Illyrian-Albanian Continuity

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ALBANIANS (SHQIPTARS) and their language are an artificial creation. Settlement of Albanians in Macedonia Historical evidence shows that the first Albanians in Macedonia began to migrate even more intense after the mid-18th century. According to the Ottoman census of year 1430-1431, in Macedonia there was Albanians. Already by the mid-15th century, with the conversion of Albanians in a minority they started coming in Macedonia as Turkish soldiers and mercenaries, but in a very minor number. The Ottoman census of year 1452-1453 are only 32 Albanian families recorded on the territory of Macedonia, 31 family vilayet Kalkandelen (nest) and 1 Catholic family in Skopje. These Albanians have mostly been Islamized and Ottoman authorities blaming as ARNAUTS or Arbanasi, as could differ from indigenous. The census in notepads, Ottomans personal names Albanians added the "Arbanasi" or "Arnaut" to distinguish them from the natives, that there were no adjectives for nationality. Ottoman census of year 1467-1468, the notes only 84 Albanian households on the territory of Macedonia and recesses in the following: Census year 1467-1468 Vilayet Kalkandelen (nest) 20 households Vilayet USKUP (Skopje) 2 households Vilayet Pirlepe (Prilep) 10 households Vilayet Kjiprjuli (Veles) 3 households Nahiya Krchovo (Kicevo) 7 households Nahiya Mariovo 1 household Nahiya Manastir (Bitola) 41 household Source: TDIMN. ODM, t. III, p. 35-143 (Vilayet Kalkandelen), p. 150; TDIMN. ODM, t. I, p. 197-199; TDIMN. ODM, t. II, s.139-271 (nahiя Monastery), p. 271-485 The first six Albanian villages in Macedonia Albanians came to the borders of Macedonia in year 1572. Frenchman Philippe Kanaje described the capture of Kačanik by some as personally wrote "Albanian groups of killers and thieves" in year 1572. (Frankish Travel to the Balkans, s.140). In year 1595 for the first time in recorded history a den of Albanian gang robbed a few Poloski villages and many villagers wounded and killed. (J. Trifunoski, nest, p. 38). Under Ottoman document from year 1597, about 10,000 Albanian-robbers of northern Albania, robbed and burned 27 villages in western Macedonia, and in 6 of these villages, in Debar area, settled Albanians for the first time in Macedonia. (Sopova, MD. Quoted. Sъch., P. 83). So, the first settlement of Albanians in a Macedonian village occured 3 years before the 17th century and it was in the Debar. Albanian settlement in Skopje area The Ottoman document from year 1595 first noted the presence of "predatory arnaut groups" in the Skopje area, but no Albanian settlement. (Sopova, MD. Quoted. Sъch., P. 78-79) Albanians began to gradually conquer the high mountain villages of Macedonia Skopje Montenegro, even at the end of the 17th century. (Materials, 536. / "ARNAUTS" Vasil Kъnchov, "Makedoniя. Etnografiя and statistics" (v. 11 cards), published Bъlgarskoto Literary druzhestva c Sofia, 1900 Chastna pъrva. Peoples c Makedoniя. Arnauts., P. 83-100 ). Albanians first occupied the highest villages in Skopje Macedonian Montenegro area and then gradually got down to the lower villages. The village of Brest was until the 19th century pure Macedonian village and in the village Luboten Albanians entered in the late 18th century. (Vasil Kъnchov, "Makedoniя. Etnografiя and statistics" Chastna pъrva.Narodi c Makedoniя. Arnauts., P. 83-100). German traveler Han in the second half of the 19th century visited the Albanian villages in Skopje Montenegro area. The Albanians themselves informed that they moved in Skopje northern mountains after Austrian wars, and that's the end of the 17th century. (Hahn, Reise von Belgrad nach Salonik, Wien, 1868th p. 70). By the 20th century, the flower Black Peak settled Albanians in 21 Macedonian villages. They came from Kosovo during the 18th and 19th centuries, and residents of Aldinci know that their ancestors came to Aldinci of Gnjilane. (Material, p. 523rd / Vasil Kъnchov, "Makedoniя. Etnografiя and statistics" Chastna pъrva. Peoples c Makedoniя. Arnauts., P. 83-100). The first field units Albanians descended even into the 19th century, during the management of Hamza Pasha, an Albanian, who gradually settled Albanians of northern Albania. (J. Trifunoski, Skopje Polje, 358). Albanian settlement of Nest Early Albanian settlement that occupied the Nest, started from the middle of the 18th century. However, at that time they were a very small minority group in the Nest, Until the first half of the 19th century, when the Nest was Albanian ruled by Abdurrahman Pasha, was violently and mass inhabited by Albanians from northern Albania. (J. Trifunoski, nest, s. 71-74) Much of the indigenous Macedonian population in Nest, was violently albanized, whole generation were albanized, and many women and girls under the pressure of Tetovo Albanian pashas and their oppression. (J. Trifunoski, nest, p. 38-39, 50-51) The same happened with Kichevija, where most of them are actually of Albanian Macedonian origin. Therefore, we can say that the Albanians in Macedonia are Macedonian brothers. Albanians from s. Tearce were inhabited by the Tetovo pashas, ​​the Mat, Lower Debar and Prizren, the Albanians.from s Dobroshte came from Debar and Luma. In s.Dlabochica, s.Strazha and s.Kultino Albanians come from Dukachin Luma. The last village, Abdurrahman Pasha in the early 19th century expelled Macedonians and Albanians settled (material (Sofia), 437, 439, 446-447). In Zhedenskata area until the early 19th century Macedonians lived exclusively, but later the Albanians to migrate there from Rech and Dolni Debar. The Albanian violence, made Macedonians to mass flee Nest and left empty villages. Vasil K´nchov in the last decade of the 19th century, visited Macedonia and describes the village of Gorno year 1860 and counted 30 Macedonian families. In 1890 villages Palatica, Korito,Forino and Chajle, was left bare and empty. (V. "News" years. II no. 12, 13th / Vasil Kъnchov, "Makedoniя. Etnografiя and statistics" Chastna pъrva.Narodi c Makedoniя. Arnauts., P. 83-100). Macedonian ethnographer Trifunoski mentions that Katranje villages and Erebino shared the same fate and was left empty. (J. Trifunoski, nest, 39-40).
Nothing more funny then a short FYROM who thinks they are anciant macedonian. Who language is slavic bulgarian, with a made up identity by Tito.
 
