Politics French elections

What French people want is someone who will improve the economy and get rid of the Muslims.

These sound like reasonable demands :redface:

Apparently FN got a mere 4,99% of the Parisian votes. Makes it difficult to believe that there is a correlation between exposure and FN support.
 
It is just that the Muslims have their preferences which European countries they want to go. France is one of the most popular one. When people are such a big fan of France, (providing they don’t have any bad intentions) I think they love France. They can’t all have bad intentions!

Francophone Muslims go to France and French speaking countries, Anglophone Muslims go to Britian. They attract people from their ex empires for language reasons as a matter of convenience...and not only Muslim ones.
 
Are benefits better in France than in the Scandinavian countries or places like Finland?

Part of the dynamic here is that a disproportionate percentage of the migrants are from the poorest and least educated and most religiously conservative members of their own societies.

I would bet that in France as in other countries the liaisons are between Muslim men and native women.
 
I spoke to my husband about the French election. He thinks the Muslims love the French system not the French. The French system is too generous. They all want to come to France and get a piece of that.

Well, I think it is not completely like that.

I know for a fact that there are some Muslims in France and in Belgium; on the surface they are Muslims, and they insist on their religions and their culture while residing in France or Belgium. However behind closed doors they have sex with French or Belgium men. Yet, to get married that would pose a problem with their families so they ended up breaking up. Now, my question is would you have sex with people you don’t like? Especially with women who come from an upbringing of a modest culture.

I also have some half French half Moroccan or Algerian friends. Their parents are no longer together, and they have no religion. They think they are French and they see themselves as French. So in these situations, their parents were together then they broke up. Are you suggesting that these are all white marriages? There are no sentiments all at, they are only doing that for one reason, to access the French system? Nevertheless, the French accept them as French. They say something like no, Arabs are not French but XYZ, his mum is French. He was born here hence he is French.

They also love French fashion and cuisines. French fashion is very sexy. I would not wear those if I were to visit families in Malaysia for example. My parents would complain on my cleavages. Dressing up in low cut dresses is considered as inappropriate behaviour in countries like Malaysia. So, I have to find clothing that hides my figure if I were to visit there.

In Algeria, where my husband went on vacation once, he saw girls in very short dresses, and yet in France they insist of dressing up in a way that nobody can see who they are talking to. That is much more extreme than how I would dress in Malaysia.

I know a Muslim in Malaysia, he is OK to have meals with the Chinese. He drinks beer, as long as you tell him that this is not beer! He eats pork as long as you tell him that these are not pork!

I know another Muslim lady who told me that some Muslims have lived together before they got married.

The Muslims have changed some parts of the French culture to fit their own, instead of eating pork sausages they eat Merguez for example. Muslims eat French cuisines without the pork. They have localised it to fit their own.

Couscous and tarjin are well accepted by the French. So, the French have been influenced by them too.

Personally speaking, I find the Muslims in France are very hypocritical of their own cultures and their identities. I think they love the French and want to become French. However, not all the French like or accept them in return. Their radical Islamic movements and attacks can be seen as their way of fighting back.

So Le Pen becomes the voice of the French who are angry with the Muslims. “If you don’t behave we will elect her and kick all of you out!” The French exclaimed in their recent election. Le Pen wining the first election is a message from the French telling the Muslims how they feel. It had already happened with Grandpa Le Pen back in 2002.

Unfortunately the person in competition with Le Pen this time is from a new party. Unlike Chirac, he does not have enough people in his party. He needs the members in the French government’s approval for his project. If he cannot get that, even if the French people were to vote for him, he would not be able to implement his plan.
Good post Minty, and a good example not to put all the Muslims in one bag. There are many secular Muslims, or used to be Muslims, who don't look and behave much different than ordinary French. They came to France or West in general, because they love freedom or they are not religious.
However, in the streets we will mostly see the conservative ones, the religious ones and we immediately think that all of the are the same. This is a psychological trick our brain does on us.
Remember, there are lots of moderate Muslims who like Western values. Let's not put all the Muslims or people from Near East of Africa into one bag.
 
Are benefits better in France than in the Scandinavian countries or places like Finland?

Unemployment benefits are surely the most generous in Belgium and France. Historically there was no limit on how long one could be on the dole. According to an EU Commission report, now the limit is 10 years for Belgium, 9 years in France, Spain, Denmark and Finland, 5 years in Sweden, 4 years in Germany, 3 years in Italy and the Netherlands and 2 years in the UK.

The qualifying period for unemployment insurance is the shortest in France (20 weeks). It is one year in most EU countries, including Belgium, Denmark, Germany, Italy, Spain and the UK.

