Hitler's Y-DNA?

1)But it was more political than rasist, because Gorals are mostly in dinaric type :LOL:
And only few of them have interest in that proposal called Gorallenvolk.

2)After the war, most of them were kill for treason.

1)The Moravian Vlachs.
Note:even the Devil is Dinaric.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/06/Valach_1787.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkbus8kihEo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=306tgCa4zaA


Vlad:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:VladOriginal.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Vlad_Tepes_002.jpg


Seriously now, they are "devils" only in the innocent way;as you said it ,they got caught in this shit.



2)Of course they were killed,but now they're fine,right?

According to the Polish historians there were over 500 Vlach villages in 1600, spreading along the S(Carpathian) Poland,using Lex Antiqua Valachorum.
They settled in the 12th century,coming mostly from Transylvania ,but also from Hungary,because the Polish royalty knew very well of their bravery and used them as border guards.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vlach_law
 
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No, 150,000 "Jews", as defined by the Germans, did not serve in the German forces, even if you accept Professor Riggs' conclusions at face value. They would have been Mischlinge of one degree or another.

The exact definitions and standards can be found in the sources cited below. Generally speaking, if you were 1/2 Jewish and had ever participated in Jewish communal life or even if you had converted but had married someone who was Jewish, you were still a Jew and subject to all the persecutions that would follow. Half Jews who were converts married to non Jews and one quarter Jews were mishlinge of one sort or another. Of course, the Nazis never let racial purity stand in the way of money, so you could bribe your way out in certain instances.

See Wiki article on Mischling:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mischling

Mischling Test:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mischling_Test

See also:
http://www.owlnet.rice.edu/~rar4619/nuremburg.html

There were only about 200,000 Mischlings in total in Germany according to some estimates I've seen, which would include women, children, and men above conscription age, so how could 150,000 "part Jews" in total have served? If the number is accurate, perhaps it also contains crypto Jews and perhaps also people with 1/8 or even less Jewish ancestry.

See article on Bryan Mark Riggs:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bryan_Mark_Rigg

"Other scholars, like Richard J. Evans, history professor in Cambridge, and Omer Bartov, history professor at Brown University, consider the titles of Rigg's books, such as Hitler's Jewish Soldiers, misleading, because the books are not about Jews as the term is commonly understood, but in almost all cases about Mischlinge ("half-"Jews and "quarter-"Jews) as defined by the Nuremberg laws but not according to Jewish religious law.[13] The few exceptions, like Shlomo Perl (see above), were crypto-Jews hiding behind 'Aryan' assumed identities."

Even half Jews who had ever participated in Jewish communal life, or even half Jews who were converts but had married a Jew, were classified as Jews for the purposes of the Nuremberg Laws.
 
What you mean is that at least 150,000 Jews fought in the Wehrmacht? That is partially accurate, at least a 150,000 soldiers in the Wehrmacht had partial Jewish ancestry, but no more than half, only 1 or 2 grandparents, the full Jews or those with 3 Jewish grandparents were kicked out of the army by 1935, with the institution of the racial laws.

Something like that, but depending how and who define jewishness
they probably all were (in some definition) viewing as a pure jews.
But for nazis, if it was necessary, they could be 100% jew in one
night and go to extermination.

According to the Polish historians there were over 500 Vlach villages in 1600, spreading along the S(Carpathian) Poland,using Lex Antiqua Valachorum.
They settled in the 12th century,coming mostly from Transylvania ,but also from Hungary,because the Polish royalty knew very well of their bravery and used them as border guards.

This is probably to much general saying.
Villages established according to vallachian law, doesn't mean that they were vallachian as ethnicity.
Most of them were probably ruthenian, polish and in some cases could be even german.
But of course, some of them were vallachian too.


I'm not suggesting this is accurate, the Nazis got many things wrong for political reasons. Another good example was when they claimed the Croats weren't Slavic but Germanic or Iranic because they were on the side of Germany.

But better case was with Japans, Hindu and muslims...:)
 
This is probably to much general saying.
Villages established according to vallachian law, doesn't mean that they were vallachian as ethnicity.
Most of them were probably ruthenian, polish and in some cases could be even german.
But of course, some of them were vallachian too.