Nothing more funny then a short FYROM who thinks they are anciant macedonian. Who language is slavic bulgarian, with a made up identity by Tito.

Where is your source?
Please reply with source or dont reply at all.
 
This post was deleted due to racism.
 
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What are you trying to prove DejaVu? That there are criminals out there? Why thank you captain obvious, its not like this is basic knowledge at all.

Where is your source?
Please reply with source or dont reply at all.

I ate an apple earlier, do you want a source for that too?
 
TO DEJAVU:

It amuses me to see that still are people who say albanians are a created identity, and coming from someone whose identity is being objected and debated worldwide. It has nothing to do with what you are saying, you are talking in this thread about religion and religion has nothing to do with the origins of one group of people.The origins of one people are in their blood and where they are truly related. Of course illyrians dont have nothing to do with islam, because islam was created around the year 600, that was something really useles and not clever to say. If you truly knew something about albanians, not all albanians adere to islam, and you would know they converted into islam during ottoman period, so your post is just hate and bias toward a group of people, without any clear source. About your macedonian books, well of course thats what they're going to say, i havent seen any macedonian say something pro-albanian dont you think?

The albanian language is a separate branch in the indo-european languages.So the only possible origin is from itself.For example italian and spanish derive from latin but albanian can only be derived from proto-albanian. And it is considered today to be a descendant from one of the ancient paleo balkanic languages:
"The Paleo-Balkan languages are the various Indo-European languages that were spoken in the Balkans in ancient times. Except for Greek and the language that developed into Albanian, they are all extinct, due to Hellenization, Romanization, Slavicization and Turkicization."---(Paleo-Balkan languages, wikipedia)

The Albanian language is considered today one of the most ancient languages of the europe. (please see;
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2012/08/24/science/0824-origins.html?src=mv&_r=1&

"What is collectively called Albanian actually comprises two dialects, Gheg and Tosk, thought to have split from a common Albanian stock some 1500 years ago. Respecting their geography, the River Shkumbin serves as a rough latitudinal divide with Gheg to the north and Tosk to the south."---from Lingusitic Research center
http://www.utexas.edu/cola/centers/lrc/general/ie-lg/Albanian.html



That is the thing, it already is considered an ancient paleo-balkan language, even though still is being researched as to who category it belongs.About the ethnicity and identity of the albanians, it has always been differen and special from that of their neighbours, since when they first appear, and there is no doubt about that.Meanwhile the identity of the macedonians is one of the main objected and discussed thing by modern schoolars, not only by greeks, and no real answer has yet been given.It is funny though how someone comes here and says these things about the albanians, meanwhile his ethinity is still being argued worldwide.

