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Iron Age samples from Hinxton.

Allright, Schiffels, Haak et al (2016). They are Saxon in a British context, but would they fit the Northern Germans? The first Saxons from the Elbe region had occupied Brittan around 442 CE. Other persons and groups arrived later. Maybe exactly these Hinxton samples would better fit later immigrants from Norway that had presence up to Finland?
 
Yes, Angela. Dodecad World 9 must be the Gedmatch calculator that best fits my particular case. The comparison of 4 populations is surprising ... it almost seems to describe my grandparents ...
World9 4-Ancestors Oracle
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Atlantic_Baltic 41.73
2 Southern 23.35
3 Amerindian 19.32
4 Caucasus_Gedrosia 11.48
5 African 3.30
Finished reading population data. 250 populations found.
9 components mode.
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Least-squares method.
Using 1 population approximation:
1 CLM30 @ 11.135666
2 PUR30 @ 14.176372
3 Brazilian_Dodecad @ 19.835594
4 Colombian @ 19.978254
5 Puerto_Rican @ 21.030418
6 AthabaskHD4 @ 22.808693
7 O_Italian_Dodecad @ 23.451502
8 Tuscan_HGDP @ 23.481766
9 TSI30_Metspalu @ 23.623112
10 Romanians_Behar @ 24.122519
11 C_Italian_Dodecad @ 24.367926
12 Bulgarian_Dodecad @ 24.651161
13 Bulgarians_Yunusbayev @ 25.105938
14 N_Italian_Dodecad @ 25.364521
15 North_Italian_HGDP @ 25.401751
16 Canarias_1000 Genomes @ 26.151405
17 Greek_Dodecad @ 26.594702
18 Murcia_1000 Genomes @ 26.697083
19 Baleares_1000 Genomes @ 27.531527
20 Ashkenazy_Jews @ 27.616383
Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Tuscan_HGDP +50% Colombian @ 3.314758
Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% TSI30_Metspalu +25% Ecuadorian +25% CLM30 @ 1.116600
Using 4 populations approximation:
1 C_Italian_Dodecad + N_Italian_Dodecad + Ecuadorian + CLM30 @ 0.800123
2 O_Italian_Dodecad + N_Italian_Dodecad + Ecuadorian + CLM30 @ 0.899704
3 O_Italian_Dodecad + N_Italian_Dodecad + MEX30 + Colombian @ 0.936565
4 O_Italian_Dodecad + North_Italian_HGDP + MEX30 + Colombian @ 0.949252
5 C_Italian_Dodecad + N_Italian_Dodecad + MEX30 + Colombian @ 0.957507
6 Bedouin_HGDP + Lithuanians + PEL30 + Cantabria_1000 Genomes @ 1.011002
7 O_Italian_Dodecad + North_Italian_HGDP + Ecuadorian + CLM30 @ 1.041013
8 Bedouin_HGDP + Lithuanians + PEL30 + Aragon_1000 Genomes @ 1.064755
9 TSI30_Metspalu + TSI30_Metspalu + Ecuadorian + CLM30 @ 1.116600
10 Mixed_Germanic_Dodecad + French_Basque + Jordanians_Behar + PEL30 @ 1.136127
11 Lithuanian_Dodecad + Bedouin_HGDP + PEL30 + Cantabria_1000 Genomes @ 1.164787
12 C_Italian_Dodecad + North_Italian_HGDP + Ecuadorian + CLM30 @ 1.181723
13 Mixed_Germanic_Dodecad + Jordanians_Behar + PEL30 + Pais_Vasco_1000 Genomes @ 1.188013
14 Greek_Dodecad + Ecuadorian + CLM30 + Baleares_1000 Genomes @ 1.190900
15 Bedouin_HGDP + Lithuanians + PEL30 + Valencia_1000 Genomes @ 1.195273
16 Mixed_Germanic_Dodecad + French_Basque + Palestinian_HGDP + PEL30 @ 1.195397
17 Mixed_Germanic_Dodecad + Palestinian_HGDP + PEL30 + Pais_Vasco_1000 Genomes @ 1.204057
18 Spanish_Dodecad + Bedouin_HGDP + Lithuanians + PEL30 @ 1.204406
19 C_Italian_Dodecad + North_Italian_HGDP + MEX30 + Colombian @ 1.204730
20 French_Dodecad + S_Italian_Dodecad + MEX30 + Colombian @ 1.214636
 
Allright, Schiffels, Haak et al (2016). They are Saxon in a British context, but would they fit the Northern Germans? The first Saxons from the Elbe region had occupied Brittan around 442 CE. Other persons and groups arrived later. Maybe exactly these Hinxton samples would better fit later immigrants from Norway that had presence up to Finland?

