Health New Coronavirus in China

bicicleur said:
that is not artificial intelligence
it is a mathematical row
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true.
I just used the term as the artical translated in Greek.
I agree, its simple math row, using a statistic model of distribution, of expand,

the term was τεχνητη νοημοσυνη, (artificial ineligence)

NOTICE
the average statistical death after infected is 1 per 40-50.
data from mainly chinese population,
we do not know yet in other populations.
 
If this novel coronavirus is airborne as some other human coronaviruses or flu, then it is very difficult to contain. WHO say it is not, but how do they know? The right approach would be to say that we don't know at this point, but take the precautions as if it were. Even the Chinese themselves are warning that it might be.

If it is the case, then this outbreak basically has to burn out or stopped by summer weather (of course if this coronavirus is less infectious at warm temperatures). Let's see that kind of evidence we get with time. If it is airbone, then it will travel around the globe sooner of later.

This is an optimistic feature (in line with the official Chinese news making) about a doctor in Wuhan who overcame the coronavirus.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rv1_BVUHZvg

At 1:51 the recovering doctor says that if you've healthy body, you have 70%-80% chances of recovery... which was supposed to be very comforting. But it is the same as saying the 20%-30% will die..., which is far from comforting.
 
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^^Hardly comforting is right.

In Hong Kong two people got the virus who lived in the same apartment building, but they lived on different floors and didn't know one another. They're investigating to see whether it has to do with fecal matter.

A doctor came out and said public restrooms shouldn't be used unless absolutely necessary, and that if one does have to use one, nothing should be touched by the bare hands. He recommended using a paper towel to touch surfaces.

Jesus, my mother taught me that when I was five! What's wrong with people?

""Interestingly, a variable number of people get diarrhoea, which is of interest to me because it looks like this coronavirus has some of the same receptors as SARS, which target cells not only in the lungs but the gastrointestinal tract."SARS spread through faecal matter. We don't know if coronavirus can spread this way as well.
"But in the US, they did isolate it [coronavirus] in poo. Odds on it is most likely it could [spread this way]."
In Australia, patients would be isolated in a single room and with their own toilet, which would not be the case in China where hospitals and medical professionals had been swamped.
Dr Mackay said his understanding was about 20-25 per cent of coronavirus cases in China were considered severe."

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-02...-in-australia-the-different-diseases/11950358
 
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I can't believe this cute little animal might be the bat-to-human intermediary for coronavirus.

https://www.businessinsider.com/what-is-a-pangolin-animal-spread-coronavirus-to-humans-2020-2
 
They always look for an animal to blame, with AIDS the monkey now the bat must be a sequel to the Middle Ages.

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The second case of coronavirus in Spain is a British who was infected in the Alps

The patient is admitted and isolated in the hospital of Son Espases (Palma), although the diagnosis is “very mild


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The National Center for Microbiology (CNM) has confirmed this Sunday morning that a British citizen has tested positive in the Balearic Islands for the Wuhan coronavirus. The man resides in Mallorca with his family and returned on January 29 from a ski trip to the French Alps during which he maintained close contact with a group in which five cases have been diagnosed, all of them British. The patient is admitted and isolated in the hospital of Son Espases (Palma), although the diagnosis is "very mild" and practically "asymptomatic", explained Fernando Simón, director of the Center for Coordination of Alerts and Emergencies (CCAES) of the Ministry of health.

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travel to China: "I lock myself up for responsibility"

https://elpais.com/sociedad/2020/02/06/actualidad/1581007619_535263.html

At least 61 Chinese voluntarily isolate themselves in Spain after visiting their country of origin

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Nan Yong, 49, on his second day of voluntary quarantine at his home in Madrid. On video, in quarantine at his home in Spain because he traveled to China. ATLAS

When Nan Yong landed in Madrid on Wednesday, his relatives were waiting for him with masks and the keys of two cars. In the first, everyone who welcomed him returned after having spent several weeks in Wenzhou (Zhejiang, China). In the other, Nan returned only to the house where he will be locked up for at least two weeks. "It is the only way to prevent a possible infection," says this 49-year-old wholesaler.
 
