(NEW) GenePlaza K25 and K29 Modern Calculator Results

[alexfritz]

i tried that and always got error cant post links, but wait ill post my myHeritage results and than come back and attach the HarappaWorld to this post that way i score 10 posts;

Population
S-Indian 0.30
Baloch 5.12
Caucasian 20.54
NE-Euro 36.13
SE-Asian -
Siberian 0.41
NE-Asian -
Papuan -
American -
Beringian 0.26
Mediterranean 31.77
SW-Asian 5.39
San -
E-African 0.07
Pygmy -
W-African -

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 italian (hgdp) 8.28
2 romanian-a (behar) 9.33
3 bulgarian (yunusbayev) 10.91
4 french (hgdp) 12.84
5 tuscan (hapmap) 12.98
6 tuscan (hgdp) 13.27
7 tuscan (1000genomes) 13.65
8 hungarian (behar) 14.9
9 spaniard (behar) 14.99
10 spaniard (1000genomes) 16.19
11 slovenian (xing) 16.78
12 utahn-white (1000genomes) 20.02
13 n-european (xing) 20.27
14 utahn-white (hapmap) 21.26
15 british (1000genomes) 21.6
16 ashkenazi (harappa) 22.02
17 orcadian (hgdp) 24.38
18 ashkenazy-jew (behar) 25.11
19 ukranian (yunusbayev) 25.62
20 puerto-rican (1000genomes) 26.38

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 79.5% italian (hgdp) + 20.5% russian (behar) @ 1.13
2 75.7% italian (hgdp) + 24.3% ukranian (yunusbayev) @ 1.18
3 67.2% italian (hgdp) + 32.8% slovenian (xing) @ 1.38
4 79.4% italian (hgdp) + 20.6% belorussian (behar) @ 1.53
5 86.1% italian (hgdp) + 13.9% finnish (1000genomes) @ 1.58
6 64.6% italian (hgdp) + 35.4% hungarian (behar) @ 1.63
7 79.6% italian (hgdp) + 20.4% mordovian (yunusbayev) @ 1.69
8 73.2% bulgarian (yunusbayev) + 26.8% spain-basc (henn2012) @ 1.88
9 59.9% tuscan (1000genomes) + 40.1% n-european (xing) @ 1.91
10 74.3% bulgarian (yunusbayev) + 25.7% basque (hgdp) @ 1.95
11 62% romanian-a (behar) + 38% spaniard (behar) @ 2.06
12 58.1% bulgarian (yunusbayev) + 41.9% spaniard (behar) @ 2.11
13 77.3% romanian-a (behar) + 22.7% basque (hgdp) @ 2.11
14 63.9% romanian-a (behar) + 36.1% spaniard (1000genomes) @ 2.14
15 82.9% italian (hgdp) + 17.1% lithuanian (behar) @ 2.18
16 60% bulgarian (yunusbayev) + 40% spaniard (1000genomes) @ 2.22
17 76.4% romanian-a (behar) + 23.6% spain-basc (henn2012) @ 2.22
18 59.7% tuscan (1000genomes) + 40.3% utahn-white (1000genomes) @ 2.74
19 53.6% tuscan (hapmap) + 46.4% hungarian (behar) @ 3.15
20 61.7% tuscan (1000genomes) + 38.3% british (1000genomes) @ 3.18

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 italian_hgdp @ 9.022897
2 romanian-a_behar @ 10.078921
3 bulgarian_yunusbayev @ 11.891334
4 serbian_harappa @ 12.475864
5 french_hgdp @ 14.239817
6 tuscan_hapmap @ 14.387376
7 tuscan_hgdp @ 14.705892
8 tuscan_1000genomes @ 15.136446
9 spaniard_behar @ 16.306904
10 hungarian_behar @ 16.333267
11 spaniard_1000genomes @ 17.622684
12 slovenian_xing @ 18.381569
13 utahn-white_1000genomes @ 22.253532
14 n-european_xing @ 22.497053
15 utahn-white_hapmap @ 23.620619
16 british_1000genomes @ 24.015690
17 ashkenazi_harappa @ 24.265978
18 orcadian_hgdp @ 27.117268
19 puerto-rican_1000genomes @ 27.401154
20 ashkenazy-jew_behar @ 27.679901

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% bulgarian_yunusbayev +50% spaniard_behar @ 3.190874


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% italian_hgdp +25% italian_hgdp +25% ukranian_yunusbayev @ 1.280868