What DOES it even have to do the arrest of the albanians whith this thread? Dont you know that everywhere in the world there are people who are arrested for terrorism, including your people, so your post in this thread is irrelevant.If u want to talk about this topic then dont reply with this type of arguments because nobody takes them as something to help the case.If u want to be helpful then write something useful.Your attack towards a specifik group of people is not something that can be useful to the case.:useless:
 
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TO DEJAVU:

It amuses me to see that still are people who say albanians are a created identity, and coming from someone whose identity is being objected and debated worldwide. It has nothing to do with what you are saying, you are talking in this thread about religion and religion has nothing to do with the origins of one group of people.The origins of one people are in their blood and where they are truly related. Of course illyrians dont have nothing to do with islam, because islam was created around the year 600, that was something really useles and not clever to say. If you truly knew something about albanians, not all albanians adere to islam, and you would know they converted into islam during ottoman period, so your post is just hate and bias toward a group of people, without any clear source. About your macedonian books, well of course thats what they're going to say, i havent seen any macedonian say something pro-albanian dont you think?

The albanian language is a separate branch in the indo-european languages.So the only possible origin is from itself.For example italian and spanish derive from latin but albanian can only be derived from proto-albanian. And it is considered today to be a descendant from one of the ancient paleo balkanic languages:
"The Paleo-Balkan languages are the various Indo-European languages that were spoken in the Balkans in ancient times. Except for Greek and the language that developed into Albanian, they are all extinct, due to Hellenization, Romanization, Slavicization and Turkicization."---(Paleo-Balkan languages, wikipedia)

The Albanian language is considered today one of the most ancient languages of the europe. (please see; nytimes. com/i nteractive / 2012/ 08/24/ science/ 0824-origins.html ?src=mv&_r=0)

"What is collectively called Albanian actually comprises two dialects, Gheg and Tosk, thought to have split from a common Albanian stock some 1500 years ago. Respecting their geography, the River Shkumbin serves as a rough latitudinal divide with Gheg to the north and Tosk to the south."---from Lingusitic Research center (utexas. edu/ cola/ centers/lrc/ general/ie-lg /Albanian. html)



That is the thing, it already is considered an ancient paleo-balkan language, even though still is being researched as to who category it belongs.About the ethnicity and identity of the albanians, it has always been differen and special from that of their neighbours, since when they first appear, and there is no doubt about that.Meanwhile the identity of the macedonians is one of the main objected and discussed thing by modern schoolars, not only by greeks, and no real answer has yet been given.It is funny though how someone comes here and says these things about the albanians, meanwhile his ethinity is still being argued worldwide.

What DOES it even have to do the arrest of the albanians whith this thread? Dont you know that everywhere in the world there are people who are arrested for terrorism, including your people, so your post in this thread is irrelevant.If u want to talk about this topic then dont reply with this type of arguments because nobody takes them as something to help the case.If u want to be helpful then write something useful.Your attack towards a specifik group of people is not something that can be useful to the case.:useless:

You have not changed anything with your first post here in this thread.
All statements have sources.
If you cant take it, its your problem.

Do you know what the thread is about?
Illyrian - Albanian continuity and there is none.

 
The albanian language is a separate branch in the indo-european languages.So the only possible origin is from itself.For example italian and spanish derive from latin but albanian can only be derived from proto-albanian. And it is considered today to be a descendant from one of the ancient paleo balkanic languages:
"The Paleo-Balkan languages are the various Indo-European languages that were spoken in the Balkans in ancient times. Except for Greek and the language that developed into Albanian, they are all extinct, due to Hellenization, Romanization, Slavicization and Turkicization."---(Paleo-Balkan languages, wikipedia)

The Albanian language is considered today one of the most ancient languages of the europe. (please see; nytimes. com/i nteractive / 2012/ 08/24/ science/ 0824-origins.html ?src=mv&_r=0)

Ok, but lets try to locate it.

