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Then we go to the Albanian language thread and discuss there origin of Albanians or Albanian language , the internet police is right there too to attack us, claim we are spreading pseudo scientific theories, so I guess maybe we should open up threads for almost every identical thread ?
Keep it down now, internet police. Don't derail this thread with your off topic and pseudo scientific theories. This is a J2b2 thread.
There are non-Albanians here who are J2b2 too. Don't spam this thread.
Keep it down now, internet police. Don't derail this thread with your off topic and pseudo scientific theories. This is a J2b2 thread.
There are non-Albanians here who are J2b2 too. Don't spam this thread.
Founder effect my ass. The Western Balkans Slavs need a dominant (than HRV_IA) East Balkanic source to be modelled.
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Nowhere have I used anti-Vlach slurs ever. Saying someone might be Albanized Vlach is not a slur. It's obvious that you are blind just like you claim I insulted people here supposedly. You need to go and check your eyesight. Go buy some glasses.
It's not a Romanian flag but the flag of Chad. Nope. Nowhere did I say had used multiple accounts at the same time. Only used one account at a time. I sent an email to the admin to recover my old account but he never replied. I almost never spent time here. This is the first time I spent the longest time on this forum. Almost nobody knows me here except that I used to be on other forums so I recognize some members from here that used to be there. And I used to be here years ago a little bit. I had one argument with some members here then I left.
Certainly nothing I need to admit here. I'm a very honest person, unlike you and this dude (Hawk) who lie and manipulate. I have nothing to hide. I can admit everything.
Thraco-Illyrian was not my account but some other which had _ under the name Thrako_Illyrian or something like that. I misunderstood what he said. Dardapara was never my account. Never used multiple accounts at the same time.
You need to stop playing internet police. Get a real job. You're nothing but some manipulative loser who accuses others of things they never did.
I would not bother with him, ihype02, it is like talking to a wall. Also thanks for sharing. What I have been saying ever since joining this forum. Most of the pre-Slavic ancestry in Slavs in the Balkans is of Eastern/Central source.
''Baseless'' , ''Pseudoscientific'' , This is exactly what one could say about some of your theories. Just some meaningless insults you keep throwing around. According to this Hawk dude, Anyone who doesn't agree with you peoples opinions or agendas is either some sock or some other banned member. This is hilarious.
What you need to understand is that you're not some kind of authority here. This is what you need to understand.
Some dude who joined in 2021 is going to lecture us about a thread opened years ago which I even remember when it was opened and was even active reading posts even back then until I then left.
So you're saying Thracians migrated to the Western Balkans ? You only used Iron Age samples also. What about , Bronze Age, Trogir samples etc
hrvat22
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Name of this thread is J2b2-L283 (proto-illyrian), but proto-illyrian haplotypes are probably and other haplotypes which existed alongside J2b2-L283. In this sense, discussion can also go in direction of other haplotypes which could be or assumed to be related to the Illyrians or Proto-Illyrians.
As if we have thread about I2a I-S17250 (proto-croatian) and the impossibility of presenting data or debating about R1a branches which are part of the Slavic ie Croatian genetic mix.
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There is absolutely no question about it lmao, he got the Albanian thread on anthrogenica closed as well
Yes. I was a former member here long time ago on some other account. I have nothing to hide. How does that prove I am using multiple accounts at the same time ?
Wow. You are some genius. You found a post in another thread that I made where I said I am a former member here. Damn you are one good detective, congratulations, Sherlock. Good job! It's up to the administrator to decideWhat obsession ? Simply called interest in my ancestors history and origin. Probably know more history about that place than you will ever know in your life. Even this thread is about Albanians and J2b2 and it's clearly an Y-DNA linked to Proto-Albanian.
You're just some dude who tries to make himself seem important and takes cheap shots at others. Keep it up, maybe they will upgrade you to the forum police staff or soon you'll be an administrator Mr.Important.
Your only arguments are based on claiming others are spreading ''pseudo baseless theories'' , ''pseudo scientific comments'' , ''obssessions'' Nothing else. You're by far one of the most annoying members here. if you didn't constantly whine about others not going off topic maybe we wouldn't go as much off topic.
hrvat22
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Vlachs and Albanians should share same Balkan original haplotypes among which is and J2b2 because both of them are originally indigenous Balkan people.
To separate these haplotypes and branches into Albanian and Vlach is very difficult because both of them live in the same area and historical records mention both in the same area.
We could even say that both are actually the same group of people, later additionally mixed with the Slavs.