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 russian_behar + spaniard_1000genomes + tuscan_hapmap + tuscan_hapmap @ 1.161949
2 belorussian_behar + spaniard_1000genomes + tuscan_1000genomes + tuscan_1000genomes @ 1.167004
3 belorussian_behar + spaniard_behar + tuscan_1000genomes + tuscan_1000genomes @ 1.168195
4 belorussian_behar + italian_hgdp + italian_hgdp + tuscan_hapmap @ 1.174021
5 russian_behar + spaniard_1000genomes + tuscan_1000genomes + tuscan_hapmap @ 1.184567
6 bulgarian_yunusbayev + lithuanian_behar + sardinian_hgdp + tuscan_1000genomes @ 1.191311
7 russian_behar + spaniard_1000genomes + tuscan_hapmap + tuscan_hgdp @ 1.196080
8 belorussian_behar + spaniard_behar + tuscan_1000genomes + tuscan_hgdp @ 1.201921
9 belorussian_behar + spaniard_behar + tuscan_1000genomes + tuscan_hapmap @ 1.209949
10 belorussian_behar + spaniard_1000genomes + tuscan_1000genomes + tuscan_hgdp @ 1.237162
11 russian_behar + spaniard_1000genomes + tuscan_hgdp + tuscan_hgdp @ 1.251822
12 belorussian_behar + italian_hgdp + italian_hgdp + tuscan_hgdp @ 1.252378
13 bulgarian_yunusbayev + lithuanian_behar + sardinian_hgdp + tuscan_hgdp @ 1.253245
14 russian_behar + spaniard_1000genomes + tuscan_1000genomes + tuscan_hgdp @ 1.254913
15 russian_behar + spaniard_behar + tuscan_hapmap + tuscan_hapmap @ 1.268701
16 belorussian_behar + spaniard_1000genomes + tuscan_1000genomes + tuscan_hapmap @ 1.279325
17 belorussian_behar + sardinian_hgdp + serbian_harappa + tuscan_1000genomes @ 1.280536
18 italian_hgdp + italian_hgdp + italian_hgdp + ukranian_yunusbayev @ 1.280868
19 belorussian_behar + spaniard_behar + tuscan_hgdp + tuscan_hgdp @ 1.282191
20 russian_behar + spaniard_behar + tuscan_hapmap + tuscan_hgdp @ 1.287117

 

[Angela]

i dont, no the maternal side is all from the po valley
i very much like kurds k25 i think it is very accurate but also DNA.Land has also a good break down/up of south european ancestry ?maybe the most detailed? when i find the thread ill post my result (FTDNA b36_autos) there;

Pardon my surprise, but I've never seen even people 100% from Emilia-Romagna score any Sicilian whatsoever, not unless their ancestors moved there from the south. I have ancestry from there, as well as from eastern Liguria and northwestern Toscana, and I have yet to get a close share with anyone south of Rome. On the gedmatch calculators, my similarity to Sicilians and Southern Italians is usually around 22, sometimes a dozen places after people from the Balkans, Iberia, and even Greece.

This is just further proof that this calculator is really off in my opinion.

As for mixed German/Italian people, the only ones whose results I've seen are half-southern Italian/Sicilian and half German, and predictably they come out as Northern Italian for a first population on almost every single calculator.

 

[davef]

i can not, it reads error and that i must have at least 10posts to post a link ??? when i reach the ten ill post them i can also post the V2K15 and the TolanPCA (is there a specific thread to post it?); i cant find the DNA.Land thread either so ill figure out what i can post; paternal side is all south germany main-tauber area and nürnberg-hersbruck area with earliest known ancestor of direct paternal line niederstetten 16th century, a town in its vicinity three places with a 'windisch(<sorbs)' toponym prob explains the M458+;

you're only 1 post away

 

[Pax Augusta]

i tried that and always got error cant post links, but wait ill post my myHeritage results and than come back and attach the HarappaWorld to this post that way i score 10 posts;

But you can copy and paste your results, it's not needed to post a pic. And as Davef said, you're only 1 post away.

Anyway, from where in the Po Valley are your maternal ancestors from?

 

[alexfritz]

Pardon my surprise, but I've never seen even people 100% from Emilia-Romagna score any Sicilian whatsoever, not unless their ancestors moved there from the south. I have ancestry from there, as well as from eastern Liguria and northwestern Toscana, and I have yet to get a close share with anyone south of Rome. On the gedmatch calculators, my similarity to Sicilians and Southern Italians is usually around 22, sometimes a dozen places after people from the Balkans, Iberia, and even Greece.

This is just further proof that this calculator is really off in my opinion.

As for mixed German/Italian people, the only ones whose results I've seen are half-southern Italian/Sicilian and half German, and predictably they come out as Northern Italian for a first population on almost every single calculator.

kurd had an elaborate explanation about sardinian-sicilian in anthrogenica #533 its shut-down and maybe kingjohn or dibran remember it better but it was mostly about shared drift with sardinians/EEF(orig pop) and why he decided to remove them; there is def a strong south-european/mediteranean pull in my blood and from academic data there is a known/strong sardinian affinity in the po valley (neolithic based) reckoning maybe its that but i dont know; this is what i get by TolanK36 and V2K15/TolanPCA so there is def something to it to what you say, ill wait the update than im smarter;
https://i.imgur.com/m5bW8yK.png
https://i.imgur.com/sBsixpd.png / https://i.imgur.com/WQkwmKO.png

on GEDmatch i am pretty sure its just the autosomes[22] not sure if the others than also use the x-chr got diff results when i upload it concatenated to gencove will post that too;

