIS).http://www.globalresearch.ca/un-report-israel-supports-syrian-al-qaeda-rebels-including-the-islamic-state-isis/542936

Turkey is not enough big player or enough smart to create a organisation like ISIS.

so STOP LOOKING FOR A SCAPEGOAT

 

[John Doe]

What a nice pink world :grin:

The Snowden documents contend that British, American and Israeli intelligence created ISIS as “a terrorist organization capable of centralizing all extremist actions across the world,” using a strategy called Hornet’s Nest, designed to “protect Israel.” According to the documents, “the only solution for the protection of the Jewish state is to create an enemy near its borders.”"

http://americanfreepress.net/?p=23265

and also similary all islamist group in Syria didn't attack civils at first.


As per the details released by the Israel’s health ministry, so far some 1,000 Syrians have been treated in four Israeli hospitals. Besides the civilians, some are members of the secular Free Syrian Army rebel group.Israel initially had maintained that it was treating only civilians. However, reports claimed that earlier last month members of Israel’s Druze minority protested the hospitalisation of wounded Syrian fighters from the al-Qaeda-linked al-Nusra Front in Israel.A statement issued by a group of Druze activists accused the Israeli government of supporting radical Sunni factions such as the Islamic State (ISIS).http://www.globalresearch.ca/un-report-israel-supports-syrian-al-qaeda-rebels-including-the-islamic-state-isis/542936

Turkey is not enough big player or enough smart to create a organisation like ISIS.

so STOP LOOKING FOR A SCAPEGOAT

That still doesn't clear Turkey from its treatment of the Kurds, its occupation of northern Cyprus, its government's denial of the Armenian genocide and its blunt hypocrisy towards many issues (such as calling the PKK terrorists while at the same time calling Hamas freedom fighters).

 

[Boreas]

That still doesn't clear Turkey from its treatment of the Kurds, its occupation of northern Cyprus, its government's denial of the Armenian genocide and its blunt hypocrisy towards many issues (such as calling the PKK terrorists while at the same time calling Hamas freedom fighters).

Which coutry doesn't act hypocrisily?

Kosova can be independent country but not Abkhazia. One of them supporting by USA, one of them Russia.

Unfortunately, each country faces with own dilemmas

 

[Yetos]

They got it from Iraqi's Army running away or joining Daesh.
Like it is hard to imagine that people want to be free and liberate themselves from Tyrants?

no,

they got it from unprotected military warehouses
when US and Allies left Iraq, they did not took all equipment,
neither sell it neither gave it all to nearby,
they storage it,

DAESh knew where, it was storaged and where was unprotected,
and easily took access and position of that equipment,
we have the oposite strategy of 'burned land'
DAESh found fertile and full grown land when started,
why?
cause they needed DAESH against Hassant of Syrria,
but seems DAESH turn to autonomus


Anyway, rumors here say that the siblings of Prophet will try to restore Prophet's heritage,
meaning that this conflict will soon take bigger dimensions

 

[LeBrok]

What a nice pink world :grin:

The Snowden documents contend that British, American and Israeli intelligence created ISIS as “a terrorist organization capable of centralizing all extremist actions across the world,” using a strategy called Hornet’s Nest, designed to “protect Israel.” According to the documents, “the only solution for the protection of the Jewish state is to create an enemy near its borders.”

"
The Israel already had enemies around their borders, why would they needed more? Besides, cite Snowden documents and not opinions of others.

As per the details released by the Israel’s health ministry, so far some 1,000 Syrians have been treated in four Israeli hospitals. Besides the civilians, some are members of the secular Free Syrian Army rebel group.Israel initially had maintained that it was treating only civilians. However, reports claimed that earlier last month members of Israel’s Druze minority protested the hospitalisation of wounded Syrian fighters from the al-Qaeda-linked al-Nusra Front in Israel.A statement issued by a group of Druze activists accused the Israeli government of supporting radical Sunni factions such as the Islamic State (ISIS).http://www.globalresearch.ca/un-report-israel-supports-syrian-al-qaeda-rebels-including-the-islamic-state-isis/542936

Ok, so now Israel is the West? I thought you meant Europe and US, as the West. I hope you noticed that Obama and Natanyahu are not friends.

Turkey is not enough big player or enough smart to create a organisation like ISIS.

Nobody said that Turkey created ISIS. I'm saying that Turkey sympathetic to ISIS.

 

[LeBrok]

no,

they got it from unprotected military warehouses
when US and Allies left Iraq, they did not took all equipment,
neither sell it neither gave it all to nearby,
they storage it,

They left equipment in Iraq, not in Caliphate.

DAESh knew where, it was storaged and where was unprotected,
and easily took access and position of that equipment,
we have the oposite strategy of 'burned land'
DAESh found fertile and full grown land when started,

They knew it was in Iraq and went there to get it.
why?

cause they needed DAESH against Hassant of Syrria,
but seems DAESH turn to autonomus

No idea what you mean.

Anyway, rumors here say that the siblings of Prophet will try to restore Prophet's heritage,
meaning that this conflict will soon take bigger dimensions

Rumor here is that you believe in rumors.

 

[Yetos]

They left equipment in Iraq, not in Caliphate.

They knew it was in Iraq and went there to get it.
why?
No idea what you mean.


Rumor here is that you believe in rumors.

it is simple
when US left Iraq,
they store military equipment and ammunition in storages,
cause they propably use it in nearby future,
Hasant of Syria, was a pain in the ass to some,
I am not say he is the saint, as I am not saying he is the evil,
all Arab springs succeded except Syria,
so they gave guns to rabels, by allowing them to loot unprotected warehouses
but when they took it they become ISIL/DAESH

about the rumors,
let me have some behind the scenes infos,

 

[Yetos]

Which coutry doesn't act hypocrisily?

Kosova can be independent country but not Abkhazia. One of them supporting by USA, one of them Russia.

Unfortunately, each country faces with own dilemmas

interesting vocabulary,
Are you an Albanian, an Arnaut?

 

[Piro Ilir]

I wonder if Turkey, or Erdogan, is dreaming about taking over ISIS revolution and become new Ottoman/Caliphate empire in Near East. The connection is Sunni religion perhaps? At least Turkey feels some unity with ISIS in this regard.

It's too complicated.
The Sunny religion is divided in different branches. As I know not all the Turks are sunny. There are many different interests. Isn't a huge mess

 

[Piro Ilir]

There is a huge mess

 

[Piro Ilir]

18 milion it was 14 milion 20 years ago. The Population of Turkey has grown since than by at least 5-6 mio. Kurds with the higher birth rate surely at least 50% of this.

Within how many political or groups they are organized. I know PKK, but are there other Kurdish groups? I mean throughout the region, including Iraq, Iran and Syria

 

[Piro Ilir]

Exactly the opposite. We didn't want to engage in Syrian war because we didn't know what opposition to support, ISIS being among them. ISIS are mass murderers, psychopathic leaders, religious fanatics, misogynists, all the West is against. ISIS also declares that the West is their biggest enemy. What support for ISIS you are talking about?
On other hand it seems that Turkey, if not supporting, is rather friendly with ISIS. And this is scary. What are the Turkey's true intentions in Near East?

Al-Qaeda was supported only by US to fight against Soviets, the common enemy. Al-Qaeda was also in their early years when they didn't declare their full intentions and war against the West.

USA supported the mujahideen fighters, not al-Qaeda. Al- Qaeda was founded later. You guys are confusing the periods. Bin Laden was a volunteer in Afghanistan against the Soviets as many others. After the fell of communism Bin Laden and the Egyptian El Zahwairi formed the Al Qaeda.