"According to Georgiev, Latin loanwords into Albanian show East Balkan Latin (proto-Romanian) phonetics, rather than West Balkan (Dalmatian) phonetics.[62]Combined with the fact that the Romanian language contains several hundred words similar only to Albanian, Georgiev proposes the Albanian language formed between the 4th and 6th centuries in or near modern-day Romania, which was Dacian territory."

What would be the difference between Dalmatian and Proto-Romanian phonetics (in this context) ?
 
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Modern Albanian language of 5140 keywords:
1420 Romance
540 Slavonic
1180 Turkish
840 Modern Greek
400 IE Etymology
730 Unknown


Where is the authenticity of the Albanian Language, when there is more loanwords than indigenous words?
Answer: Artificial created language.
 
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Is it serious that it only has ~5000 words?
 
Is it serious that it only has ~5000 words?

Of course not. But what can you expect from someone who just related religion with the origins and ethnicity of a group of people, and who asked for an explanation between illyrians and islam.
This is an albanian dictionary who explains the albanian words but in albanian language, it says it has about 40,000 words. i cant post links to this forum cuz i am new, and i never posted before so here it goes: fjalori. shkenca. org. Good enough as a reference?

To dejavu: This is my first day here, so i dont know what references i have posted before, maybe you are confusing me.However the problem is that albanian language has actually been studied, and we have some results, which have lead to the references i posted earlier. You dont know that if a language is classified as a special branch of indo-european that cannot be actually a created one, it has to be derived only by itself. As far as i can read online, there are alot of people who maintain that todays macedonian is in fact the artificial language who was created as a basis by bulgarian, but its not in my interest to enter that discussion, and when u give a definitive answer like u did you should better see all the thoughts of scholars and not talk only as its in your interest.Also i would advise you to read again what the original poster of the thread posted, maybe it will give you a better idea about the formation of proto-albanian

To IKE : Well that is a hyphotesis, however there are other hyphotesis. But before getting to earlier conclusions we must also say "The earliest loanwords attested in Albanian come from Doric Greek, whereas the strongest influence came from Latin. The period during which Proto-Albanian and Latin interacted was protracted and drawn out roughly from the 2nd century BC to the 5th century AD." The are words borrowed from latin who actualy predate christian era, but... "the Illyrians on the territory of modern Albania were the first from the old Balkan populations to be conquered by Romans, at a period before christ"
Jernej Kopitar (1780–1844) was the first to note Latin's influence on Albanian and claimed "the Latin loanwords in the Albanian language had the pronunciation of the time of Emperor Augustus".
 
Ranko Matasović - University of Zagreb - A Grammatical Sketch of Albanian for students of Indo-European
http://mudrac.ffzg.unizg.hr/~rmatasov/Albanian

The modern orthography of Albanian, which will be used here, was adopted in 1908, at the congress of Monastir. It should be noted, however, that older linguistic books, such as Pokorny’s etymological dictionary, still use the antiquated transcription adapted by Gustav Meyer in the nineteenth century. Before that, Albanian used to be written in the so-called Elbasan or Todhri alphabet, which had developed from the cursive Greek alphabet.

Nothing is known about Albanians until the 11th century, when they are mentioned by Byzantine historians. The Albanian language is mentioned for the first time outside Albania, in the Croatian city of Dubrovnik, in the vicinity of which there appears to have been an Albanian community. In 1285, a man named Matthew recorded this sentence in the context of investigation of a robbery: Audivi unam vocem clamantem in monte in lingua Albanesca. Not long after that, Anonymi descriptio Europae Orientalis (1308) states that the Albanian language is not related to any of the neighboring languages, and thus confirms that lingua Albanesca is indeed the predecessor of modern Albanian: Habent enim Albani prefati linguam distinctam a Latinis, Grecis et Sclavis ita quod in nullo se inteligunt cum aliis nationibus.