@PaxAugusta
not sure what the area is called but its parabiago/castellanza mostly rural but also many factories;

 

[Pax Augusta]

i tried that and always got error cant post links, but wait ill post my myHeritage results and than come back and attach the HarappaWorld to this post that way i score 10 posts;

Population
S-Indian 0.30
Baloch 5.12
Caucasian 20.54
NE-Euro 36.13
SE-Asian -
Siberian 0.41
NE-Asian -
Papuan -
American -
Beringian 0.26
Mediterranean 31.77
SW-Asian 5.39
San -
E-African 0.07
Pygmy -
W-African -

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 italian (hgdp) 8.28
2 romanian-a (behar) 9.33
3 bulgarian (yunusbayev) 10.91
4 french (hgdp) 12.84
5 tuscan (hapmap) 12.98
6 tuscan (hgdp) 13.27
7 tuscan (1000genomes) 13.65
8 hungarian (behar) 14.9
9 spaniard (behar) 14.99
10 spaniard (1000genomes) 16.19
11 slovenian (xing) 16.78
12 utahn-white (1000genomes) 20.02
13 n-european (xing) 20.27
14 utahn-white (hapmap) 21.26
15 british (1000genomes) 21.6
16 ashkenazi (harappa) 22.02
17 orcadian (hgdp) 24.38
18 ashkenazy-jew (behar) 25.11
19 ukranian (yunusbayev) 25.62
20 puerto-rican (1000genomes) 26.38

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 79.5% italian (hgdp) + 20.5% russian (behar) @ 1.13
2 75.7% italian (hgdp) + 24.3% ukranian (yunusbayev) @ 1.18
3 67.2% italian (hgdp) + 32.8% slovenian (xing) @ 1.38
4 79.4% italian (hgdp) + 20.6% belorussian (behar) @ 1.53
5 86.1% italian (hgdp) + 13.9% finnish (1000genomes) @ 1.58
6 64.6% italian (hgdp) + 35.4% hungarian (behar) @ 1.63
7 79.6% italian (hgdp) + 20.4% mordovian (yunusbayev) @ 1.69
8 73.2% bulgarian (yunusbayev) + 26.8% spain-basc (henn2012) @ 1.88
9 59.9% tuscan (1000genomes) + 40.1% n-european (xing) @ 1.91
10 74.3% bulgarian (yunusbayev) + 25.7% basque (hgdp) @ 1.95
11 62% romanian-a (behar) + 38% spaniard (behar) @ 2.06
12 58.1% bulgarian (yunusbayev) + 41.9% spaniard (behar) @ 2.11
13 77.3% romanian-a (behar) + 22.7% basque (hgdp) @ 2.11
14 63.9% romanian-a (behar) + 36.1% spaniard (1000genomes) @ 2.14
15 82.9% italian (hgdp) + 17.1% lithuanian (behar) @ 2.18
16 60% bulgarian (yunusbayev) + 40% spaniard (1000genomes) @ 2.22
17 76.4% romanian-a (behar) + 23.6% spain-basc (henn2012) @ 2.22
18 59.7% tuscan (1000genomes) + 40.3% utahn-white (1000genomes) @ 2.74
19 53.6% tuscan (hapmap) + 46.4% hungarian (behar) @ 3.15
20 61.7% tuscan (1000genomes) + 38.3% british (1000genomes) @ 3.18

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 italian_hgdp @ 9.022897
2 romanian-a_behar @ 10.078921
3 bulgarian_yunusbayev @ 11.891334
4 serbian_harappa @ 12.475864
5 french_hgdp @ 14.239817
6 tuscan_hapmap @ 14.387376
7 tuscan_hgdp @ 14.705892
8 tuscan_1000genomes @ 15.136446
9 spaniard_behar @ 16.306904
10 hungarian_behar @ 16.333267
11 spaniard_1000genomes @ 17.622684
12 slovenian_xing @ 18.381569
13 utahn-white_1000genomes @ 22.253532
14 n-european_xing @ 22.497053
15 utahn-white_hapmap @ 23.620619
16 british_1000genomes @ 24.015690
17 ashkenazi_harappa @ 24.265978
18 orcadian_hgdp @ 27.117268
19 puerto-rican_1000genomes @ 27.401154
20 ashkenazy-jew_behar @ 27.679901

Thanks for sharing. There are fully northern Italians with somewhat similar results to yours in northern eastern Italy. Interestingly your German part doesn't show, and if you're half southern German, your Italian side seems to be more southern-shifted than Tuscans who are central Italian.

@PaxAugusta
not sure what the area is called but its parabiago/castellanza mostly rural but also many factories;

Parabiago and Castellanza are in Lombardy and not really in the Po Valley (especially Castellanza). Assuming your 50% German is not an outlier for southern Germany, Lombards are never more southern in this way than Italian (HGDP). Italian_hgdp is based on Italian_Bergamo and it's a sample from Lombardy. I have seen more than 50 results of people from Lombardy. On Harappa Lombards on average have 29/30/31% of NE component, I have a friend from near Castellanza who scores 32% of NE, and you have 36% NE. There are many Piedmontese and Venetians who score 36%. Of course I'm speaking of fully northern Italians, there was a huge migration in Lombardy and other parts of north Italy of people from southern Italy in the last 120 years.