I think they likely won't fit any West Germanics or even most Danes and Swedes for that matter - you can try.

I find it more likely that North Germans have additional ancestry that differentiates them from Anglo-Saxons.
 
Yes, Angela. Dodecad World 9 must be the Gedmatch calculator that best fits my particular case. The comparison of 4 populations is surprising ... it almost seems to describe my grandparents ...
World9 4-Ancestors Oracle
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Atlantic_Baltic 41.73
2 Southern 23.35
3 Amerindian 19.32
4 Caucasus_Gedrosia 11.48
5 African 3.30
Finished reading population data. 250 populations found.
9 components mode.
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Least-squares method.
Using 1 population approximation:
1 CLM30 @ 11.135666
2 PUR30 @ 14.176372
3 Brazilian_Dodecad @ 19.835594
4 Colombian @ 19.978254
5 Puerto_Rican @ 21.030418
6 AthabaskHD4 @ 22.808693
7 O_Italian_Dodecad @ 23.451502
8 Tuscan_HGDP @ 23.481766
9 TSI30_Metspalu @ 23.623112
10 Romanians_Behar @ 24.122519
11 C_Italian_Dodecad @ 24.367926
12 Bulgarian_Dodecad @ 24.651161
13 Bulgarians_Yunusbayev @ 25.105938
14 N_Italian_Dodecad @ 25.364521
15 North_Italian_HGDP @ 25.401751
16 Canarias_1000 Genomes @ 26.151405
17 Greek_Dodecad @ 26.594702
18 Murcia_1000 Genomes @ 26.697083
19 Baleares_1000 Genomes @ 27.531527
20 Ashkenazy_Jews @ 27.616383
Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Tuscan_HGDP +50% Colombian @ 3.314758
Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% TSI30_Metspalu +25% Ecuadorian +25% CLM30 @ 1.116600
Using 4 populations approximation:
1 C_Italian_Dodecad + N_Italian_Dodecad + Ecuadorian + CLM30 @ 0.800123
2 O_Italian_Dodecad + N_Italian_Dodecad + Ecuadorian + CLM30 @ 0.899704
3 O_Italian_Dodecad + N_Italian_Dodecad + MEX30 + Colombian @ 0.936565
4 O_Italian_Dodecad + North_Italian_HGDP + MEX30 + Colombian @ 0.949252
5 C_Italian_Dodecad + N_Italian_Dodecad + MEX30 + Colombian @ 0.957507
6 Bedouin_HGDP + Lithuanians + PEL30 + Cantabria_1000 Genomes @ 1.011002
7 O_Italian_Dodecad + North_Italian_HGDP + Ecuadorian + CLM30 @ 1.041013
8 Bedouin_HGDP + Lithuanians + PEL30 + Aragon_1000 Genomes @ 1.064755
9 TSI30_Metspalu + TSI30_Metspalu + Ecuadorian + CLM30 @ 1.116600
10 Mixed_Germanic_Dodecad + French_Basque + Jordanians_Behar + PEL30 @ 1.136127
11 Lithuanian_Dodecad + Bedouin_HGDP + PEL30 + Cantabria_1000 Genomes @ 1.164787
12 C_Italian_Dodecad + North_Italian_HGDP + Ecuadorian + CLM30 @ 1.181723
13 Mixed_Germanic_Dodecad + Jordanians_Behar + PEL30 + Pais_Vasco_1000 Genomes @ 1.188013
14 Greek_Dodecad + Ecuadorian + CLM30 + Baleares_1000 Genomes @ 1.190900
15 Bedouin_HGDP + Lithuanians + PEL30 + Valencia_1000 Genomes @ 1.195273
16 Mixed_Germanic_Dodecad + French_Basque + Palestinian_HGDP + PEL30 @ 1.195397
17 Mixed_Germanic_Dodecad + Palestinian_HGDP + PEL30 + Pais_Vasco_1000 Genomes @ 1.204057
18 Spanish_Dodecad + Bedouin_HGDP + Lithuanians + PEL30 @ 1.204406
19 C_Italian_Dodecad + North_Italian_HGDP + MEX30 + Colombian @ 1.204730
20 French_Dodecad + S_Italian_Dodecad + MEX30 + Colombian @ 1.214636

He always got the closest where Southern Europeans are concerned. Quite impressive. Much better than the junk results from some other calculators. Fwiw, I'm not part of the reference samples since I'm "mixed".
 