The Mobile World Congress of Barcelona, canceled by the coronavirus

https://www.elmundo.es/economia/2020/02/12/5e43e92ffc6c83f5098b45f5.html

The Mobile World Congress (MWC) of Barcelona opts for cancellation. The GSMA association, organizer of the appointment, has held an extraordinary meeting of its council on Wednesday, to analyze electronically if the event is held before the wave of cancellations of the last days. The conclusion has been to cancel it.


"With all due respect to a safe and healthy environment in Barcelona and in the host country, today the GSMA has canceled the MWC Barcelona 2020, because the global concern regarding the coronavirus outbreak, the travel problem and other circumstances make it impossible for the GSMA celebrate the event, "the organization has ruled.

The Mobile brings together professionals from all over the world in Barcelona. The expected influx for this edition was counted at 110,000 people, with 5% of participants from China, that is, more than 6,500 people. The epidemic is concentrated in that country today: more than 1,100 people have died there because of the coronavirus and the infections amount to more than 44,000.

The case of the Dutch 'Mobile' that everyone attends despite the coronavirus

https://www.elconfidencial.com/tecn...ronavirus-mobile-suspension-empresas_2450719/

The normal thing in the 'Mobile' of the Dutch capital is said by people like Roberto Quintanilla, owner of the Madrid-based company Kerkin Audiovisuales SL, who attended the event with his partner and with certain reluctance for the coronavirus, but after the first few days being there, now come with disbelief what happens in Barcelona. "Look, there are a lot of Chinese companies here, come on, we work with several, and they are working normally. The organization has put up a series of security measures and some Asian with a mask is seen, but little else," says Quintanilla, in conversation with Teknautas.
 
Dagne said:
It is so cute and it is a victim, too, rather than culprit. HOW COULD anyone want to eat it?!
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It's apparently the most trafficked endangered species.

Some people do eat them, but the scales are considered even more precious. They're used in traditional Chinese medicine. Clothing has also been made from the scales.
"The animal itself is eaten, but a greater danger arises from the belief that the scales have medicinal value. Fresh scales are never used, but dried scales are roasted, ashed, cooked in oil, butter, vinegar, boy's urine, or roasted with earth or oyster-shells, to cure a variety of ills. Amongst these are excessive nervousness and hysterical crying in children, women possessed by devils and ogres, malarial fever and deafness. "

I'll be charitable and just say that imo China isn't quite ready for first world status.

https://www.nature.com/articles/141072b0

The ultimate source is the bat, which is also eaten in some parts of China. The pangolin was the intermediary.

Diseases pass from animals to man. We get malaria from insect bites. We used to get tuberculosis from cows, through the milk.

It seems to me that even if an an animal harbors a bacterium or virus which can be transferred to humans, sanitary practices would get rid of most of the problem. It's all about hygienic practices in handling food, or not eating spoiled food. Look at the scourge of St. Anthony's Fire in the Middle Ages from eating ergot infected grain.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ergot

We've known for decades that the two biggest reasons for modern era longer life expectancy is antibiotics and sanitation of all kinds, in the environment and in food handling.

I don't know when it's going to penetrate into some people's skulls.
 
all papers today, without execption :

'Sharp increase in deaths and cases in Hubei'
while in fact it is because new criteria are used today

it this todays journalism? bringing fake news to draw the attention of possible readers?

at least Wall Street isn't reading the papers any more
 
[FONT=lucida_granderegular]The reported militarization of Wuhan's P4 Lab has raised new questions about the origin of the Covid-19 virus and the apparent cover-up that has occurred since it was first made public.[/FONT]
[FONT=lucida_granderegular]Following the removal of the most senior health officials in Wuhan yesterday, Chinese State Media has just reported that Chen Wei, China's chief biochemical weapon defense expert, is now to be stationed in Wuhan to lead the efforts to overcome the deadly, pneumonia-like pathogen.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopoliti...es-new-questions-about-origin-deadly-covid-19

I don't like too much wild conspiracy theories, but this is a bit too much - how could China remove public health care officials and install instead expert on biochemical weapons !?
One really starts to wonder about the origins of the Covid-19 if it is the biochemical weapons expert who knows best how to deal with the situation, better than doctors...