 

[Angela]

kurd had an elaborate explanation about sardinian-sicilian in anthrogenica #533 its shut-down and maybe kingjohn or dibran remember it better but it was mostly about shared drift with sardinians/EEF(orig pop) and why he decided to remove them; there is def a strong south-european/mediteranean pull in my blood and from academic data there is a known/strong sardinian affinity in the po valley (neolithic based) reckoning maybe its that but i dont know; this is what i get by TolanK36 and V2K15/TolanPCA so there is def something to it to what you say, ill wait the update than im smarter;
https://i.imgur.com/m5bW8yK.png
https://i.imgur.com/sBsixpd.png / https://i.imgur.com/WQkwmKO.png

on GEDmatch i am pretty sure its just the autosomes[22] not sure if the others than also use the x-chr got diff results when i upload it concatenated to gencove will post that too;

@PaxAugusta
not sure what the area is called but its parabiago/castellanza mostly rural but also many factories;

That's Lombardia, Alex, north of Milan, near Varese. It's not the Po Valley. If you come out as Northern Italian on gedmatch calculators, of course you have Southern European ancestry, and you have Neolithic EEF ancestry, obviously, but then, of course, so do Germans. However, while I don't want you to feel beleaguered at all, what I'm saying is that if you're half German (unless you're half German Swiss maybe) and you come out as Northern Italian on gedmatch calculators, then your other half (if it's all from Italy) is not native Lombard or Emilian or anything else Northern Italian, not even Romagnolo from the mouth of the Po. In that case, if half of your ancestry is Italian, it's southern Italian/Sicilian, or at least Central Italian.

My husband's family also had no fixed idea as to where their roots were in Italy. Perhaps you might want to talk with your family. A lot of central and southern Italians moved to Milano to work in the factories starting in the late 19th century, a lot of them right around Milano. That may be what happened here.

I've seen hundreds of results from Italians and mixed Italians and it's impossible for a northern Lombard/German mix to still come out Northern Italian. Such a person would probably come out northern French perhaps. On some calculators, Lombards come out as plus 30% northeastern European. I have, however, seen a lot of German/Southern Italian-Sicilian mixes who plot in northern Italy.

You also seem to have a lot of eastern European. Is your German half from eastern Germany, or maybe it's ethnic German Slovak or something?

 

[davef]

kurd had an elaborate explanation about sardinian-sicilian in anthrogenica #533 its shut-down and maybe kingjohn or dibran remember it better but it was mostly about shared drift with sardinians/EEF(orig pop) and why he decided to remove them; there is def a strong south-european/mediteranean pull in my blood and from academic data there is a known/strong sardinian affinity in the po valley (neolithic based) reckoning maybe its that but i dont know; this is what i get by TolanK36 and V2K15/TolanPCA so there is def something to it to what you say, ill wait the update than im smarter;
https://i.imgur.com/m5bW8yK.png
https://i.imgur.com/sBsixpd.png / https://i.imgur.com/WQkwmKO.png

on GEDmatch i am pretty sure its just the autosomes[22] not sure if the others than also use the x-chr got diff results when i upload it concatenated to gencove will post that too;

@PaxAugusta
not sure what the area is called but its parabiago/castellanza mostly rural but also many factories;

your third image is really blurry

 

[alexfritz]

That's Lombardia, Alex, north of Milan, near Varese. It's not the Po Valley. If you come out as Northern Italian on gedmatch calculator, of course you have Southern European ancestry, and you have Neolithic EEF ancestry, obviously, but then, of course, so do Germans. However, while I don't want you to feel beleaguered at all, what I'm saying is that if you're half German and you come out as Northern Italian on gedmatch calculators, then your other half (if it's all from Italy) is not native Lombard or Emilian or anything else Northern Italian, not even Romagnolo from the mouth of the Po, or Tuscan, or Marchigiano. In that case, if half of your ancestry is Italian, it's southern Italian/Sicilian.

My husband's family also had no fixed idea as to where their roots were in Italy. Perhaps you might want to talk with your family. A lot of southern Italians moved to Milano to work in the factories starting in the late 19th century. That may be what happened here.