The earliest documents of the Albanian language stem from the 15th century. Besides a few almost unintelligible lines from the so-called Bellifortis Manuscript from 1405, the first sentence of Albanian we have is the baptism formula from 1462: Unte paghesont premenit Atit e birit et sperit senit “I baptize you in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost”.1It is preserved in a work by Paulus Angelus, the Archbishop of Dyrrachium (Alb. Durrës). From 1483 we have one Albanian sentence in the Renaissance comedy “Epirota” by Tommaso de Mezzo (draburi to clofto goglie = tramburë të kloftë golja “may your mouth tremble (from sickness)!”), and from 1497 the earliest document of Albanian of some length, the glossary by a German traveler Von Harff. Von Harff was an adventurer who wrote a kind of tourist guide in which he collected valuable information about various European languages including Basque, Modern Greek and Albanian. He provided his reader with the native equivalents of such useful phrases as “How much does this cost?”, “What is that”, and “Woman, I want to sleep with you”. There are also a number of Venetian documents from 13th-15th centuries in which sevearal Albanian names are mentioned, as well as a few nouns.

The earliest documents of Albanian literature sensu stricto are from the 16th and 17th century. These are religious works associated with the Counter-Reformation movement, and most of them are in the Gheg dialect. The first Albanian book is Meshari by Gjon Buzuku (1555, preserved in a single copy), and this was soon followed by works of Lekë Matrënga (Catechismo di F. Ledesma tradotto da Luca Matranga, 1592, in Tosk), Pjetër Budi (Catechismo, 1618 and Spiegazioni della messa romana, 1621, Speculum confessionis tradotto dallo Specchio di confessione, 1612), Frang Bardhi (the author of the first Albanian dictionary – Dizionario latino-epirotico,1635), Pjetër Bogdani (Cuneus prophetarum de Christo salvatore mundi, 1685), and Nilo Catalano (Dizionario albanese-italiano e italiano-albanese, 1694). Taken all together, very few books were published in Albanian in the 17th and the early 18th centuries. The first grammar of the language is Osservazioni grammaticali nella lingua albanese, published by Francesco Maria da Lecce in 1716, who also wrote a dictionary (in 1702) of some 13 000 entries.

In Meyer’s Etymological dictionary of Albanian, of 5140 “keywords” 1420 are Romance, 540 Slavonic, 1180 Turkish, 840 Modern Greek, and only 400 have a more or less reliable IE etymology. 730 words have no etymology whatsoever. During the past century, I would say that the number of words with IE etymology has risen, while some of Meyer’s Romance etymologies have been rejected, but the number of loan-words in Albanian is still disproportionately high.
 
In Meyer’s Etymological dictionary of Albanian, of 5140 “keywords” 1420 are Romance, 540 Slavonic, 1180 Turkish, 840 Modern Greek, and only 400 have a more or less reliable IE etymology. 730 words have no etymology whatsoever. During the past century, I would say that the number of words with IE etymology has risen, while some of Meyer’s Romance etymologies have been rejected, but the number of loan-words in Albanian is still disproportionately high.

Well it is a very interesting document about the albanian language for sure, the first part however its just the history.It actually mentioned that albanian might be related to illyrian. Now for this part : of 5140 “keywords”
You see? It says keywords as in the most important words for a language, so how can you know that it didnt had alot more words than that?And the romance words who you called romanian/wallachian are actually roman latin, and everyone knows that latin had the greatest influence on albanian.Now let me take something from this interesting text :

The comparative and historical research of Albanian is also fortunate in that the
Albanian vocabulary is loaded with loan-words from Latin, Greek, and various forms of
South Slavic, some of which are very old.Since we can discover the sound changes
that affected these loan-words, we are often able to reconstruct in great detail the shape
of Proto-Albanian native words.
With what has been said in mind, we adopt the following chronology:
1. Pre-Proto-Albanian (? -1st century B.C.). This is the period before the earliest
contacts of Latin and Albanian.
1. Early Proto-Albanian (1st century B.C. -6th century). This is the period of intensive
borrowing from Latin into Albanian, before the earliest contacts with the Slavs.
2. (Late) Proto-Albanian (6th century - 15th century). This is the period of intensive
contacts of Albanians and Slavs.
3. Early Albanian (15th century - 1800). Roughly, this is the period of the earliest
Albanian writings, as well as the period during which most of the Turkish loan-words
entered the language.
4. (Modern) Albanian (1800 - present).
 