It’s my understanding that the Saxons as we know them are a mixed conglomeration of Northern German tribes. How did they compare with the earlier people’s that migrated to the British Isles?
 
The FAQ’s detail there significance as follows:

‘Blue dots link to a clearly defined set of ancient peoples. Red dots refer to ancient samples where identity is difficult to determine based on archaelogical evidence.
Faded dots mean distant connection, brighter dots mean very close DNA distance to you’.

It is difficult to work out whether dots that overlap are faded or not. I’ve also noticed that a blue Saxon 700AD reference appears in all of my premium maps but not in the corresponding archaeological maps.

I’ve also noticed that on some maps, the circle for a given sample (such as Celtic/Viking Iceland 1000AD, for example), is the same size on all of my maps, but is larger on all of my mum’s maps (with two differing sizes being used depending upon the raw data sample).


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I've received this e-mail. It is in regards to the question of why some dots do not show up in the full archaeological map, but they do in the premium; and vise versa.

Thus, you can consider all of the dots you get across your maps together as your results.

Nevertheless, they should probably make one interactive map that you can zoom in on, to look at all of the samples imo. At least for the full map.
 
It’s my understanding that the Saxons as we know them are a mixed conglomeration of Northern German tribes. How did they compare with the earlier people’s that migrated to the British Isles?

Actually a good survey of northern European populations hasn't been done yet. Some amateurs have tried but the results are non-sensical.

Looking at PCA plots my impression is that Fenno-Scandian populations have picked up additional EHG ancestry independent of Corded Ware. In the Sami this is quite obvious. Published models thus aren't detailed enough to discern this however.

As for the these Anglo-Saxons they look very much Scandinavian.
 
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I've received this e-mail. It is in regards to the question of why some dots do not show up in the full archaeological map, but they do in the premium; and vise versa.
Thus, you can consider all of the dots you get across your maps together as your results.
Nevertheless, they should probably make one interactive map that you can zoom in on, to look at all of the samples imo. At least for the full map.

There’s a good chance that the 1600 BC Illyrian :)thinking: Sample 14332) is closely related to the Iapygians. :)

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The North Italian like results make sense to be honest. The Venetic languages for a while were considered Illyrian, until they were discovered to be Italic.

The oldest attested Illyrians (as Illyrians) are the Taulanti, around Durres, Albania. After that its the Enchelea, around lake ohrid. Otherwise Dardanians are attested way earlier than Illyrians, and are generally considered
Illyrian desite being attested before the word Illyrian. All these, are quite south of the Illyrian sample we have, so we should expect that the Dalmatian-Pannonian zone falls in a cline in between Italic Venetic speakers, and Illyrian (proper).



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The North Italian like results make sense to be honest. The Venetic languages for a while were considered Illyrian, until they were discovered to be Italic.

The oldest attested Illyrians (as Illyrians) are the Taulanti, around Durres, Albania. After that its the Enchelea, around lake ohrid. Otherwise Dardanians are attested way earlier than Illyrians, and are generally considered
Illyrian desite being attested before the word Illyrian. All these, are quite south of the Illyrian sample we have, so we should expect that the Dalmatian-Pannonian zone falls in a cline in between Italic Venetic speakers, and Illyrian (proper).

We have a LBA sample from southern Montenegro. No cline, plots right with Spaniards.
 
The Saxons seem to have significant North Germanic and, by extension, 'Finnish' ancestry, so it doesn't surprise me that they wouldn't show a particularly strong affinity to present-day British. I'd think that Orcadians might be an exception.

Would you care to expand on that?
 
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I've received this e-mail. It is in regards to the question of why some dots do not show up in the full archaeological map, but they do in the premium; and vise versa.

Thus, you can consider all of the dots you get across your maps together as your results.