I've seen hundreds of results from Italians and mixed Italians and it's impossible for a northern Italian/German mix to still come out Northern Italian. Such a person would probably come out northern French perhaps. I have, however, seen a lot of German/Southern Italian-Sicilian mixes who plot in northern Italy.

it could be;
i have been told that from gedmatch oracle-4 the V2K15 is precise but not sure how much and that there is a gradient in in this calc and another one (i think puntDNAL/but forgot) that has a defining gradient between east-med and west-med with north italians always scoring higher west-med than east-med and central italians already 50/50 in those proportions; but since its a topic and to check where do you or pax augusta plot by the TolanPCA(<V2K15EuTest) ? in fiorito et al also sazini et al the lombardia (cremona/bergamo) do score the most sardinian type admixture and kurd did mention sardinia-sicilian is shared drift to sardinia;

i know it is lombardia but it also has a special name, here i disagree it is po valley i have been there of course a lot and it is flat;

@davef
you have to magnify it in addition, it looks sharp from what i am seeing; the second pic (before /) has the coordinates if your interested;

@Pax Augusta
could all be the case though comparing the spreadsheet tuscans/n-european i dont think im that off in NE-Euro or Mediterranean and the oracle does give me a lot of HGDP_Bergamo + N/NE at good distances

4 79.4% italian (hgdp) + 20.6% belorussian (behar) @ 1.53
9 59.9% tuscan (1000genomes) + 40.1% n-european (xing) @ 1.91
15 82.9% italian (hgdp) + 17.1% lithuanian (behar) @ 2.18

but i dont know that is just how i puzzled it together, maybe angela has had the better explanation

 

[Pax Augusta]

@Pax Augusta
could all be the case though comparing the spreadsheet tuscans/n-european i dont think im that off in NE-Euro or Mediterranean and the oracle does give me a lot of HGDP_Bergamo + N/NE at good distances

4 79.4% italian (hgdp) + 20.6% belorussian (behar) @ 1.53
9 59.9% tuscan (1000genomes) + 40.1% n-european (xing) @ 1.91
15 82.9% italian (hgdp) + 17.1% lithuanian (behar) @ 2.18

but i dont know that is just how i puzzled it together, maybe angela has had the better explanation

Have you the results of a southern German to use as a benchmark? Your father? Consider also that many Tuscans are themselves a bit more nothern than tuscan (1000genomes)/tuscan (hapmap)/tuscan (hgdp), and italian (hgdp) is a sample from Lombardy. Does 50% Southern German equal 20.6% belorussian or 17.1% lithuanian?

Here are the results of some persons who are fully Lombard from areas of Lombardy very close to Parabiago and Castellanza. Compare these results with yours. I really hope I can help you.

1)

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Mediterranean 35.45
2 NE-Euro 32.26
3 Caucasian 18.62
4 SW-Asian 7.39
5 Baloch 4.69
6 Siberian 0.52
7 Papuan 0.35
8 SE-Asian 0.29
9 W-African 0.17
10 Beringian 0.16
11 E-African 0.04
12 San 0.04
13 S-Indian 0.01

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 italian (hgdp) 4.92
2 spaniard (behar) 11.07
3 tuscan (hapmap) 11.55
4 tuscan (hgdp) 12.02
5 spaniard (1000genomes) 12.05
6 tuscan (1000genomes) 12.51
7 french (hgdp) 13.59
8 romanian-a (behar) 13.8
9 bulgarian (yunusbayev) 15.1
10 hungarian (behar) 19.4
11 slovenian (xing) 21.35
12 ashkenazi (harappa) 21.72
13 utahn-white (1000genomes) 22.2
14 n-european (xing) 23.04
15 british (1000genomes) 23.45
16 puerto-rican (1000genomes) 23.61
17 utahn-white (hapmap) 23.77
18 ashkenazy-jew (behar) 24.31
19 spain-basc (henn2012) 26.02
20 orcadian (hgdp) 26.29

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 55.8% spaniard (1000genomes) + 44.2% bulgarian (yunusbayev) @ 2.4
2 92.9% italian (hgdp) + 7.1% finnish (1000genomes) @ 2.67
3 85% italian (hgdp) + 15% n-european (xing) @ 2.84
4 90.7% italian (hgdp) + 9.3% russian (hgdp) @ 2.91
5 85.6% italian (hgdp) + 14.4% utahn-white (hapmap) @ 2.93
6 91.5% italian (hgdp) + 8.5% lithuanian (behar) @ 2.94
7 84.9% italian (hgdp) + 15.1% utahn-white (1000genomes) @ 3.01
8 87% italian (hgdp) + 13% orcadian (hgdp) @ 3.02
9 53.6% spaniard (1000genomes) + 46.4% romanian-a (behar) @ 3.04
10 85.8% italian (hgdp) + 14.2% british (1000genomes) @ 3.07
11 90.2% italian (hgdp) + 9.8% belorussian (behar) @ 3.08
12 90.4% italian (hgdp) + 9.6% mordovian (yunusbayev) @ 3.12
13 88.8% italian (hgdp) + 11.2% ukranian (yunusbayev) @ 3.14
14 83.5% italian (hgdp) + 16.5% hungarian (behar) @ 3.15
15 84.8% italian (hgdp) + 15.2% slovenian (xing) @ 3.15
16 77.8% italian (hgdp) + 22.2% french (hgdp) @ 3.17
17 90.8% italian (hgdp) + 9.2% russian (behar) @ 3.28
18 91.4% italian (hgdp) + 8.6% chuvash (behar) @ 3.45
19 52.2% tuscan (1000genomes) + 47.8% french (hgdp) @ 3.5
20 69.3% french (hgdp) + 30.7% sephardic-jew (behar) @ 3.86