Fair enough,the Vlachs were not the only inhabitants of the area.
Still,this figure(the article clearly states,"Romanian villages") is quite impressive.

"Pe la 1600, actele poloneze aminteau existenta a peste 500 de sate romanesti"

http://www.gazetademaramures.ro/goralii-poporul-pierdut-7684

Translation:"The Polish papers from 1600 recorded over 500 Romanian villages..."
 
They have to find his DNA. Napoleon's nephew was allegedly the product of adultery. His brother was cuckolded. Napoleon is believed to be an E but his alleged "patrilineal" nephew is an I.

E is not Jewish. The original Jews were allegedly Canaanites who were likely a J dominated people. Both Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews are J haplogroup dominant.

IJK haplogroups are all closely related. They lack the DE mutations found on isolated Indian Ocean/Pacific Islanders and E haplogroup Africans.

The original African belonged to the A and B haplogroups. C haplogroup ended up in Asia and mutated. Those with the DE "YAP" mutations migrated back to Africa and became dominant.

Those with the IJK mutations share a male common ancestor they do not share with DE males.

DE males were off doing their own thing while IJK were doing their thing in Eurasia. Then the K haplogroups from IJK went all over the world. The K haplogroups spread into western Europe, East Asia, and the Americas. The K haplogroups are the most global.

Where did E's among Jews come from? Assyrians and Middle Eastern people were notorious for taking slaves and kidnapping people. One common practice of agricultural peoples was domesticating animals and enslaving people. All through Eurasia, slavery was common. Mesopotamians did it, Chinese did it, Japanese did it. The Q haplogroup dominated MesoAmericans enslaved people in the Aztec, Mayan, and Incan civilizations.

The E1b1b could have been indirectly bred into prominence in North Africa by Eurasian invaders. The E1b1b could have been the descendents of African men who
adapted to Eurasian invaders and managed to find a niche in the imported Eurasian world either by surviving slavery or getting good enough at what Eurasians did.

The Jews are not the only ones with populations of E haplogroup males. They're found in pockets in Europe. The highest concentrations are found among populations in Kosovo and Greece where they could be above 30% of all males. Hitler could be descended from a minority amongst Kosovars if he was an E.
 
They have to find his DNA. Napoleon's nephew was allegedly the product of adultery. His brother was cuckolded. Napoleon is believed to be an E but his alleged "patrilineal" nephew is an I.

E is not Jewish. The original Jews were allegedly Canaanites who were likely a J dominated people. Both Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews are J haplogroup dominant.

Cananites covered an area from Modern Lebanon down to present day Israel. What gives you the idea that there were no E haplogroups at the time? Natufians inhabited the area prior to other civilizations that were formed later absorbing peoples that were already in the area for thousands of years before


Where did E's among Jews come from? Assyrians and Middle Eastern people were notorious for taking slaves and kidnapping people. One common practice of agricultural peoples was domesticating animals and enslaving people. All through Eurasia, slavery was common. Mesopotamians did it, Chinese did it, Japanese did it. The Q haplogroup dominated MesoAmericans enslaved people in the Aztec, Mayan, and Incan civilizations.

No need to think slavery all the time. Its most probable that E haplogroup was in the area before anyone started some kind of slave trade. You need to become familiar with timespans and time of haplogroups mutations to be able to compare with archelogical evidense and written history ;)

The E1b1b could have been indirectly bred into prominence in North Africa by Eurasian invaders. The E1b1b could have been the descendents of African men who
adapted to Eurasian invaders and managed to find a niche in the imported Eurasian world either by surviving slavery or getting good enough at what Eurasians did.

Slavery again?

The Jews are not the only ones with populations of E haplogroup males. They're found in pockets in Europe. The highest concentrations are found among populations in Kosovo and Greece where they could be above 30% of all males. Hitler could be descended from a minority amongst Kosovars if he was an E.

Well some Kosovars could have migrated to other parts of Europe some 7000 years ago :). Kosovo is a name given for a region created by the Ottomans in the 1800's for a plain that was known with the same name.

You are making too many illogical assumptions. Get to know more about the subject, there is much more to learn ;)
 
Ahahah that video is wonderful

 
Ahahah that video is wonderful

Haha it is a good one. However (bit out of subject I know) this is my favorite from the funny series of vids.