Nevertheless, they should probably make one interactive map that you can zoom in on, to look at all of the samples imo. At least for the full map.

Thank you for taking the time to contact them and clarify the situation. [emoji846]


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It looks like they've made some additions to the website and now I have more sites on my archaeological map.

[h=3]Your closest Archaeogenetic matches...[/h]
1. Pict (670 AD) (4.452) - CL83
2. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (5.104) - CL92
3. Bronze Age Celt England (1000 BC) (5.469) - I5383
4. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (5.941) - SZ15
5. Celtic Briton (0 AD) (6.126) - Hinxton 4
6. Celtic/Viking Iceland (1000 AD) (6.764) - VDP-A6
7. Nordic-Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (6.875) - 6DRIF-18
8. Late Medieval Gotlander (1600 AD) (7.22) - Unknown
9. Anglo Saxon (700 AD) (7.239) - Hinxton HS3
10. Bell Beaker Southern France (2050 BC) (7.539) - I3875
11. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (7.546) - SZ12
12. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (7.637) - CL146
13. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (7.64) - SZ14
14. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (7.847) - CL145
15. Alemannic Bavaria (500 AD) (7.95) - AED_249
16. Briton Gladiator York (250 AD) (8.037) - 6DRIF-23
17. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (8.04) - CL84
18. Alemannic Bavaria (465 AD) (8.084) - NW_255
19. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (8.12) - SZ4
20. Ireland Copper Age (1880 BC) (8.14) - Rathlin2
21. Colonial American Pennsylvania (1700 AD) (8.208) - Shohola
22. Alemannic Bavaria (500 AD) (8.313) - ALH_1
23. Germano-Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (8.569) - 6DRIF-3
24. Vandal Chieftain (375 AD) (8.625) - DA119
25. Viking Sweden (1100 AD) (8.781) - Sigtuna grt035
26. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (8.802) - SZ7
27. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (8.85) - SZ22
28. Celtic Briton (70 BC) (8.853) - Hinxton 1
29. Viking Sweden (1100 AD) (8.935) - Sigtuna stg021
30. Frankish / Hungary (590 AD) (8.941) - SZ23
31. Alemannic Bavaria (500 AD) (9.008) - ALH_10
32. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (9.114) - SZ8
33. Frankish / Hungary (590 AD) (9.485) - SZ38
34. Czech Velke Prilepy (0 AD) (9.594) - Rise577
35. Bell Beaker Germany (2500 BC) (9.62) - I0112
36. Anglo Saxon (700 AD) (9.788) - Hinxton HS1
37. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (9.91) - SZ9
38. Corded Ware Denmark (2450 BC) (9.952) - Rise61
39. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (10.13) - CL93
40. Nordic Lombard / Winnili (590 AD) (10.43) - SZ16
41. Germano-Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (10.6) - 3DRIF-16
42. Celtic / Hungary (590 AD) (10.7) - SZ11
43. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (10.81) - CL151
44. Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (10.82) - 6DRIF-21
45. Unetice Bohemia (1800 BC) (11.2) - Rise150
46. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (11.21) - SZ2
47. Viking Sweden (1100 AD) (11.25) - Sigtuna 84001
48. Alemannic Bavaria (450 AD) (11.32) - BIM_33
49. Ireland Copper Age (1635 BC) (11.33) - Rathlin3
50. Bronze Age Germany (1050 BC) (11.35) - I0099
51. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (11.59) - SZ24
52. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (11.9) - SZ13
53. Bronze Age Netherlands (1775 BC) (11.92) - I4071
54. Early Viking Sweden (500 AD) (12.08) - Rise174 Oxie7
55. Anglo Saxon (700 AD) (12.11) - Hinxton3 HS2
56. Alemannic Bavaria (425 AD) (12.17) - STR_316
57. Bronze Age Jutland Denmark (1400 BC) (12.45) - Rise47
58. Bell Beaker Germany (2250 BC) (12.51) - I0806
59. Ireland Copper Age (1950 BC) (12.78) - Rathlin1
60. Viking Iceland P109 (935 AD) (12.78) - SVK-A1
 
It looks like they've made some additions to the website and now I have more sites on my archaeological map.


Yes it's true. Previously they related the ancient samples that came close to the distance of 20. Now they relate the ancient samples that came close near the distance of 30.
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Here's my updated results, the maps are the same. This is using AncestryDNA raw data.