2)

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Mediterranean 36.8
2 NE-Euro 32.29
3 Caucasian 21.13
4 Baloch 4.66
5 SW-Asian 4.45
6 American 0.24
7 S-Indian 0.19
8 NE-Asian 0.18
9 Pygmy 0.04
10 SE-Asian 0.02

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 italian (hgdp) 3.25
2 tuscan (hapmap) 10.6
3 tuscan (hgdp) 11.17
4 spaniard (behar) 11.53
5 tuscan (1000genomes) 11.76
6 spaniard (1000genomes) 12.66
7 romanian-a (behar) 13.96
8 french (hgdp) 14.33
9 bulgarian (yunusbayev) 14.97
10 hungarian (behar) 20.18
11 ashkenazi (harappa) 22
12 slovenian (xing) 22.15
13 utahn-white (1000genomes) 23.06
14 n-european (xing) 23.98
15 british (1000genomes) 24.32
16 puerto-rican (1000genomes) 24.58
17 ashkenazy-jew (behar) 24.66
18 utahn-white (hapmap) 24.68
19 spain-basc (henn2012) 26.06
20 orcadian (hgdp) 27.25

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 89% italian (hgdp) + 11% n-european (xing) @ 1.37
2 93.7% italian (hgdp) + 6.3% lithuanian (behar) @ 1.39
3 88.9% italian (hgdp) + 11.1% utahn-white (1000genomes) @ 1.51
4 92.7% italian (hgdp) + 7.3% belorussian (behar) @ 1.51
5 89.6% italian (hgdp) + 10.4% british (1000genomes) @ 1.6
6 87.7% italian (hgdp) + 12.3% hungarian (behar) @ 1.64
7 88.7% italian (hgdp) + 11.3% slovenian (xing) @ 1.65
8 90.7% italian (hgdp) + 9.3% orcadian (hgdp) @ 1.65
9 93% italian (hgdp) + 7% russian (behar) @ 1.67
10 91.7% italian (hgdp) + 8.3% ukranian (yunusbayev) @ 1.67
11 95.3% italian (hgdp) + 4.7% finnish (1000genomes) @ 1.7
12 83.7% italian (hgdp) + 16.3% french (hgdp) @ 1.71
13 93.3% italian (hgdp) + 6.7% mordovian (yunusbayev) @ 1.89
14 95.3% italian (hgdp) + 4.7% chuvash (behar) @ 2.61
15 91% italian (hgdp) + 9% romanian-a (behar) @ 2.96
16 90.5% italian (hgdp) + 9.5% spaniard (behar) @ 3.04
17 93.2% italian (hgdp) + 6.8% bulgarian (yunusbayev) @ 3.07
18 58% tuscan (hapmap) + 42% french (hgdp) @ 3.08
19 92.8% italian (hgdp) + 7.2% spaniard (1000genomes) @ 3.11
20 96.6% italian (hgdp) + 3.4% spain-basc (henn2012) @ 3.12

3)

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Mediterranean 35.11
2 NE-Euro 33.05
3 Caucasian 19
4 SW-Asian 8.7
5 Baloch 3.4
6 Siberian 0.51
7 E-African 0.16
8 Pygmy 0.07

Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 italian (hgdp) 5.98
2 tuscan (hapmap) 11.95
3 spaniard (behar) 12.1
4 tuscan (hgdp) 12.36
5 tuscan (1000genomes) 12.77
6 spaniard (1000genomes) 12.99
7 romanian-a (behar) 13.63
8 french (hgdp) 14.2
9 bulgarian (yunusbayev) 14.82
10 hungarian (behar) 19.24
11 slovenian (xing) 21.09
12 ashkenazi (harappa) 21.53
13 utahn-white (1000genomes) 22.5
14 n-european (xing) 23.15
15 british (1000genomes) 23.81
16 utahn-white (hapmap) 23.97
17 ashkenazy-jew (behar) 24.23
18 puerto-rican (1000genomes) 24.35
19 orcadian (hgdp) 26.62
20 spain-basc (henn2012) 26.92