The maximum unemployment benefit is 6900€ per month in France, and the average amount being 1,111€ per month (source). Even with no particular qualification or experience, a childless single person can receive 514€ per month, and a couple with two children 1,079€ (source). Those figures are essentially the same for Belgium.

In contrast, in Sweden the maximum one can get is about 1,100€ per month, which is close to the average in France, or the minimum for a couple with two children.

In the UK, the maximum is about 450£, or about 500€ per month, less than half the French average.

In Germany, a childless single person would get 391€ per month, while a couple with two children would get about €850.

In Italy ,an unemployed worker can expect to be paid 75% of their monthly earnings up to a ceiling of 1,180 € per month (over 6 times less than the French maximum).

In Spain, the minimum benefit is 497 € per month and the maximum is 1087,20 € per month for a single person, but it depends on how long they have contributed to the system, while in France and Belgium it doesn't matter how long you contributed.

Additionally in Belgium and France at least, foreigners are eligible for unemployment benefits as long as they are legal residents (worth mentioning; there are limits to the generosity of the providence state).


In other words, an African immigrant who resides legally in France can claim about 1,100€ unemployment benefits for him and his family after being unemployed for only 4 months, and can continue to get this generous package for up to 9 years. Same in Belgium except they wait a bit longer but get one more year on the dole. In other words they get 120,000€/132,000€ free from the government, and they are not even French/Belgian! No wonder these countries are so popular with lazy immigrants. Add to that how easy it has been historically for anybody from a former French colony to get a visa for France (and oddly enough also Belgium) and you have a better picture of what Le Pen supporters are angry about, especially when these immigrants are Muslim and refuse to adapt to European lifestyle or to adopt European values.
 
Good post Minty, and a good example not to put all the Muslims in one bag.

I think it's more important for French people themselves not to assume that all Maghrebis are Muslim. The most prominent and best adapted Maghrebi immigrants to France are Jewish. This includes singers (Patrick Bruel), comedians/actors (Richard Berry, Isabelle Adjani, Alain Chabat, Dany Boon, Gad Elmaleh, Elie Semoun), directors (Claude Lelouch), TV presenters (Arthur) journalists (the very influential Eric Zemmour), business people (Alain Affelou, the CEO of Canal+ and TV5 Serge Adda) and intellectuals (philosophers Jacques Derrida and Bernard-Henri Levy, former president of the Sorbonne University Georges Haddad, writer Jacques Attali). A majority of French people have no idea that many of them are Jewish, except people with clearly Jewish names like Bernard-Henri Levy (but very few could guess his family is from Algeria). Interestingly, almost all the Jewish politicians in France (and there are many) are Ashkenazi, not Sephardi.
 
If Macron gets elected he'll probably have to cut back on the overgenerous French social security system among other impopular measures in order to get the government budget and the economy back on track. I hope he'll have the stomach and enough support from the parliament to do all that.
The political establishment has left an unsustainable mess they don't dare to clean themselves, afraid as they are to lose popularity.
It looks like at least some of the French voters have understood that.

In Belgium the Walloon socialists are no longer in the present government and a few prudent steps have been taken, but not enough as still traditional parties are part of the government. Still more structural measurements are needed.
All in all the Belgian economy is in a better shape then the French, but Belgium has the burden of a higher government debt due to the overgenerous spending in the past.
Countries like The Netherlands and Germany are having budget surplusses lately.
 
Why this behaviour towards her, man? Plus, I think we should not care about who is Macron's wife, as long as she does not affect his job as a president of France.

Macron needs to change wife. With the grandma he has on his side will be a but of the jokes. In the age she is now must take a lot of pills, and smell old age unless she has a liter of parfume.
 
I think Misty provided a very good analysis regarding the outcomes of the French elections. One thing we should take into consideration is the fact that many young people voted for the far right. This tells us one thing, the younger generation suffers economically, and if left without help, and by that I mean mostly jobs and a better standard of living--by the way, it seems that the younger generations in the US and some European countries are doing much worse than their parents--then the extreme parties might have a chance of winning in the future, especially given that older voters will naturally die.
 
If Macron gets elected he'll probably have to cut back on the overgenerous French social security system among other impopular measures in order to get the government budget and the economy back on track. I hope he'll have the stomach and enough support from the parliament to do all that.
The political establishment has left an unsustainable mess they don't dare to clean themselves, afraid as they are to lose popularity.
It looks like at least some of the French voters have understood that.

This election was historical, not just because two non-mainstream candidates made it to the final, but because the Socialist Party has been virtually wiped out (6% of votes), after being one of the two major political forces in French politics for the last 100 years. If French people vote the same way at the parliamentary elections in June, there won't be any major hindrance to reforming the economy and the unemployment benefits. It didn't matter whether Macron or Fillon won, as long as the Socialists were soundly defeated.
 