I hope that scientists may be able to distinguish now or in the future if this virus did originate from bats with intermediaries pangolins or it might have been manufactured. [/FONT]
 
When the CDC starts saying things like this it gets a little worrisome...

https://www.statnews.com/2020/02/12...m_source=twitter&utm_campaign=twitter_organic

"“We’re still going to see new cases. We’re probably going to see human-to-human transmission within the United States,” Dr. Robert Redfield said in an interview with STAT.He added that “at some point in time it is highly probable that we’ll have to transition to mitigation” as a public health strategy, using “social distancing measures” — for example, closure of certain public facilities — and other techniques to try to limit the number of people who become infected.


“We’re not going to be able to seal this virus from coming into this country,” Redfield said. But, he added, “we do gain time by prolonging the containment phase as long as we can, provided that we still believe that’s a useful public health effort.
“That’s where we are right now in the United States.”"

Well, they better freaking TRY HARDER to keep it out of the country.

"If the United States begins to see instances in several parts of the country in which a single case ignites four “generations” of human-to-human infection, Redfield said — meaning a person who contracted the virus infects a person, who infects another person, who then infects another person — then the CDC is likely to conclude containment of the virus has failed.
“Once we get greater than three — so four or more is our view — [generations of] human-to-human transmission in the community … and we see that in multiple areas of the country that are not contiguous, then basically the value of all of the containment strategies that we’ve done now then really become not effective,” he said. “That’s when we’re in full mitigation.”
The CDC director’s remarks came as a group of experts that advises the World Health Organization’s health emergencies program recommended that the world stay the current course of trying to halt spread of the new virus to stop it from becoming a human pathogen."

The idiots then turn around and say this:
"The WHO, which declared the outbreak a public health emergency of international concern on Jan. 30, has urged countries not to restrict travel or trade with China. Later the same day, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo told Americans not to travel to China, raising his department’s travel warning for China to the highest possible level."

How about some cognitive dissonance! Thank God for some hard headed people in government.

"The State Department has ceased issuing visas to foreign nationals who have been in China in the past 14 days. Health officials are also quarantining people arriving in the United States for 14 days if they have set foot in Hubei province; people returning to the U.S. from other parts of China are being asked to self-quarantine for that period, which represents the estimated incubation period of the disease."

Not good enough. Forget the self-quarantine crap.

Oh, some preliminary data says men may be more susceptible. How could that work? Is that just in East Asians or generally. Are there different immune responses ethnically?
Also, when are they going to figure out the fatality rate? Two percent is quite different from 20%. Even at just over 2% the "Spanish flu" killed millions and millions worldwide. Not to mention the overloading of health care centers and the havoc it could create economically.
 
What I find very very disturbing
is that virus went abroad china.
but what about high touristic places?

did you heard about the virus in high chinese tourist concentration?

yet we seen in in US EU etc,

wonder what will happen if move to India, Indochina, Indonesia.
 
Yetos said:
What I find very very disturbing
is that virus went abroad china.
but what about high touristic places?

did you heard about the virus in high chinese tourist concentration?

yet we seen in in US EU etc,

wonder what will happen if move to India, Indochina, Indonesia.
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It will be catastrophic; they don't have the infrastructure to handle it, or, frankly the hygiene systems.

So far, the cases in the west started with people who came into contact with travelers, sometimes businesspeople, from China. That was the case with the German sample. The British man contracted it in Singapore, but again from a Chinese business man. Business people from China went to meetings abroad and westerners became infected and, in turn, infected others.

The case of the cruise ship quarantined off the coast of Japan was indeed tourism. Sixty people are sick and more are falling ill every day. They have to get the healthy passengers and crew off that ship and into individual quarantine. That ship is probably like a petri dish for the virus at this point. It's probably on every surface, if not also in the air vents.

One point about bats: they are particularly dangerous in terms of spreading disease, whether directly or through intermediaries. Usually, bad viruses are limited in their impact because the host also dies. However, bats have an extraordinarily good immune system, and so the pathogens they spread to other creatures don't kill them. That's what happened in this case: the virus doesn't kill them, but it can kill the pangolin presumably, and from them it got to humans, a certain percentage of which do die.