:grin:
 
Here is a link about it...it's really good.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europa_Europa

I don't know if this will work for you...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqMBNCo7LPE

The Nazis classified Slavs as subhumans. Plans had been drawn up to exterminate them once they finished with the Jews and other "undesirables".

Part of their stated goal was to take all of that farmland so that Germans could expand in terms of population. The Fascist powers in general were big on increasing the birthrate, which had already begun to fall in Europe.

It's true, as John Doe said, that exceptions were sometimes made for blonde, blue eyed Poles. It just goes to show they really understood nothing about genetics.

They did have some rudimentary idea about autosomal Dna sort of "washing out" after a certain amount of time. I think the cut off in most cases for Jewish ancestry was that you were considered a Jew if one of your grandparents was Jewish.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mischling

So theoretically, I suppose, if you were 1/8 Jewish you could live. If you were 1/4 Jewish, blonde or not you died. Ironically, as we know from all the work done at 23andme, in the case of Ashkenazim, you can still see the signature even at 1/32, because they were so bottlenecked.

Weren't there rumors that Reinhard Heydrich had a Jewish great grandparent? It actually wouldn't surprise me at all. I know a lawyer of German Jewish descent who looks like his doppelganger. He also comes from a very musical family. The physical similarity has been pointed out to him, much to his dismay.
166px-Bundesarchiv_Bild_146-1969-054-16,_Reinhard_Heydrich.jpg


Anyway, I still don't think Hitler would have been pleased with his yDna haplogroup designation. We know a lot more about Dna nowadays, and I've still seen racist comments about E-V13 bearers. Some kinds of lunacy refuse to die.

There were rumors about Heydrich being part Jewish.
 
There were rumors about Heydrich being part Jewish.
True, whether or not twas the case, it explains his fanatical brutality, so much so that after his assassination by British trained Czech agents, the operation which saw the mass deportation to Treblinka was named "Aktion Reinhard" in his memory.
 
True, whether or not twas the case, it explains his fanatical brutality, so much so that after his assassination by British trained Czech agents, the operation which saw the mass deportation to Treblinka was named "Aktion Reinhard" in his memory.

Didn't know that. Interesting. He was brutal though. Very Anti-Semitic and one of the major players in the final solution as he attended and was the head of the Wannsee conference.
 
there Difference between a Nazi and new nazi

new nazi Based on racism nothing else

And ye all the information you take from enemies of Hitler

Filled your heads of the information false

The man has errors such as other

But informative article could benefit from his enemies

Talk about the colors does not help with Hitler

Italy was the ally

Russia was an enemy
 
there Difference between a Nazi and new nazi

new nazi Based on racism nothing else

And ye all the information you take from enemies of Hitler

Filled your heads of the information false

The man has errors such as other

But informative article could benefit from his enemies

Talk about the colors does not help with Hitler

Italy was the ally

Russia was an enemy
You must have most sever form of ADHD ever. It seems you can't keep attention long enough to finish a decent sentence. Never mind sentences creating a logical argument. I doubt that anyone understood your point. Try again.
 
You must have most sever form of ADHD ever. It seems you can't keep attention long enough to finish a decent sentence. Never mind sentences creating a logical argument. I doubt that anyone understood your point. Try again.

lol this is true.
 
Cananites covered an area from Modern Lebanon down to present day Israel. What gives you the idea that there were no E haplogroups at the time? Natufians inhabited the area prior to other civilizations that were formed later absorbing peoples that were already in the area for thousands of years before


No need to think slavery all the time. Its most probable that E haplogroup was in the area before anyone started some kind of slave trade. You need to become familiar with timespans and time of haplogroups mutations to be able to compare with archelogical evidense and written history ;)



Slavery again?



Well some Kosovars could have migrated to other parts of Europe some 7000 years ago :). Kosovo is a name given for a region created by the Ottomans in the 1800's for a plain that was known with the same name.

You are making too many illogical assumptions. Get to know more about the subject, there is much more to learn ;)



The E haplogroup is characterized by their YAP mutations which are found in the DE macro-haplogroup. Most populations with a high percentage of E or D y-chromosomes live in Africa and Indian ocean. A percentage of Ainu and some people deep in the mountains of Tibet have these mutations, too.