I think Misty provided a very good analysis regarding the outcomes of the French elections. One thing we should take into consideration is the fact that many young people voted for the far right. This tells us one thing, the younger generation suffers economically, and if left without help, and by that I mean mostly jobs and a better standard of living--by the way, it seems that the younger generations in the US and some European countries are doing much worse than their parents--then the extreme parties might have a chance of winning in the future, especially given that older voters will naturally die.
I agree, perhaps the most important thing for peaceful society is good economy.
 
Muslims may love France but I really don't think they love the French. French lifestyle and culture this the antithesis of how a good Muslim should live. They are sexually liberated, irreligious, drink wine and eat pork sausages. That's why the tensions run so deeply. The hate and intolerance is mutual. The French orange just afraid of Muslim terrorist. They have experienced Muslim youths burning thousands of cars, verbally or physically assaulting them in the street, and threatening to destroy their liberal values by imposing Sharia law in the country. There is no love either way between the two parties.

Le Pen's mistake was to take an anti-EU stance. If she had been more mainstream for the economy, she could have been elected president. What French people want is someone who will improve the economy and get rid of the Muslims. Le Pen is just not credible for the economy. That's her main weakness.


It is not only Le Pen,
after the Brexit, many peculiar things or ideas took form,

in my country by the time of crisis 'ultra nationalists' take 8%, a % that even they did not expect
and the total nationalists is about 20-23% meaning 12-15% they disagree with ultra-nationalists cause the last ones are American NATO friendly,
and most of Greeks feel indipedent, and anti-American especially after Cyprus case,
so they wait Le-Pen to draw another line, non NAZI, non USA friendly, so to follow her style
in that case they might reach even 36%.
on the other hand, most here vote for reaction and anger a Che-LatinoAmerican left style party and brought it to goverment.
expecting something different by changing,
but even a set referendum result with an odd question did manage to change politicks

that feeling is same to most countries except Germanic and Slavic ones,
they seem to step on more secure ground,
but especially Germanic are panicked by Turks,
results bigger than 65% to YES to Erdogan, means that decades and generations after first, they did not manage to assimilate in their style of life the accepted immingrants

EU is like the 'man on the rope' balancing,
but many believe Le-Pen's dream of a new EU, or of another EU,
the Briezinsky (chess game) plan at Ukraine, set big fire at EU
and the last Balkan situations is like a time clock bomb
soon we will see strange things in Europe
if USA do not change its politics against Russia and Arab spring,
we will see strange things.
 
but especially Germanic are panicked by Turks,
results bigger than 65% to YES to Erdogan, means that decades and generations after first, they did not manage to assimilate in their style of life the accepted immingrants

It is not about the nationality.

Were the Turks in UK and USA assimilated?

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Stop Turkish Assimilation in USA :grin:
 
I agree with your husband.

Well, what can I say you are both European who speak the same languages. Probably you also have similar cultures. He speaks all of the major languages of Switzerland and four more, even used to live there when he was very young because his parents worked there. People with similar culture often see things the same way.

There are always exceptions of course. But as you said yourself some of these Muslims are not Muslim anymore and have no religion. French Muslims having sex or marrying non-Muslims is still quite rare and not at all accepted in the Muslim Community.

Well, I personally don’t think the French should start telling their immigrants when or in what situations they should have sex. Similarly speaking these Muslims who chose to come to France rather than staying in their Muslims countries should not get upset how open minded European live with regards to their sex life. They need to find a common ground, it is called tolerance!

Yes, this is why my Belgian friend never got married. He had several relationships with Muslim women.


Merguez is not French cuisine, it is a Maghrebin import. With the hundreds kinds of pork cured meats in France not just sausages, but ham, salami, saucisson and the like, you cannot fully appreciate French cuisine by cutting out the pork. It's the same for German, Belgian, Austrian, Swiss and North Italian cuisines. Britain and Ireland may be higher on beef, but all these countries have a long tradition of pork products.

Now, I think you should be more open minded than that. In Malaysia, the Chinese foods we eat are very different than the ones they eat over there in China. For example, we don’t eat dogs . Some of them in selected provinces over there do. There are a lot of local vegetables and spices are eaten by Chinese people in Malaysia, who are not known to the Mainlanders.

Here are some,

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I don’t think Muslims have to eat Pork to integrate in French societies. I can understand that ban the Burqua issue… that thread is still going…which page are we up to now….lol

I don’t think the French should make Muslims eat pork then labelled them the other for not eating pork. If they don’t want to eat pork they can choose not to. I know plenty of Australians who don’t like pork.