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These were my original results using the same raw data. Seems like they've extended the list they show users from 20 to 60. Nevertheless, my results are still the same for the Ancient Population, but only marginally different in the Ancient Samples list.
 
I also received some updates on the reference samples, but I stop at the first 40 (I paid only a first level upgrade):

1. Central Roman (590 AD) (6.538)
2. Central Roman (590 AD) (7.299)
3. Central Roman (670 AD) (8.839)
4. Medieval Iberian (670 AD) (8.938)
5. Hellenic Roman (670 AD) (11.0)
6. Gallo-Roman (590 AD) (11.39)
7. Illyrian / Dalmatia (1200 BC) (11.77)
8. Central Roman (590 AD) (12.78)
9. Scythian Moldova (270 BC) (14.48)
10. Medieval Piedmont (670 AD) (15.0)
11. Central Roman / Mixed (590 AD) (15.81)
12. Cisalpine Gaul (590 AD) (16.55)
13. Iberian / Piedmont (670 AD) (16.57)
14. Illyrian / Dalmatia (1600 BC) (16.58)
15. Thracian Bulgaria (450 BC) (16.58)
16. Hellenic Roman (590 AD) (18.63)
17. Medieval Frank (670 AD) (18.91)
18. Medieval Tyrolian (590 AD) (19.21)
19. Mycenaean (1350 BC) (20.74)
20. Frankish-Gaul / Lombardy Italy (670 AD) (21.26)
21. Mycenaean (1350 BC) (21.27)
22. Roman Soldier Germany (300 BC) (21.53)
23. Ostrogoth Crimea (300 AD) (22.03)
24. Medieval Hungary / Balkan (1244 AD) (22.3)
25. Medieval Tyrolian (590 AD) (22.54)
26. Sicily Beaker (2200 BC) (22.55)
27. Medieval Tyrolian (670 AD) (22.58)
28. Gepid / Goth (450 AD) (22.74)
29. Crete Armenoi (1370 BC) (23.37)
30. Hellenic Roman / Dodecanese (670 AD) (23.94)
31. Swiss Germanic (670 AD) (24.15)
32. Hellenic Roman / Calabria (670 AD) (24.69)
33. Hellenic Roman / Cretan (670 AD) (25.34)
34. Bronze Age Armenia (1500 BC) (26.07)
35. Roman Soldier Freiham-Nord Germany (300 BC) (26.33)
36. Frankish / Hungary (590 AD) (26.76)
37. Scythian Moldova (300 BC) (27.1)
38. Hittite Anatolia (1875 BC) (27.61)
39. Gaulic Gladiator York (250 AD) (27.98)
40. Trypillia (3500 BC) (28.47)
 
Another Bulgarian result,ancestry from the Central Balkan Mountain range(no recent migrations), Y-dna R-PF7563. Not very different than other Bulgarians:

Gaul + Hellenic Roman (11.94)
Gaul + Roman (13.37)
Roman (13.77)
Hellenic Roman (17.33)
Gaul (17.62)

Your closest Archaeogenetic matches...


1. Central Roman (590 AD) (13.77)
2. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (14.87)
3. Medieval Tyrolian (590 AD) (16.75)
4. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (17.04)
5. Hellenic Roman (590 AD) (17.33)
6. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (17.62)
7. Central Roman (670 AD) (17.66)
8. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (18.41)
9. Illyrian / Dalmatia (1600 BC) (18.88)
10. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (18.88)
11. Medieval Hungary / Balkan (1244 AD) (19.23)
12. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (19.6)
13. Scythian Moldova (300 BC) (19.62)
14. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (20.3)
15. Gallo-Roman (590 AD) (20.83)
16. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (20.89)
17. Swiss Germanic (670 AD) (21.03)
18. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (22.18)
19. Frankish-Gaul / Lombardy Italy (670 AD) (22.39)
20. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (22.39)

Your closest genetic modern populations...


1. Macedonian (5.896)
2. Greek_Thessaly (7.746)
3. Bulgarian (8.251)
4. Romanian (8.490)
5. [Hidden] - upgrade your account
6. [Hidden] - upgrade your account
7. [Hidden] - upgrade your account
8. [Hidden] - upgrade your account


 

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