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 91.8% italian (hgdp) + 8.2% finnish (1000genomes) @ 3.54
2 53.6% spaniard (1000genomes) + 46.4% bulgarian (yunusbayev) @ 3.85
3 89.7% italian (hgdp) + 10.3% russian (hgdp) @ 4.04
4 90.6% italian (hgdp) + 9.4% lithuanian (behar) @ 4.05
5 89% italian (hgdp) + 11% belorussian (behar) @ 4.1
6 87.4% italian (hgdp) + 12.6% ukranian (yunusbayev) @ 4.18
7 83% italian (hgdp) + 17% slovenian (xing) @ 4.22
8 89.5% italian (hgdp) + 10.5% russian (behar) @ 4.24
9 89.5% italian (hgdp) + 10.5% mordovian (yunusbayev) @ 4.27
10 81.8% italian (hgdp) + 18.2% hungarian (behar) @ 4.29
11 84.6% italian (hgdp) + 15.4% n-european (xing) @ 4.31
12 51.3% spaniard (1000genomes) + 48.7% romanian-a (behar) @ 4.39
13 85.1% italian (hgdp) + 14.9% utahn-white (1000genomes) @ 4.57
14 87.4% italian (hgdp) + 12.6% orcadian (hgdp) @ 4.63
15 86.2% italian (hgdp) + 13.8% british (1000genomes) @ 4.66
16 91% italian (hgdp) + 9% chuvash (behar) @ 4.68
17 78.8% italian (hgdp) + 21.2% french (hgdp) @ 4.76
18 53.1% tuscan (1000genomes) + 46.9% french (hgdp) @ 4.88
19 68.7% french (hgdp) + 31.3% sephardic-jew (behar) @ 5.03
20 68.1% french (hgdp) + 31.9% morocco-jew (behar) @ 5.06


And here the results of a North Eastern Italian, very similar to yours.

4)

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NE-Euro 36.08
2 Mediterranean 31.79
3 Caucasian 18.58
4 Baloch 8.21
5 SW-Asian 4.57
6 S-Indian 0.37
7 Papuan 0.28
8 E-African 0.13

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 italian (hgdp) 9.2
2 romanian-a (behar) 10.46
3 french (hgdp) 10.96
4 bulgarian (yunusbayev) 12.44
5 spaniard (behar) 14.04
6 tuscan (hapmap) 14.23
7 hungarian (behar) 14.25
8 tuscan (hgdp) 14.54
9 tuscan (1000genomes) 14.99
10 spaniard (1000genomes) 15.32
11 slovenian (xing) 16.32
12 utahn-white (1000genomes) 18.25
13 n-european (xing) 18.83
14 utahn-white (hapmap) 19.63
15 british (1000genomes) 19.72
16 orcadian (hgdp) 22.47
17 ashkenazi (harappa) 23.39
18 ukranian (yunusbayev) 25.19
19 puerto-rican (1000genomes) 25.77
20 ashkenazy-jew (behar) 26.26

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 54.9% tuscan (1000genomes) + 45.1% utahn-white (1000genomes) @ 0.77
2 60% tuscan (1000genomes) + 40% orcadian (hgdp) @ 0.91
3 56.8% tuscan (1000genomes) + 43.2% british (1000genomes) @ 1.14
4 57% tuscan (hapmap) + 43% n-european (xing) @ 1.2
5 83.2% french (hgdp) + 16.8% druze (hgdp) @ 1.21
6 55.7% tuscan (1000genomes) + 44.3% n-european (xing) @ 1.51
7 73.2% romanian-a (behar) + 26.8% spain-basc (henn2012) @ 1.94
8 79.6% french (hgdp) + 20.4% cypriot (behar) @ 1.94
9 74.4% romanian-a (behar) + 25.6% basque (hgdp) @ 2.07
10 82.4% french (hgdp) + 17.6% armenian (behar) @ 2.11
11 68.4% french (hgdp) + 31.6% ashkenazi (harappa) @ 2.12
12 82.5% french (hgdp) + 17.5% georgia-jew (behar) @ 2.3
13 82.2% french (hgdp) + 17.8% lebanese-druze (haber) @ 2.33
14 82.8% french (hgdp) + 17.2% azerbaijan-jew (behar) @ 2.33
15 61.3% italian (hgdp) + 38.7% hungarian (behar) @ 2.39
16 82.3% french (hgdp) + 17.7% lebanese-christian (haber) @ 2.52
17 57.7% romanian-a (behar) + 42.3% spaniard (behar) @ 2.58
18 79.3% french (hgdp) + 20.7% turk-kayseri (hodoglugil) @ 2.66
19 71.1% french (hgdp) + 28.9% ashkenazy-jew (behar) @ 2.66
20 79.7% french (hgdp) + 20.3% turk (behar) @ 2.66

 

[alexfritz]

Have you the results of a southern German to use as a benchmark? Your father? Consider also that many Tuscans are themselves a bit more nothern than tuscan (1000genomes)/tuscan (hapmap)/tuscan (hgdp), and italian (hgdp) is a sample from Lombardy. Does 50% Southern German equal 20.6% belorussian or 17.1% lithuanian?

Here are the results of some persons who are fully Lombard from areas of Lombardy very close to Parabiago and Castellanza. Compare these results with yours. I really hope I can help you.

as i said i dont really have a clue on the dynamics (oracle) and how to look at it (oracle) so yes those results are very helpful so thank you very much; in V2K15 4popapprox i get consistent 20/20 two pairs norwegian/west_norwegian is that normal for south germany? i seriously do not know; concerning the K25 specifically i liked it a lot now with the update and no sardinians will be interesting;

 

[Angela]

I guess we misunderstood each other. Where your ancestors lived is between Milano and Varese, yes? That’s what we call the alta pianura. It’s very different from what I thought you meant, which is the heart of the Po farmlands, found from eastern Piemonte and going all the way further east through Emilia Romagna.