By that logic, with the fact that pork is a very common food in Chinese cuisine; does that mean the French like the Chinese a lot more? Not necessarily, that recent incident with the French police shooting a Chinese man because he had a pair of scissors in his hand making dinner is an example that shows that French do not necessarily like Chinese more than Arabs. There are culture clashes too between the French and the Chinese, eating pork or not! LOL Of course there are a lot of hidden racism you can't see, and don't get to be on TV. The racism against Chinese is more indirect I think.
 
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All of the above Chinese foods are not eaten in China. Some of the vegetables or seafoods are not found up there. I think when different cultures met, some food cultures can be transformed.

I think it would be too hard in Scandinavia though. @ Angela, I don't think France or Belgium have better welfare than Scandanavia, I think the muslims cannot see themselves living there with that kind of weather or foods.

My father's friend went to Finland once with his family. Once is enough he said, the people are nice and things but there is nothing to eat. They eat things like bear meat, white eagle meat, reindeer meat, and a lot of smoked fishes especially salmon.

I think there are a lot of other people from various cultures who like French foods, the Koreans, Japanese, Chinese, people from various South American countries etc. I had never heard of any of those who like Finnish foods for example.

Wait, now they are showing up....
 
The way it is presented in the news, I forgive you for thinking that Le Pen actually resigned from her party. But that is not what happened. She just resigned as party president, to dedicate herself fully to her role of presidential candidate for France. But she of course still belongs to the Front National Party. Elected French presidents traditionally resign as party leader. That's just a PR stunt to give the impression that she's confident enough that she will win the election. If she loses, she would of course get back control of her own party.

I thought when you were running for the President or Prime Minister for an election you need to lead in your party. Apparently you don't. Ma Ying jiu the ex-Taiwan president had already done that. Well, my bad...with all these fake news going on everywhere...I misread the information...

I think it is not a stunt. I think perhaps she wants the French people not to see her representing her father's party but herself because she claims to be different than her father.

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Here are some more Malaysian Chinese foods that are not eaten by Mainlanders. By your logic, our foods are not Chinese!

I think Murguez is greatly accepted by the French into their cuisines. A lot of French eat taboulé, you can find this salad everywhere in the French supermarket. Culture can be changed by contacts. I dated a Moroccan born French guy before I met my husband. He eats a lot of North African foods, for him those are his foods.
 
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Why this behaviour towards her, man? Plus, I think we should not care about who is Macron's wife, as long as she does not affect his job as a president of France.

Yeah, double standards! In some countries men can marry child brides as young as 6 years old, how do you justify that! Macron and his wife do what they want, they are both adults! It is France, the French are very sexual liberal!
 
Good post Minty, and a good example not to put all the Muslims in one bag. There are many secular Muslims, or used to be Muslims, who don't look and behave much different than ordinary French. They came to France or West in general, because they love freedom or they are not religious.
However, in the streets we will mostly see the conservative ones, the religious ones and we immediately think that all of the are the same. This is a psychological trick our brain does on us.
Remember, there are lots of moderate Muslims who like Western values. Let's not put all the Muslims or people from Near East of Africa into one bag.

Merci beaucoup! I watched a documentary about children with autism in the UAE. It is nice for a change to watch something different about the Muslims. All we see is they are all terrorists and all of them are bad because they are Muslims. I don’t deny there are indeed groups who use women and children to brainwash families to encourage them to become terrorists so that they can be good Muslims. However, not all of them are bad people!
 
I think it's more important for French people themselves not to assume that all Maghrebis are Muslim. The most prominent and best adapted Maghrebi immigrants to France are Jewish. This includes singers (Patrick Bruel), comedians/actors (Richard Berry, Isabelle Adjani, Alain Chabat, Dany Boon, Gad Elmaleh, Elie Semoun), directors (Claude Lelouch), TV presenters (Arthur) journalists (the very influential Eric Zemmour), business people (Alain Affelou, the CEO of Canal+ and TV5 Serge Adda) and intellectuals (philosophers Jacques Derrida and Bernard-Henri Levy, former president of the Sorbonne University Georges Haddad, writer Jacques Attali). A majority of French people have no idea that many of them are Jewish, except people with clearly Jewish names like Bernard-Henri Levy (but very few could guess his family is from Algeria). Interestingly, almost all the Jewish politicians in France (and there are many) are Ashkenazi, not Sephardi.

It's about education and most importantly, the religion.
 
It is not about the nationality.

Were the Turks in UK and USA assimilated?

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Stop Turkish Assimilation in USA :grin:

are there large Turkish communities in the USA?
Erdogan campaigns there where the Turkish population is most dense, Germany, Holland, Belgium
he fills them with some kind of fascist pride and tries to export the controversy and divide that is within Turkey to those countries
and so he prevents assimilation, which should be the duty of every one living in a host country (upto a certain level)
 

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