Garrick, I agree with you. There have been several waves of migration R1a1 and I2a Din to the Balkans. The last Slovenian DNA work from 2014 talking about that. The last wave was with the Slavs and was not as massive as previously thought.
Besa, nation in the Western Balkans are religious (primarily) and political structures created at beginning of the 19th century. What is White Serbs and White Croats? That's nonsense created by the nationalist historiography to promote the theory of blood and soil. Genetics says another. If you take ten most important families of Serbs, Croats and Bosniaks in Herzegovina and follow their genealogy in the last 500 years, we will come to one tribe or one mountain village (katun ili džemat). That is the real reason for the high concentration I2a Din in the Herzegovina.
If there have been different waves, it fits with the goth theory... they came in many waves.
it is recent immigration to the balkans. This explains why Albanians are low in both, i2adin and r1a, particularly Gegs (north-albanians) because when these immigrations happened they fled to the mountains. North-Albania/kosovo (Rugova mountains, drenica mountains) area are mountanious lands... you should see where people live, there are villages/towns in the mountains of north-albania.
If i2a is illyrian explain why its lower in Serbia area while peaking in Croatia and bosnia? allot of those tribes were not even illyrians, like the liburnians. there lived illyrians in south serbia too, how come lower i2a there? how come so low i2a around dardania? if its thracian/illyrian? how come so many slavic countries exist and all are high i2a and r1a? but at the same time they have EV-13 and j2?
I already showed you the document Albanian-Romanian-Aromanian-Dacian connection, allot of those words are thrako-illyrian too. scroll down, you'll see most words are from dacian/thracian. does south slavic have these connections? These are not coincidence. Both you and garrick are just making excuses. How it of loaned from Romanian? the origin is dacian, that means albanians were neighbors of dacians if they loaned, and we all know thracians and dacians were the same people, living next to related illyrians, in dardania there lived illyrians, thracians, and celts... all majorly kosovar albanian haplogrups, r1b, ev-13, j2...the proto serbs and proto croats is a historical fact recorded even by the Romans. its already been posted. Even most scholars agree Albanian language is either from Illyrian or Thracian-Dacian.
Actually genetics say i2adin came to the balkans ca, 2000-1400 years ago with the 2nd slavic immgiration. thats why this thread exists, there is historical proof.. while some insist it's illyrian/Thracian, which its not, or else Albanians would be higher. every other south slavic nation is high i2a and r1a except for Albanians because they fled these immigrations. The romanians and vlachs are high i2a because they came in contact with people around the carpathian mountains carrying i2a, other than that there is not much difference between Albanians and other people, except they less of slavic associated genes.
look at EV-13 it's spread across the balkans, with least in north croatia where the proto croats settled. You tell me how it got there? I can tell you, it was there during roman empire when i2a din came.
Not thracian-dacian not illyrian... you tell me where Albanians came from? Even Albanian mythology is close to thracian and illyrian, and both of these are close to ancient greek, same is Albanian. Same is allot of costumes and culture that Albanians share with ancient greeks. everyone knows illyrians and thracians lived next to greeks.
Have you seen how Albanians wear a white hat, egg shaped? this hat is from ancient balkanic times. used both by ancient greeks, dacians, illyrians, thracians, phrygians...
Its like you're trying to make up a non-balkanic origin of Albanians when they are more ancient than south slavs, there is a reason why you speak slavic. Albanians have more to do with the balkans. there are two languages today considered ancient balkanic, its albanian and greek.. only connection i see with south slavs is the claim of i2a, and some pyramid in bosnia, probably created by proto-albanians.... so all dacians, thracians, illyrians carried i2a? illyrians only carried i2a? then i2a would be much higher all around balkans, even albanians.. its non existent in Gegs, both i2a and r1a, slavic associated genes, so where did Gegs come from? Mars? Jupiter? some avoided these immigrations, while many were asimilated around montenegro area, where E is high.. Please stop lying to yourself and admit the truth. its highest peak is in croatia and bosnia where proto serbs and croat settled and in carpathian mountains, the spread of i2a across balkans comes from slavic immigrations and the serbian empire.
As I said before the r1a and J2 in Romanians and vlachs is from contact with people around the carpathian mountains and north of the romanian border. there lived balto-slavs, sarmatians/scythians, goths, etc..
The split between Gegs and Tosks preceeds the slavic immigrations, so they lived in the same area... meaning they don't have different ''origin''... the higher i2a in some comes from slavic immigrations/Serbian empire.