The E haplogroup is rare outside of Africa and Island populations south of Asia in the Indian ocean. The ancestor of most E haplogroup peoples were likely adapted to hotter, humid climates, and possibly aquatic lifestyles.

Why do I think that slavery was possible?

The E haplogroup is not found deep in Central Asia where the origins of civilization likely sprouted. Y-haplogroups with YAP mutations are not found in high concentrations where wolves were first domesticated and where the earliest crops were domesticated in Asia.

People in central Asia could have evolved aggression to other hominids and humans because of their proximity to Neanderthals and other large hominid species.

Would a group of Eurasians who settled in ancient Canaan and had with them dogs, crops, and aggression integrated a population of E haplogroup peoples they probably couldn't communicate with?
 
The E haplogroup is characterized by their YAP mutations which are found in the DE macro-haplogroup. Most populations with a high percentage of E or D y-chromosomes live in Africa and Indian ocean. A percentage of Ainu and some people deep in the mountains of Tibet have these mutations, too.

The E haplogroup is rare outside of Africa and Island populations south of Asia in the Indian ocean. The ancestor of most E haplogroup peoples were likely adapted to hotter, humid climates, and possibly aquatic lifestyles.

Why do I think that slavery was possible?

The E haplogroup is not found deep in Central Asia where the origins of civilization likely sprouted. Y-haplogroups with YAP mutations are not found in high concentrations where wolves were first domesticated and where the earliest crops were domesticated in Asia.

People in central Asia could have evolved aggression to other hominids and humans because of their proximity to Neanderthals and other large hominid species.

Would a group of Eurasians who settled in ancient Canaan and had with them dogs, crops, and aggression integrated a population of E haplogroup peoples they probably couldn't communicate with?

Please use the search engine for yDna "E". It has now been found in Neolithic Europe.
 
Please use the search engine for yDna "E". It has now been found in Neolithic Europe.

What exactly am I looking for? Neolithic is period between 10000BC and 4000 BC. That doesn't mean much. They would have encountered populations from Asia having dogs, goats, wheat, legumes, and oxen who they couldn't speak to and were thirsty to claim land.

These populations may not have been integrated but wiped out by aggressive Eurasians.

I'd like to believe there was ancient altruism but ancient peoples were kind of violent.

EDIT:
Found an article here in Eupedia. E haplogroup y-chromosomes are not found in Neolithic farmers. There is an entry about some G haplogroup farmers integrating a small populations of E haplogroup males in Italy but they did not belong to E1b1b. These integrated male lines could have gone extinct.
 
I'd like to believe there was ancient altruism but ancient peoples were kind of violent.
Have you been on vacation when they taught First and Second WW, or Soviet Revolution, or Chinese or Khmer Rouge, or recent Uganda or ISIS terror etc. We are so peaceful, not alike the ancient barbarians.
EDIT:
Found an article here in Eupedia. E haplogroup y-chromosomes are not found in Neolithic farmers.
So articles were written few years ago, now we found it. Perhaps you want to argue recent scientific papers about their mistake?
Please read them and spend few days re-evaluating your wiled hypotheses, then we can talk again.
 
Have you been on vacation when they taught First and Second WW, or Soviet Revolution, or Chinese or Khmer Rouge, or recent Uganda or ISIS terror etc. We are so peaceful, not alike the ancient barbarians.
EDIT:
So articles were written few years ago, now we found it. Perhaps you want to argue recent scientific papers about their mistake?
Please read them and spend few days re-evaluating your wiled hypotheses, then we can talk again.

Okay. Where are these papers?

Can anyone provide link or reference? From what I've been reading it was haplogroup G that had a dominant presence in neolithic times.

In ancient times slavery was the norm. Farmers were territorial, they still are. Throughout history agricultural peoples have treated hunter-gatherers as pests. Ancient times were brutal. Mesopotamians had slaves. In the earliest records of mankind, slavery was being documented.

Lots of people are defensive about the E haplogroup y-chromosome issue.

E1b1b is apparently did not develop from E haplogroups that could have been present in Neolithic Europe.
 

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