Maybe you can see it better here, see how the topography changes...

In the province of Varese, a very well to do area, as I’m sure you know, there are flat areas, but there are also areas like this:

By way of contrast, this is the what I thought you meant by the Po Valley:

This is outside of Parma:

Now, that's what I call flat.

I assure you the climate is infinitely better in Varese than in the lowlands outside of Parma. The "low" Pianura Padana is very fertile, it makes Emilia Romagna prosperous, but it doesn't bring a nice climate with it.

I don’t want to beat this to death, but on 23andme I saw Northern Lombards with scores of 30-40% Northern European. Add to that one parent who is 100% Northern European. I don’t see how their offspring could still wind up Bergamo like, but maybe I'm missing something.

 

[alexfritz]

I guess we misunderstood each other. Where your ancestors lived is between Milano and Varese, yes? That’s what we call the alta pianura. It’s very different from what I thought you meant, which is the heart of the Po farmlands, found from eastern Piemonte and going all the way further east through Emilia Romagna.

Maybe you can see it better here, see how the topography changes...

In the province of Varese, a very well to do area, as I’m sure you know, there are flat areas, but there are also areas like this:

By way of contrast, this is the what I thought you meant by the Po Valley:

This is outside of Parma:

Now, that's what I call flat.

I assure you the climate is infinitely better in Varese than in the lowlands outside of Parma. The "low" Pianura Padana is very fertile, it makes Emilia Romagna prosperous, but it doesn't bring a nice climate with it.

I don’t want to beat this to death, but on 23andme I saw Northern Lombards with scores of 30-40% Northern European. Add to that one parent who is 100% Northern European. I don’t see how their offspring could still wind up Bergamo like, but maybe I'm missing something.

not just where they lived, they are still there my maternal muschpoke; cousins their kids, uncles, aunts and things of that nature; varese is towards the lakes and hills but i know that you can look at those hills/mountainous in the distant horizon meaning from the flat you see them in the distant, never been to varese itself it is all more milano orientated work and trains, football clubs; never tested with 23andme so i can not determine with that test, waiting for kurds update than i can also explain what i am seeing but might be dead wrong;

 

[davef]

Here's a less blurry version, just to make it easier for everyone, click to expand

View attachment 9517

 

[davef]

Ok what's the sacred formula that only the wisest of wizardly sages possess which grants thee thy power to posteth thy image on this site?

 

[srdceleva]

Ok what's the sacred formula that only the wisest of wizardly sages possess which grants thee thy power to posteth thy image on this site?

Best option is to use a website like imgbb. Upload ur image then go to embedded codes underneath the pic after uoaded. Copy the link with full image link. Then post it into the test. Make sure is BB and not html.

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[kingdavid]

don't know what happen to the update of the k25 to k29
not a sign at all in geneplazza
didn't answer me
and i hope kurd knows whats going on with it ....

 

[mwauthy]

no k29 update yet; my k25 results
FTDNA[b37_concatenated]

NORTHERN EUROPEAN 44.5%
- Northwestern European 28.5%
- Scandinavian 16.0%
SOUTHERN EUROPEAN 44.3%
- Sardinian-Sicilian 27.0%
- Greek-Albanian 17.3%
- Southwest European 0.0%
EASTERN EUROPEAN 8.7%
- Western Slavic 8.7%
- Eastern Slavic 0.0%
- Southern Slavic 0.0%
- Baltic 0.0%
WEST ASIA 2.5%
- South West Asian 2.5%
- Caucasian 0.0%
SIBERIAN & AMERINDIAN 0.0%
C/SC/S ASIA 0.0%
E/SE ASIA & OCEANIA 0.0%
AFRICAN 0.0%

i.imgur.com/os1TBGm.png

If you don’t mind me asking could you post your FTDNA 2.0 scores? My theory is that the West and Central Europe category has a lot of EEF in it and that a lot of Southwestern or South Central scores on other calculators gets assigned to West and Central Europe.

 

[mwauthy]

Mom (French Canadian)

Myheritage: Iberian 36.1%
Italian 8.5%

Ancestry: Iberian: 32%
Italian: 15%

DNA Land: Southwestern: 30%
South/Central: 2.5%
Mediterranean Islander: 10%

Ftdna 2.0: West and Central: 99%

These are my moms scores to prove my earlier point. I think the West and Central Europe category on FTdna 2.0 might be based on the French HGDP samples that came from various areas of France similar to how French Canadians are a mix of various French locations. On Gedmatch she also gets 98% French HGDP for Harappa World mixed matching Oracle.

 

[davef]

Best option is to use a website like imgbb. Upload ur image then go to embedded codes underneath the pic after uoaded. Copy the link with full image link. Then post it into the test. Make sure is BB and not html.

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Alright! thanks!! Just upvoted you!