Wiki
I have dna result for Vlach from Gjenetika Shqiptare
Wanderer
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Yet theres no J-L283 in those regions before roman times. Don't know why people keep thinking J-L283 came through central and northern mainland europe before coming to the balkans. It likely came by sea or the pontic passing through anatolia. Anatolians and pontic people are way more under tested then europeans and also their might be less dig sites in the pontic then in europe.Baden is very interesting because clearly they overlap with Corded Ware, but are clearly G/I2 Neolithic people.
Illyrians/Albanians/Messapics clearly descend from this region though.
They would have steppe dna because they intermingled with steppe peoples that were there that migrated by mainland also. And they might have steppe dna from their ancestors before migrating to europe via the pontic land route south path also.
Well, entertains post is clearly senseless and does not make sense since J2b-L283 has no links to that area. As for Anatolia that is non sense, since J2b-L283 has never been found there.
The oldest J2b-L283 samples are from EBA Cetina culture. Not sure what it is with these repetitive fringe theories circulating here.
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Its not that crazy since kura axes culture was in the pontic and is an extension of the caucus peoples during that time.
As I said its way more under tested. We only know that it just pops up from no where meaning in the balkans as I said likely a ship route into the balkans. But the distance between the balkans through anataolia and the caucus is likely smaller ( if we go by landroutes) Than the route from caucus through Central europe and north eastern europe to the balkans.
Kura axes culture is very close to the balkans.
We have
J2b-L283 in Armenia at 1000BC. At 1000 BC
And kura axes culture encompassed that area.
https://www.researchgate.net/figure...Kura-Araxes-cultural-tradition_fig1_283867750
The presence of J-L283 in former kura axes territory shows its present there but not in central or north eastern europe.
Kura axes is 4000BC - 2000 BC.
Also the oldest J2b-L283 sample is from Georgia at 1800 BC.
No matter how often you repeat this, the oldest J2b-L283 samples are from the Western Balkans. Do you actually read the data???
Also, there is no samples from Georgia but from South Western Russia Balkarskaya.
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Thats georgia caucus area taken over from russia. We know that the indigenous people from that area are native caucausians, not russians.
Calling it russia when we obviously know russians didnt even inhabit that area in 01 AD is disingenuous.
Mistake we have 1000 BC armenia Kura axes decendant and 1950BC cetina Culture.
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Balkar
People of karbadino balkaria
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balkars
The ethnogenesis of the Balkars resulted, in part, from an invasion of Alania during the 11th century, by Kipchak Turks and their Cuman allies. Alania had its capital in Maghas, which some authors locate at Arkhyz, in the mountains currently inhabited by the Karachay-Balkar, while others place it in either what is now modern Ingushetia or North Ossetia.
During the 14th century, Alania was destroyed by Timur. Many of the Alans, Cumans, and Kipchaks migrated westward into Europe. Timur's incursion into the North Caucasus introduced the remainder to Islam.
Most Balkars adopted Islam in the eighteenth century due to contact with the Kumyks,[4] Circassians, Nogais, and Crimean Tatars.[5][6] The Balkars are considered deeply religious. The Sufi Qadiriya order has a strong presence in the region.[6]
In the 19th century, Russia annexed the area during the Russian conquest of the Caucasus. On October 20, 1828 the Battle of Khasauka [ru] took place, in which the Russian troops were under the command of General Georgi Emmanuel. The day after the battle, as Russian troops were approaching the aul of Kart-Dzhurt [ru], the Karachay-Balkar elders met with the Russian leaders and an agreement was reached for the inclusion of the Karachay-Balkar into the Russian Empire
People of karbadino balkaria
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balkars
The ethnogenesis of the Balkars resulted, in part, from an invasion of Alania during the 11th century, by Kipchak Turks and their Cuman allies. Alania had its capital in Maghas, which some authors locate at Arkhyz, in the mountains currently inhabited by the Karachay-Balkar, while others place it in either what is now modern Ingushetia or North Ossetia.
During the 14th century, Alania was destroyed by Timur. Many of the Alans, Cumans, and Kipchaks migrated westward into Europe. Timur's incursion into the North Caucasus introduced the remainder to Islam.
Most Balkars adopted Islam in the eighteenth century due to contact with the Kumyks,[4] Circassians, Nogais, and Crimean Tatars.[5][6] The Balkars are considered deeply religious. The Sufi Qadiriya order has a strong presence in the region.[6]
In the 19th century, Russia annexed the area during the Russian conquest of the Caucasus. On October 20, 1828 the Battle of Khasauka [ru] took place, in which the Russian troops were under the command of General Georgi Emmanuel. The day after the battle, as Russian troops were approaching the aul of Kart-Dzhurt [ru], the Karachay-Balkar elders met with the Russian leaders and an agreement was reached for the inclusion of the Karachay-Balkar into the Russian Empire