I don't even want to consider that it was weaponized. Then all bets are off. So, let's hope that was fake news.
 
Let's hope this isn't right either.


Studies in China suggest as many as 25% of patients need ICU care, something that could wreak havoc on health systems and cost billions. “There’s always chance #coronavirus can overwhelm health systems in a number of countries, even in countries with good health systems,” -Fauci




















 
From the Wall Street Journal: Harvard public heath profesoor Mac Lipsitch, on coronavirus: “It is likely we’ll see a global pandemic...If a pandemic happens, 40% to 70% of people world-wide are likely to be infected in the coming year.”

From an interview on British television with the Head of Infectious Disease Epidemiology and a disease modeler at Imperial College London, Niall Ferguson, he says that given how easily transmitted the virus is, the figure of infected is perhaps 60%, and that he’s looking at a fatality rate of 1%. That would be a fatality figure of more than 400,000 people in Britain alone.
Extrapolating to the world’s population of 7.8 billion, we would have an estimated 46.8 million deaths.

Please God, the fatality rate is lower. It's not even just the tragic and heart-breaking loss of life, as if that isn't horrific enough; it's that all our countries will be upended in every way possible, including economically.

What makes me really crazy is that while this is going on my politicians in Washington are wasting their time on goddamn stupidity.
 
So, the conspiracy theory about the coronaviruses in Wuhan may have a shred of support.

"“Absolutely nothing about the genome sequence of the virus suggests that the virus was engineered in a lab,” he told The Street. “The genome sequence of the virus indicates that its progenitor was the bat coronavirus RaTG13 or a closely related bat coronavirus.”Because that bat coronavirus and other closely related bat coronaviruses are known to have been present in nature – such as in a cave in Yunnan province – the first human infection could have occurred as an accident of nature, Ebright said.
But he said, it is possible that the virus could have been leaked from a laboratory that was studying a virus, too.
“Because the bat coronavirus RaTG13 and closely related bat coronaviruses also are known to have been present in a lab (in the coronavirus collection at Wuhan Institute of Virology), the first human infection also could have occurred as a lab accident,” he said.



He noted that SARS, though first introduced to humans by nature, was also later reintroduced in a series of lab accidents.
The available data on the origin of human infection with the Wuhan coronavirus – whether from nature or a lab – Ebright said, “are consistent with either” cause."

https://www.thestreet.com/latest-ne...l-baffle-experts-after-wild-week-of-headlines

Great. Just great.
 
Come on, the coronavirus has left V.I.H.
 
What on earth were Holland America Line and the Cambodian president thinking?

They let all but six passengers fly hither and thither and now some are testing positive for the disease. They should all have been quarantined.

Well, I know why Cambodia acted that way...the President is a toady of China's. China has heavily invested in Cambodia.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/16/world/asia/coronavirus-cruise-americans.html
 
^^It was indeed stellar level stupidity.

New data is showing it can be dormant for 40 days before causing symptoms, i.e. no one, including the infected person, knows they're infected, and they can spread it all that time.

Great, a whole group of Americans has been released from quarantine after FOURTEEN days. That has been the protocol world wide.

No wonder people on that ship got infected and some of them have subsequently died. Maybe the "quarantine" was pretty successful. There were just people who hadn't shown any symptoms and were infecting people.


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#Wuhan has expropriated five #cruise ships which can offer 1,469 beds to serve as temporary hotels for medical staff amid the #COVID19 outbreak. As more medical groups from other regions come to support the virus epicenter, the city's hotel occupancy rate is almost at its peak.

That's under the category of just how stupid can people be???


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Via Corriere della Sera: Coronavirus Italia, the infections in Codogno, Castiglione d'Adda and Casalpusterlengo and Padua. Excerpt from the Google translation: The new coronavirus (Covid-19) has...
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NEW: Italian town of Codogno closes schools, bars, eateries, and sporting facilities until at least Sunday after 6 cases of coronavirus were confirmed - ANSA


Finally, a quick and sensible reaction. They should go further and institute delivery of groceries, and tell people to disinfect anything they receive.
 
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