Well it is a very interesting document about the albanian language for sure, the first part however its just the history.It actually mentioned that albanian might be related to illyrian. Now for this part : of 5140 “keywords”
You see? It says keywords as in the most important words for a language, so how can you know that it didnt had alot more words than that?And the romance words who you called romanian/wallachian are actually roman latin, and everyone knows that latin had the greatest influence on albanian.Now let me take something from this interesting text :

The comparative and historical research of Albanian is also fortunate in that the
Albanian vocabulary is loaded with loan-words from Latin, Greek, and various forms of
South Slavic, some of which are very old.Since we can discover the sound changes
that affected these loan-words, we are often able to reconstruct in great detail the shape
of Proto-Albanian native words.
With what has been said in mind, we adopt the following chronology:
1. Pre-Proto-Albanian (? -1st century B.C.). This is the period before the earliest
contacts of Latin and Albanian.
1. Early Proto-Albanian (1st century B.C. -6th century). This is the period of intensive
borrowing from Latin into Albanian, before the earliest contacts with the Slavs.
2. (Late) Proto-Albanian (6th century - 15th century). This is the period of intensive
contacts of Albanians and Slavs.
3. Early Albanian (15th century - 1800). Roughly, this is the period of the earliest
Albanian writings, as well as the period during which most of the Turkish loan-words
entered the language.
4. (Modern) Albanian (1800 - present).


how about a creole language created in army of Maniakis after the Slavic invasions in south Italy?

is that possible?
 
Why are we even continuing with this discussion? I have seen these same arguments being thrown around a thousand times and after pages and pages of debate everyone simply returned to their initial position. Lets just settle on the fact that we are too fanatical and too biased to even see from the other's perspective let alone agree with it whether its true or false.

You might be right you know! I immediatly had the impression that some here are too biased to see from the other's perspective.
 
Well it is a very interesting document about the albanian language for sure, the first part however its just the history.It actually mentioned that albanian might be related to illyrian. Now for this part : of 5140 “keywords”
You see? It says keywords as in the most important words for a language, so how can you know that it didnt had alot more words than that?And the romance words who you called romanian/wallachian are actually roman latin, and everyone knows that latin had the greatest influence on albanian.


It was my mistake, I misinterpreted term keywords.

Now let me take something from this interesting text :

The comparative and historical research of Albanian is also fortunate in that the
Albanian vocabulary is loaded with loan-words from Latin, Greek, and various forms of
South Slavic, some of which are very old.Since we can discover the sound changes
that affected these loan-words, we are often able to reconstruct in great detail the shape
of Proto-Albanian native words.
With what has been said in mind, we adopt the following chronology:
1. Pre-Proto-Albanian (? -1st century B.C.). This is the period before the earliest
contacts of Latin and Albanian.
1. Early Proto-Albanian (1st century B.C. -6th century). This is the period of intensive
borrowing from Latin into Albanian, before the earliest contacts with the Slavs.
2. (Late) Proto-Albanian (6th century - 15th century). This is the period of intensive
contacts of Albanians and Slavs.
3. Early Albanian (15th century - 1800). Roughly, this is the period of the earliest
Albanian writings, as well as the period during which most of the Turkish loan-words
entered the language.
4. (Modern) Albanian (1800 - present).

Yes, but even that doesn't confirm Albanian continuity. It may still be any ancient (Greek) tribe that was assimilated by Romans, and Albanians that came later and adopted their language, while loaning some of their vocabulary to the native Balkan tribe.

Anyways, lets concentrate on early period. Do you have some examples? Is suppose there should be some words that were not used in Latin or Greek from ~6th century, and that exist in similar form in today's Albanian, that would confirm Latin-Albanian-Greek contact?
 
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GUSTAV MAYER

Modern Albanian language of 5140 keywords:
1420 Romance
540 Slavonic
1180 Turkish
840 Modern Greek
400 IE Etymology
730 Unknown


Where is the authenticity of the Albanian Language, when there is more loanwords than indigenous words?
Answer: Artificial created language.
Albanian language has about 7% of its words from Greeks. According to the figure you are posting is 20% so its right here a big lie.
Another 5-7% are of Turkish origin. There have been a campaign of excluding Turkish vocabulary by various governments which has had limited success. So, I would say 5% could be the real number. Slavs have borrowweda lot more from Turks.
As for the Latin words they could be more, they have had the biggest effect in our language,
To make the long story short Albanian language in the present form has 35% of its vocabulary its own, the rest are occupiers imprints.
Latin of Albanian language predates Christ , which means Albanians have been in contact with Latins before Christ. The only recorded country occupied by Latins before Christ were Illyrians. So Albanians must come from Illyrians. Adding here the name place toponims and the word "Illyrian" itself makes perfect sense of Albanian illyrian continuity,
The rest of the jokes our Slav friend are telling here are for entertaining purpose.
 
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Albanian language has about 7% of its words from Greeks. According to the figure you are posting is 20% so its right here a big lie.
Another 5-7% are of Turkish origin. There have been a campaign of excluding Turkish vocabulary by various governments which has had limited success. So, I would say 5% could be the real number. Slavs have borrowweda lot more from Turks.
As for the Latin words they could be more, they have had the biggest effect in our language,
To make the long story short Albanian language in the present form has 35% of its vocabulary its own, the rest are occupiers imprints.
Latin of Albanian language predates Christ , which means Albanians have been in contact with Latins before Christ. The only recorded country occupied by Latins before Christ were Illyrians. So Albanians must come from Illyrians. Adding here the name place toponims and the word "Illyrian" itself makes perfect sense of Albanian illyrian continuity,
The rest of the jokes our Slav friend are telling here are for entertaining purpose.

Without objective science evidence it is myth.

Scholars clearly write Illyrian is Centum, Albanian is Satem.

You can read:

"ancient Illyrians is greatly questionable lacking archeological evidence Albanians beleive in their Illyrian ancestry. The fact that the ancient Illyrian belonged to the centum branch of the Indo-European group of families while modern Albanian belongs to to the satem branch without any linguistic or archeological evidence connecting the two languages is absolutely inconsequential to young Albanians."

http://www.globalaffairsjournal.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Templar.pdf

Markus A. Templar, Journal of Global Change and Governance, Autumn, 2008

...
You must give objective evidence otherwise it is empty talk.
 
Without objective science evidence it is myth.

Scholars clearly write Illyrian is Centum, Albanian is Satem.

You can read:

"ancient Illyrians is greatly questionable lacking archeological evidence Albanians beleive in their Illyrian ancestry. The fact that the ancient Illyrian belonged to the centum branch of the Indo-European group of families while modern Albanian belongs to to the satem branch without any linguistic or archeological evidence connecting the two languages is absolutely inconsequential to young Albanians."

http://www.globalaffairsjournal.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Templar.pdf

Markus A. Templar, Journal of Global Change and Governance, Autumn, 2008

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You must give objective evidence otherwise it is empty talk.
Scientists write there is not a definite agreement that Albanian is satem or centum. Fits perfectly in both.
There are eastern scientists who are politically motivated who are stirring the debate which is perfectly legitimate.
There are not scientists who dispute Illyrian origin of Albanians. ( With the exception of Slav pseudo scientists.)
 
Without objective science evidence it is myth.

Scholars clearly write Illyrian is Centum, Albanian is Satem.

You can read:

"ancient Illyrians is greatly questionable lacking archeological evidence Albanians beleive in their Illyrian ancestry. The fact that the ancient Illyrian belonged to the centum branch of the Indo-European group of families while modern Albanian belongs to to the satem branch without any linguistic or archeological evidence connecting the two languages is absolutely inconsequential to young Albanians."

http://www.globalaffairsjournal.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Templar.pdf

Markus A. Templar, Journal of Global Change and Governance, Autumn, 2008

...
You must give objective evidence otherwise it is empty talk.

There is nothin conclusive regarding centum vs satem, so please try to be more objective.

In the absence of sufficient lexical data and texts written in the Illyrian languages, the theories supporting the Centumcharacter of the Illyrian language have been based mainly on the Centum character of the Venetic language, which was thought to be related to Illyrian, in particular regarding Illyrian toponyms and names such as Vescleves, Acrabanus, Gentius, Clausal etc.[10] The relation between Venetic and Illyrian was later discredited and they are no longer considered closely related.[11]
Scholars supporting the Satem character of the Illyrian languages highlight particular toponyms and personal names such as Asamum, Birzinimum Zanatis etc. in which these scholars claim that there is clear evidence of the Satem character of the Illyrian language. They also point to other toponyms including Osseriates derived from /*eghero/ (lake)[12] or Birziminium from PIE /*bherǵh/[13] or Asamum from PIE /*aḱ-mo/ (sharp).[14][15]


 
So, Centum theory does not really hold watter because it is based only on Venetic for which we are not even sure if it was Illyrian.
 
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